Some Clarity in Financial Reform - easy to understand

RightField

Literotica Guru
Joined
Jun 30, 2003
Posts
9,356
Mort Zuckerman: Congress Had a Role in the Financial Crisis
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman - Newsweek
Posted April 30, 2010

Corn and hogs in the Midwest seem a long way from condos in Florida. There is, in fact, a direct link and it's one worth contemplating in light of the pursuit of Goldman Sachs by Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Derivatives—the new bad word—used to be called "futures." They've existed since the Civil War, invented basically to protect farmers, traders, and merchandisers from ruin when they could not sell a crop to cover their costs because a bumper harvest created a glut, or, conversely, to protect buyers when a bad harvest led to price inflation. Hence the creation of contracts with third parties who agreed to buy or sell at a certain price, whatever the future might bring. This stabilized the market and freed farmers from looking around for a buyer in what might be a frantic market.

The original futures markets in commodities functioned virtually without incident throughout our recent roller-coaster financial crisis. Put simply, this was largely because the markets had evolved a guarantee system following periodic defaults on futures deals by one party or another. Middlemen stepped in to assume that risk for a price, provided the parties posted collateral. In this way, clearinghouses minimized both the risks and the interconnections brought about by derivatives transactions.

In the evolution of these necessary instruments furthering stable trade, financial traders came to bid on the value of the paper guarantees: Bid offers went up if the risks seemed high, and down if they seemed safe.

We have come a long way from the original trading in futures contracts for corn and hogs, first standardized in Chicago in 1865. A huge market also emerged in mortgage bonds. Today the new derivatives account for trillions of dollars in face amounts, and were a significant factor in the financial panic that swept the world in 2008.

These are mortgage-backed securities fundamentally transacted between "shorts" and "longs." The "shorts" judge that the price of the security will go down, so they promise to buy it at some price lower than current. If they judge wrongly—if it goes up, or goes down more than they assumed—they suffer, since they have to deliver the security at a loss. The "longs" judge that mortgage bonds will strengthen in price, so they stand to earn more for the security than they paid. A perfect illustration is the now-famous case involving Goldman Sachs and a buyer and seller. One was betting that the housing market would collapse, another that it would continue to rise.

Synthetic CDOs (collateralized debt obligations), of which we have heard a lot, are really instruments for betting on the housing market; their value is linked to a series of mortgage bonds. Again, if the price of those bonds declines, one set of investors will win, whereas if the mortgage bonds strengthen, the other side wins. This is the way in which a player bets on the success or failure of other people's investments—a financial version of high-stakes poker.

These securities also reduce the costs of the loans that lubricate our economy. They make them more affordable and available by enabling lenders to offload risks to other investors with steadier nerves—in short, to hedge their bets.

When the U.S. housing market collapsed, so too did the value of investments in residential mortgage-based securities, especially those tied to subprime mortgages of borrowers who could not meet their payments.

Not so long ago, these mortgage-based securities were viewed as among the safest investments in the market. Before the housing bubble burst, the overwhelming view of investors, rating agencies, and economists was that the housing market was strong and would continue to strengthen. Average housing prices rose by double-digit percentages in every year from 2002 to 2006. Investment-grade, mortgage-backed securities between 2005 and 2007 were considered almost as safe as U.S. Treasury securities but paid a higher interest rate. Defaults on these investment-grade securities, most of which were rated AAA, were virtually nonexistent.

There was enormous global demand for these products. Experts estimated that for every $1 invested in going "short"—anticipating a decline in the market—other investors were willing to put up $5 in anticipation of growth. Many sophisticated and educated investors were eager to bet that the value of mortgage-based securities would continue to increase. They were gambling on the solidity of the bonds that actually owned mortgages. But after the crash, virtually every mortgage investment created in 2006 and 2007 got crushed.

The markets in the fancier new derivatives didn't have the instruments that the original futures markets for corn and hogs had developed with the clearinghouses. They didn't have rules for transparency. The original clearinghouses compiled and released data on volume and prices so investors could see, with some degree of clarity, what was happening by watching trades over time, or by comparing related instruments, like oil and gas futures.

What we have learned from the financial crisis is that we not only had institutions that became too big to fail, but also some that became too interconnected to fail. Today, roughly 90 percent of over-the-counter trading in derivatives is between two financial entities, including banks, finance companies, pension plans, insurers, and hedge funds. The danger is the domino effect—that one entity's failure can mean a run on the other, which is interconnected through their derivatives. This poses difficult decisions for public officials.

What we now need is to greatly reduce the risks of a domino effect (and a government bailout) by imposing standards for over-the-counter derivatives so they can be cleared by central clearinghouses.

But we also need to understand how the housing market got as hot as it did. Why did it keep rising, generating more and more derivatives geared to a rising market? It turns out that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Administration had financed a lot more subprime and Alt-A (alternative documentation) loans than anyone realized, mostly as a result of congressional mandates. Indeed, of their total outstanding mortgage portfolios of $10.6 trillion, roughly half turned out to be of low quality. Had this been known, it would have been clear that the American public's capacity to assume this amount of housing debt was at great risk.

That is at the heart of the now-famous Goldman-Paulson saga. Hedge fund manager John Paulson judged that the housing market was a bubble, so he shorted the securities through Goldman Sachs and an insurer called ACA, which sold the package to a German bank. The buyers judged that it was safe to count on housing prices continuing to rise. They chose which mortgage securities would be bundled by Goldman. And they have paid a heavy price for their judgment.

The American public has hereby had a peek into the bewildering complexities of the world of finance. The natural instinct is for the public to blame the housing decline on those who shorted. But it is the other way around. They should be blaming those who let the market get pumped up, inviting a dramatic and painful correction that took most people by surprise.

This is one thing that must be reformed. Derivatives should be on exchanges and, to a large degree, in standard contracts, so they would be more fully disclosed and transparent. Companies that rate these securities should be given stronger incentives to provide independent and accurate analyses—and remove the suspicion that high ratings can be bought. Lenders that bundle loans secured by mortgages or other financial assets for Wall Street to sell should be made to have a stake in the performance of such loans. As it is, they offload every risky penny onto other investors.

Many of the reforms touched on here are included in the financial overhaul bill moving through Congress. There could have been a sensible and constructive review, especially now that the Republicans seem to have given up their unhelpful negativism. The problem is that the Obama administration is eager to blame the economic decline on a bunch of "fat-cat," "greedy bankers" from Wall Street who were bailed out by the government. The president himself stated to the bankers, "You guys caused the problem." They did not. These particular problems were caused by the bubble in the housing market created in large part by Congress. Democrats who seek to cast Wall Street as the villain forget the congressional mandate they placed on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to put 55 percent of their funding into mortgages for people at or below the median income. This SEC civil fraud charge against Goldman conveniently fits into their political agenda.

As the administration tries to assess blame for the economic decline, let's not forget the role of Congress and the acceptance by members of millions of dollars a year in lobbyist contributions to support Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Had the housing market soared for a couple of more years, as many believed it would, Goldman and Paulson could have lost billions. But in this case, their purchase virtually coincided with the housing collapse. Within five months after the securities were sold, 83 percent of the bonds in the packaged securities were downgraded by rating agencies. The plunge in prices brought a fortune to those who sold them short and great losses to those who bought them long. The investors acted, in both cases, in what they judged would be best for their interests.

The oversimplification of these issues in hostile congressional hearings is a disservice to the public.
 
Last edited:
This is the clearest description I've read. In the course of political discourse though. Most of the reform being contemplated is aimed at salving emotions rather than solving the real underlying challenges. Like it says in the article, they're punishing/scapegoating the people who were using legal means to mitigate the risk rather than finding the root cause of the problem and dealing with it (Congress and their zeal to ensure anyone who wanted a loan could get it even if they couldn't pay it back).
 
Complete and total distractionary nonsense published by someone who is either an idiot that regurgitates what he is told or some asshole who goes with the flow.

"Congress Had a Role in the Financial Crisis"

PERHAPS THEY DID? DO YOU THINK SO? DO THE MANY BRIBES the banking cartel gave them constitute a "role"?

This man is a fucking liar. I mean he is seriously, a fucking Christ-less lying piece of shit. You cannot scrape the shit out of the mouth of this dirty little motherfucker.

I don't want to demean atheists or Buddhists or anyone else when I call this guy Christ-Less. I use that word deliberately, to emphasize what an amoral prostitute this piece of shit is.

He is regurgitating Chicago-school economic bullshit, which when you actually study it is nothing but propaganda in favor of the rich ruling class. Chicago-school so-called "Libertarian" economics is just a means to shaft the middle class, the working class, everyone else. It's class rape, naked thievery. Its proponents should be arrested, tried for treason, and shot.

Make no mistake. The media lies. All the time. And nowhere do they lie more than about the economy.
 
First, Mort Zuckerman is rather famously a democrat, so put any thoughts of "partisan hack" aside. If you look at his political donations below, you'll see he's donated to democrats for many years and has donated nothing at all to Republicans. He's the owner and editor in chief of US News and World Report - another left-leaning newsmagazine.

Wikipedia: Mortimer Benjamin "Mort" Zuckerman (born June 4, 1937)[1] is a Canadian-born American magazine editor, publisher, and real estate billionaire. He is a naturalized citizen of the United States.

In 2008, Zuckerman was the 147th wealthiest American,[2] and in 2007, he was the 188th[3] as per Forbes. In 2006, he was ranked 382.[4] The increase was related to the sale in 2007 of 5 Times Square and 280 Park Avenue in New York, which together realized US$2.5 billion for his company, Boston Properties, Inc.[5]

He has been the publisher/owner of the New York Daily News since 1993 and, as of 2007, is the current Editor-in-Chief of U.S. News & World Report. He co-founded Boston Properties, Inc. in 1970. He is chairman of the board, and director.

[edit] Early life and education
Zuckerman graduated from McGill with a B.A. in 1957 and an BCL in 1961, although he never took a bar exam.[4] That same year, Zuckerman entered the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, where he earned an M.B.A. and distinction of honor. He received an LL.M. from Harvard Law School in 1962.

[edit] Career
After graduating, Zuckerman remained at Harvard Business School as an associate professor for nine years. He also taught at Yale University. He spent seven years at the real estate firm Cabot, Cabot & Forbes, where he rose to the position of Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.[7]

In 1980, he purchased the literary magazine The Atlantic Monthly, where he was Chairman from 1980 to 1999. In 1999 he sold the magazine to David G. Bradley for US$12 million. Commenting on this sale and that of Fast Company magazine, which he sold for $365 million at the height of the tech boom in 2000, he quipped, "I averaged out."[4]

While he still owned Atlantic Monthly, in 1984, Mortimer Zuckerman bought U.S. News & World Report, where he remains its Editor-in-Chief.

[edit] Political commentator
In addition to his publishing and real-estate interests, Zuckerman is also a frequent commentator on world affairs, both as an editorialist and on television. He regularly appears on MSNBC and The McLaughlin Group, and writes columns for U.S. News & World Report and the New York Daily News.

Since the late 1970s, Zuckerman has donated more than $68,000 to American political candidates, with $42,700 going to Democratic politicians and $24,000 to independent interests.[8]

I think he provides a thoughtful and insightful narrative

The economics of this is simple. The problem lies in the political machinations by liberals trying to make sure that anyone could own a house whether they could afford it or not. The financial system response was simple and clear and within the boundaries of financial transactions conducted since 1865. I think the democratic politicians that are responsible for this mess are engaging in ruthless scapegoating and distraction to steer the emnity of the masses away from themselves in the hopes of not being voted out in November. Up until this week, I thought that their underhanded manuevers were working for them, but seeing this article makes me think that good sense and sanier intellects might be holding their own and there's hope that the dems won't take over the entire economy through subterfuge. I hope we can vote them out in November, they really are screwing all of us.
 
First, Mort Zuckerman is rather famously a democrat, so put any thoughts of "partisan hack" aside. If you look at his political donations below, you'll see he's donated to democrats for many years and has donated nothing at all to Republicans. He's the owner and editor in chief of US News and World Report - another left-leaning newsmagazine.



I think he provides a thoughtful and insightful narrative

The economics of this is simple. The problem lies in the political machinations by liberals trying to make sure that anyone could own a house whether they could afford it or not. The financial system response was simple and clear and within the boundaries of financial transactions conducted since 1865. I think the democratic politicians that are responsible for this mess are engaging in ruthless scapegoating and distraction to steer the emnity of the masses away from themselves in the hopes of not being voted out in November. Up until this week, I thought that their underhanded manuevers were working for them, but seeing this article makes me think that good sense and sanier intellects might be holding their own and there's hope that the dems won't take over the entire economy through subterfuge. I hope we can vote them out in November, they really are screwing all of us.

So you're saying Bush was a liberal? Because he made home ownership a priority of his presidency.
 
When they lie about the economy I doubt very seriously it's from the point of view of a Chicago School economist. Where did you manage to develop such a perverted economic outlook?

So you believe what a pack of assholes whose very livelihood depends upon creating a bunch of believable bullshit to thieve off?

You actually think any of these people are honest? That they play fair? Do you sincerely think that is how the world works?
 
So you're saying Bush was a liberal? Because he made home ownership a priority of his presidency.

The world is not your neat little "Democrat" vs. "Republican" paid for fantasy, you intellectual nitwit.
 
The world is not your neat little "Democrat" vs. "Republican" paid for fantasy, you intellectual nitwit.

Do you have a reading comprehension issue you psychotic nutjob?

I'm not saying it was either one or the other party, I'm saying it was both and not just "liberal" policies.

Try reading the actual post next time.
 
So you're saying Bush was a liberal? Because he made home ownership a priority of his presidency.

I don't know that you'd find any president come out as ANTI-home ownership, right? But Bush was on record as not a big fan of how Fannie and Freddie operated:

2004:

" * February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)


* February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)


* April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an "artificial issue." At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said "people tend to pay their mortgages. I don't think we are in any remote danger here. This focus on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren't there." ("Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue," American Banker, 4/21/04)


* June: Then-Treasury Deputy Secretary Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and calls for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)
"

2007:

" * August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)


* August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)


* December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)
"

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html
 
Do you have a reading comprehension issue you psychotic nutjob?

I'm not saying it was either one or the other party, I'm saying it was both and not just "liberal" policies.

Try reading the actual post next time.

What is the actual intellectual content of this post because I've read it and I see nothing.
 
I don't know that you'd find any president come out as ANTI-home ownership, right? But Bush was on record as not a big fan of how Fannie and Freddie operated:

2004:

" * February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)


* February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)


* April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an "artificial issue." At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said "people tend to pay their mortgages. I don't think we are in any remote danger here. This focus on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren't there." ("Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue," American Banker, 4/21/04)


* June: Then-Treasury Deputy Secretary Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and calls for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)
"

2007:

" * August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)


* August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)


* December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)
"

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html

Your argument is highly flawed. Of course no president is going to be anti-home ownership. But that isn't what I said.

Bush was highly pro-home ownership and made it a priority for his presidency and he did so before the bubble began. Bush not only advocated that anyone who wanted to own a home should have a chance to get one, he specifically targeted minorities as needing help and put in place programs to help them.
 
What is the actual intellectual content of this post because I've read it and I see nothing.

I guess you're just a fucking moron then.

Go back to the 9/11 truthers and zionist conspiracy bullshit you like to spew.
 
Your argument is highly flawed. Of course no president is going to be anti-home ownership. But that isn't what I said.

Bush was highly pro-home ownership and made it a priority for his presidency and he did so before the bubble began. Bush not only advocated that anyone who wanted to own a home should have a chance to get one, he specifically targeted minorities as needing help and put in place programs to help them.

Well, sure, with things like the American Dream program. Here, for those who forgot about it:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/affordablehousing/programs/home/addi/

But this type of program was not responsible for the $10T in bad loans. That wasn't Bush's idea.
 
Has anyone got an accurate figure for how many bad mortgages we're talking about, their value in dollars? I don't mean the CDOs, CDSs and all the other mathematics PhD stuff that went on in betting on them, I mean the mortgages themselves.
 
I believe in free market economics, as the most effective method in advancing individual economic freedom, while creating a system where no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit. To the extent that government interventionism interferes with this exchange our freedom is diminished.

Then you are complicit to rape and murder.

The crony capitalist imperial system entrenched in American power centers does just that. We send hundreds of thousands of young men into the heart of Asia to drive around and shoot or die at whoever only ONLY for the benefit of defense contractors.

War does not profit the young man who has had his body or mind wrecked, only to come home and have every bureaucratic piece of shit aligned against him, so that he cannot be healed.

So shut the fuck up about "capitalism." That bullshit lie has been run into the ground and no one believes you.

You are complicit with murder and thieving. That sounds harsh, but if you think about it, you really think about it late at night alone, in bed, you will realize this is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
Has anyone got an accurate figure for how many bad mortgages we're talking about, their value in dollars? I don't mean the CDOs, CDSs and all the other mathematics PhD stuff that went on in betting on them, I mean the mortgages themselves.

In the US, the numbers are always changing of course, but a snapshot in time earlier this year showed:

"And here's the latest report from Lender Processing Services out of Jacksonville, Fla.: Delinquency rates have hit historic highs. More than 7.4 million home loans nationwide are in some stage of delinquency or foreclosure, with another 1 million properties either bank-owned or sold out of foreclosure. An incredible 10% of all U.S. loans are delinquent."

I haven't seen anybody try to total up the face value of delinquent mortgages at a particular moment in time, but the average face value is circa $200,000, which would mean we have about $1.5T of mortgages in trouble, and another $200B in foreclosed properties.

The interesting part of this is that the value of the underlyin homes is at least 50% of this, and probably quite a bit higher, so the total amount of money lost is only in the few $hundred billions, which seems like a lot, but it's only $1000/person or 10% of the budget. But it had the effect of wiping out the capital reserves of most of the big banks, and of course the mortgage giants, so it had a magnified impact by reducing credit through the economy as a whole.
 
Then you are complicit to rape and murder.

The crony capitalist imperial system entrenched in American power centers does just that. We send hundreds of thousands of young men into the heart of Asia to drive around and shoot or die at whoever only ONLY for the benefit of defense contractors.

War does not profit the young man who has had his body or mind wrecked, only to come home and have every bureaucratic piece of shit aligned against him, so that he cannot be healed.

So shut the fuck up about "capitalism." That bullshit lie has been run into the ground and no one believes you.

You are complicit with murder and thieving. That sounds harsh, but if you think about it, you really think about it late at night alone, in bed, you will realize this is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

If only we had been communist, we could have killed tens of millions right in America, following in the footsteps of Stalin or Mao.

Think of the savings in travel costs alone.
 
Well, sure, with things like the American Dream program. Here, for those who forgot about it:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/affordablehousing/programs/home/addi/

But this type of program was not responsible for the $10T in bad loans. That wasn't Bush's idea.

The original point that I made was that increasing home ownership (especially for minorities) was a priority of the Bush administration and not just the "machinations of liberals" as the thread starter stated.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here with regards to my posts.
 
In the US, the numbers are always changing of course, but a snapshot in time earlier this year showed:

"And here's the latest report from Lender Processing Services out of Jacksonville, Fla.: Delinquency rates have hit historic highs. More than 7.4 million home loans nationwide are in some stage of delinquency or foreclosure, with another 1 million properties either bank-owned or sold out of foreclosure. An incredible 10% of all U.S. loans are delinquent."

I haven't seen anybody try to total up the face value of delinquent mortgages at a particular moment in time, but the average face value is circa $200,000, which would mean we have about $1.5T of mortgages in trouble, and another $200B in foreclosed properties.

The interesting part of this is that the value of the underlyin homes is at least 50% of this, and probably quite a bit higher, so the total amount of money lost is only in the few $hundred billions, which seems like a lot, but it's only $1000/person or 10% of the budget. But it had the effect of wiping out the capital reserves of most of the big banks, and of course the mortgage giants, so it had a magnified impact by reducing credit through the economy as a whole.

And I wonder how many fewer there would be if it wasn't for the crash and mass layoffs.
 
The original point that I made was that increasing home ownership (especially for minorities) was a priority of the Bush administration and not just the "machinations of liberals" as the thread starter stated.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here with regards to my posts.

You included Bush among those who wanted to encourage home ownership among those who were not able to afford it, with your justification that he wanted to encourage home ownership in general, and among minorities.

Those aren't the same things.
 
You included Bush among those who wanted to encourage home ownership among those who were not able to afford it, with your justification that he wanted to encourage home ownership in general, and among minorities.

Those aren't the same things.

Actually, they are very similar.

His programs were for minorities and low income families, and designed for those with problems such as money for a down-payment. It was designed to help "stabilize communities." Let's be honest here, they really are no different than what Clinton did.
 
Actually, they are very similar.

His programs were for minorities and low income families, and designed for those with problems such as money for a down-payment. It was designed to help "stabilize communities." Let's be honest here, they really are no different than what Clinton did.

The Bush program were small dollars, less than $1B, administered locally, and designed to encourage responsible lending.

The problem wasn't Clinton or Bush, it was Fannie / Freddie, who decided to back $trillions of dollars of suspect mortgages, including triple-no loans: no down payment, no income validation, no principal payments. Bush wanted to get this under control, the Democratic congress blocked it. That's just a fact, whether or not any other form of encouragement was going on.
 
Back
Top