The Authors' Hangout National Nude Day Support Thread

[sr71plt]

Nobody writes more fiction than you, Freddie. You've even written more than two thousand ficticious posts.

Brilliant. Got that right.

My bad story is going to be about you and how I met you that hot summer day sitting nude on top of that fountain in the center of Cambridge with your laptop covering your private parts

Why lug around a laptop? A postage stamp will do--although you might have trouble coaxing him out of the closet at his mommy's house.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

There's a difference from attacking people out of the clear blue and defending yourself after being attacked. Perhaps, you take too many of my comments out of context because you have not followed the history of those who have launched constant and continually attacks upon me (sniff).

Honestly, I can swear on a stack of Bibles that I have not written a 750 word story. Having written nearly 800 stories and approaching 3,000,000 words, you do the math.

Okay, I'll do it for you. My stories average more than 3,000 words. Many are multiple Literotica pages.

Actually, since 2009, my stories are now averaging more than 7,500 words.

Don't forget, towards the end of the Literotica contest, when I was competing against several writers who were posting under one person to write more stories than me to win the Survivor Contest, I started writing abbreviated stories. Also, my stories back in 2007 averaged a mere 1,500 to 2,000 words.

Yet, if you look at Bakeboss's stories, every single one of her stories are between the 750-1,000 word mark. Writing those types of stories does nothing for the site. All it does is wash the stories of others off the boards prematurely.

I've complained to the moderators about her to no avail. I've suggested every year of the contest that they raise the limit from 750 words to 1,500 words just for the Survivor Contest. Their answer is, if 750 words are good enough for the rest of Literotica than 750 words is good enough for Survivor.

Yet, converserly, when Laurel accepts a story posted in a category, that category is not good enough for the moderators of Survivor, especially if I wrote it. They freely moved more than a hundred of my stories out of the categories that Laurel put them in to place them in the non-erotic and review and essay categories, causing me to write even more stories.

Understandably, you can understand my frustration with the way contests are run around here. If you ask me, Literotica doesn't want to pay out the prize money. It wouldn't suprise me, if there were people put in place to pretend they are contestants to win the contests, so that money is not paid out to he general public.

Hey, stranger things have happened.

As far as you writing a Nude Day story, I can't motivate you to do that. Your inspiration needs to come from within.

Go ahead, take off all your clothes. I just wanna see something (lol).

Don't be shy. It's just me. Think of me as you would your doctor, Dr. Freddie. Let me see you naked. Maybe, I can be of help after all. That's right bend over. Cough (lol).

Just let me get naked, too. Maybe together, we can make our own story.

See, you can do it!

I'm not mocking, this is one of the most reasonable and thoughtful posts I've seen from you for ages and I have sympathy with much of what you say.

Whilst scouries rants, he doesn't get down to the issues of promoting a writer, and he uses you to publicise himself.

Dark says you've turned off voting on your stories. I don't know, I haven't looked. If you have people attacking your stories it probably has more to do with how you come across here.

You have a lot of good analysis to add to these forums. I just wish you could put aside your hurt and be your old funny and iconoclastic self and leave the irascible bit aside.

I'll keep my bargain. I've written the start and end of my Nude Day Story, struggling a bit with the middle, but if we can talk and differ in a positive not negative way I'll get it finished somehow. I think the SO might draw the line on us getting naked together, but I appreciate the compliment.

Elle

 

[scouries]

My old pal the funny man AsylumSeeker?

I've been looking for you my good man. Her Highness has asked me to help in improving the Special Contests here at LITEROTICA and one of the suggestions is to encourage the great best selling authors of yesteryear to participate in the next contest - the NUDE DAY 2010 CONTEST.

http://prettynudes.eu/a-wet-nude-babes-radiant-nude.jpg

On behalf of the palace and the millions of readers that make up the LITEROTICA FAMILY I'd like to invite you, AsylumSeeker, to enter a story in the contest (just one mind you).

Thank you,

james r scouries esq.

 

[Darkniciad]

Dark's Earth Day entry was definitely not 'cheating'. It was, however, against the spirit but not the letter of the rules and I hope he decides not to repeat it next year.

I assume that Laurel told you about this "spirit of the rule", then?

 

[sr71plt]

I assume that Laurel told you about this "spirit of the rule", then?

Elfin doesn't need anyone's "rules." She operates in her own personal realm of rules and "truths" (which she then tries to impose on everyone else).

 

[littleblackdress50]

To express your views on the rules is hardly to try and impose them on everyone else. It is a fact that rules are open to intrepretation. It's why we have lawyers and judges.

 

[Laurel]

Hi all!

The contests are not really about "generating traffic", as I suspect the majority of readers are unaware of our contests (though in the future we are planning ways to make these sorts of events more known to the average Lit reader). This special contest - like the Survivor contest, like the monthly contests - exist because authors asked us to have these sorts of events. They asked because they enjoy them, because they find participating in contests to be fun.

Not everyone finds the contests fun. They aren't compulsory, so anyone who doesn't enjoy them is free to not play along. Those who do enjoy them should feel free to have as much fun as they like! For those who enjoy the contests - please realize that there are those who enjoy complaining. They can do that - that's they're hobby, too! That doesn't mean you have to let those who don't like contests ruin your fun. One of the most important things I've learned in the 11 years running Lit is it's important to distinguish between those with an actual issue and those who like to vent. It's a lesson that's helped me both here at Lit and in other aspects of life.

As for the other point - I've yet to hear a solid argument in favor of limiting how many entries an author can submit to a contest. The vast majority of readers don't care who submits what - they vote for the stories they like regardless of who wrote them. and past contests have not shown that submitting more stories unfairly increases an author's chances of winning. If someone has a rational reason why entries should be limited, please explain either via PM (as I may not make it this way any time soon) or on another thread so that the Nude Day contest folks can go back to discussing the upcoming contest.

Thanks as always to Ogg for giving the contest authors a place to brainstorm!

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Hi all!

The contests are not really about "generating traffic", as I suspect the majority of readers are unaware of our contests (though in the future we are planning ways to make these sorts of events more known to the average Lit reader). This special contest - like the Survivor contest, like the monthly contests - exist because authors asked us to have these sorts of events. They asked because they enjoy them, because they find participating in contests to be fun.

Not everyone finds the contests fun. They aren't compulsory, so anyone who doesn't enjoy them is free to not play along. Those who do enjoy them should feel free to have as much fun as they like! For those who enjoy the contests - please realize that there are those who enjoy complaining. They can do that - that's they're hobby, too! That doesn't mean you have to let those who don't like contests ruin your fun. One of the most important things I've learned in the 11 years running Lit is it's important to distinguish between those with an actual issue and those who like to vent. It's a lesson that's helped me both here at Lit and in other aspects of life.

As for the other point - I've yet to hear a solid argument in favor of limiting how many entries an author can submit to a contest. The vast majority of readers don't care who submits what - they vote for the stories they like regardless of who wrote them. and past contests have not shown that submitting more stories unfairly increases an author's chances of winning. If someone has a rational reason why entries should be limited, please explain either via PM (as I may not make it this way any time soon) or on another thread so that the Nude Day contest folks can go back to discussing the upcoming contest.

Thanks as always to Ogg for giving the contest authors a place to brainstorm!

Thank you, Laurel, for replying to my request that you intercede and write something about your contests.

Hopefully, now, people like Darknicaid will stop cheating, Scouries will stop whinning about unfair contests, and sr71plt, will stop complaining and making fun of everyone. He is such a pain-in-ass, I do agree with you about that, for sure.

It's gratifying to know that such a great writer, as Andtheend is, can submit as many contest entries as she'd like to enter. We need to encourage someone who can write as well as she can. If you ask me, I agree with you, I think she's someone famous. I know you know who she is and won't tell me but, give me a hint, am I correct about her being either Toni Morrison, JK Rowling, or Stephanie Meyer?

Now for the rest of you, slackers, doomsday sayers, naysayers, and aggravators, go back about your business. The show is over. There's nothing to see here.

Maybe, by more of you participating, if some of you troublemakers would finally busy yourselves by writing a story, we'd have a better contest.

Thank you, again, Laurel. Everyone, let's give her a round of applause.

"Bravo! Way to go!"

 

[al_Ussa]

Oh I've had a GREAT story idea in the works for a quite a while that fits perfectly with this theme contest. I think that about a month should be more than enough time to finish that one....

Funny and insightful. That's all I've got to say.

 

[scouries]

scouries Response to Laurel #1

QUOTE Laurel Hi all!

The contests are not really about "generating traffic", as I suspect the majority of readers are unaware of our contests (though in the future we are planning ways to make these sorts of events more known to the average Lit reader). This special contest - like the Survivor contest, like the monthly contests - exist because authors asked us to have these sorts of events. They asked because they enjoy them, because they find participating in contests to be fun.

Welcome your Highness! It’s a delight to see you out and about.

First of all I’m glad you cleared up the point about the “purpose” of the contests. For years certain posters (led by ace and his cronies) have claimed that your main purpose of these contests was to generate stories and traffic and hence you didn’t care what anyone thought. I never believed that for a second.

Mind you I don’t believe you’re motiveless, that the contest season simply flowed out from some desire on your part to give authors some “fun”.

I have absolutely no doubt that you see them as a way to reward “pet” authors who perpetuate the status quo. This last contest was a perfect example of this – db, a long time backer of your vote system, who used questionable tactics in the contest, and who now is toadying up again with his latest thread, is rewarded. You’re the puppet master in these contests – the strings aren’t that hard to see. As they are in the Survivor contest.

I find one line in the above quote of yours quite interesting: “… in the future we are planning ways to make these sorts of events more known to the average Lit reader”

As you know this has been one of my continuing suggestions for the last three years – Up the visibility of the contests - and in fact I’ve made various suggestions on how to do it.

The other interesting aspect of your quote is that you don’t tell us how you “are planning to make these events more known to the average reader”. Nor do you ask for suggestions from the people most directly involved. You and Manu always spring your site changes on both readers and authors without prior consulting, without asking what we’d like to see. More than two years ago I tried to point out the folly of this sort of management. It’s yesterday’s style. Your little focus group of old timers seem ten years out of date. Move into the twenty-first century.

So maybe you could tell us what changes you’re planning? Your thinking. The time frame. And you know what? You just might get some good ideas in return.

QUOTE Laurel …please explain either via PM (as I may not make it this way any time soon)

I’ve decided to post this response to you here (as well as PM you and SCOURIES threading it) in spite of the above. In fact the tone of the above, especially the “I may not make it this way soon” part, sends a pretty clear and unfriendly message: DON’T BUG ME. It also tells us you’re not willing to hang around and seriously discuss this or any other question. Every once in a while you drop in, post something, then disappear. And quite frankly your record responding to PM’s is not good.

james r scouries

p.s. more on the question at hand (multiple entries) soon…

 

[scouries]

scouries Response to Laurel #2

QUOTE Laurel One of the most important things I've learned in the 11 years running Lit is it's important to distinguish between those with an actual issue and those who like to vent. It's a lesson that's helped me both here at Lit and in other aspects of life.

Thanks as always to Ogg for giving the contest authors a place to brainstorm!

The tenor of the above certainly isn’t encouraging. Brainstorming! I wonder if you’ve actually read any of the last 10 or 15 Ogg threads? His threads have always been dominated by talk of votes, sweeps, trolls, contest mechanics, complaints about comments, etc., etc. I invite you to read one of his threads – the last one (EARTH DAY) would be perfect. I’ll even make it easy for you – read pages 24, 25, and 26 of the thread – the good news for you is there isn’t one SCOURIES post on the 3 pages. Read them dear QUEEN and then tell me what the contests have become.

james r scouries esq.

more later…

 

[D_K_Moon]

I dunno, Laurel has always answered my PM's in a timely and professional manner.

 

[TxRad]

I dunno, Laurel has always answered my PM's in a timely and professional manner.

Mine also.

Since someone keeps claiming to get royalties, I figured they should already have Laurel's cell phone number.

 

[al_Ussa]

I've never had any problems with Laurel either. In fact she has been nothing but nice. So your claims of being persecuted strike me as paranoid.

 

[scouries]

scouries Response to Laurel #3

QUOTE Laurel One of the most important things I've learned in the 11 years running Lit is it's important to distinguish between those with an actual issue and those who like to vent. It's a lesson that's helped me both here at Lit and in other aspects of life.

I take it this is partly directed at me and that I’ve been put in the “vent” category. An attempt at a cheap putdown that allows you to skirt the issues I raise. Here are a few contest issues I’ve raised in the past. Are they “actual” issues as you call them?

The VOTING/SWEEP issue If you did read the pages I suggested in my last post I think it would be difficult for even you to argue that it isn’t an actual issue. In fact it’s become the dominant contest issue.

The CATEGGORY issue I raise this issue quite often (vent?) but it’s very hard to argue with the numbers (see Owlwhisper and previous posts I’ve made on the subject). Whether a Special Contest, or even more so in a Monthly contest, certain categories are heavily favored. You may not grasp the issue but it is one for those that don’t write in favored categories.

The TIMING issue I have raised the issue of timeliness (or lack of) – both with regard to the ANNUAL AWARDS and the MONTHLY CONTESTS. Every year you award these monthly winners 12-18 months late. With no explanation. As far as I understand it the winners are based only on the votes cast in the month in question only. So you know the winner the first week of the next month. So tell us! When you announce them 15 months later (and often even the winner reports weird changes on the scoring of the story in question) you’ve lost credibility. If it’s a matter of manpower surely you can find some volunteers.

The SURVIVOR issue There has been so much negative talk about this contest in the last three years that I’m pretty sure even you acknowledge this one as a real issue. The treatment of [size=+2]freddie [/size] has been atrocious.

The MULTIPLE ENTRY issue (no, I’m not talking about group sex) I’ll leave this one for my next post but I will say you do know this is an issue.

The TRANSPARANCY issue I suspect that someone of your political beliefs must find your own arguments in favor of secrecy hard to spit out let alone defend.

The MINIMUM NUMBER of VOTES REQUIRED issue On a site that advertises it gets millions of visitors a month I’ve always felt raising the minimum from a measly 25 votes in a READERS CHOICE contest made a lot of sense. Raise the bar! You may not agree with me but it’s hard to argue it’s not a legitimate issue.

The VOTES/VIEW/COMMENT issue I’ve suggested in the past that you reward stories that receive the most comments and views in a contest (and now have inaugurated the A.I.R. AWARDS myself to do so). I believe in any READERS CHOICE AWARDS these are three very important items to consider.

The issues I raise dear lady, even if you don’t agree with them all (you actually have implemented some of my other suggestions), are not “venting” as you characterize them, instead they’re serious attempts to suggest changes that would improve the site.

james r scouries esq.

 

[michchick98]

scouries Response to Laurel #3

Seriously, you keep on and on about how much you hate the AH, but you still post here. Stop posting here if you don't like it here. Simple concept. Surely you can comprehend that. You've said it hundreds of times yourself, "if you don't like me why do you post in my thread?" Well, the same holds for you there, sunshine. If you hate the AH, stop posting here.

Not that it really matters, a majority have you on ignore anyway, I'd suspect. But stop bitching about the rest of us and stop bitching about us posting on your thread if you plan to keep posting here.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Seriously, you keep on and on about how much you hate the AH, but you still post here. Stop posting here if you don't like it here. Simple concept. Surely you can comprehend that. You've said it hundreds of times yourself, "if you don't like me why do you post in my thread?" Well, the same holds for you there, sunshine. If you hate the AH, stop posting here.

Not that it really matters, a majority have you on ignore anyway, I'd suspect. But stop bitching about the rest of us and stop bitching about us posting on your thread if you plan to keep posting here.

I haven't heard Jim complain about anyone posting on his thread, rather he has invited the other great authors to come forward and support him in his quest to improve the contest scoring system. That's it. He's just trying to make it a better site and cut out all of the shenanigans of the trolls, etc. But, no one has come forward. They sit back and let a few do all of the complaining even though they might agree with him.

He brought up a good point about all the Literotica great authors not submitting any entries into the special contests. He's right. Where are they and why don't they submit to the contests? They still submit stories to the site, but not the contests. Are they afraid of the trolls, the comments, the high exposure to readers? I dunno. Maybe they got tired of loosing to some newbie who pops up from some other website just for a one-time post. Perhaps, a ringer, as Freddie would call them.

Even I am starting to think the contests are fixed. Hell, I got a red H on mine and I'm not even a good writer, but I do know how to use the quote mark. Why don't you enter a story in the Nude Day Contest and see how you feel about the outcome? When was the last time you entered a contest?

 

[sr71plt]

I haven't heard Jim complain about anyone posting on his thread,

That can only be true in the sense that this forum has to be read; you don't hear anything from the forum yourself if you put your ear to the monitor.

But, no one has come forward. They sit back and let a few do all of the complaining even though they might agree with him.

Ahemmmm

Incidently, though, I don't really agree with any of the latest lists of complaints he's brought up.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

That can only be true in the sense that this forum has to be read; you don't hear anything from the forum yourself if you put your ear to the monitor.




Ahemmmm

Incidently, though, I don't really agree with any of the latest lists of complaints he's brought up.

You are getting literal on me Pilot? I don't have sound on my PC, so I can't tell the difference betweeen a whine and bleep. But, you do have to admit that you can hear voices come through the posts with the words they choose to use and the cutzie little smiles they add on the end of their sentences.

I thought you did agree with something along the way here. Yes, I am confused.

I personally, hate the sweeps that take place. How can a person loose 50 votes overnight and if someone is screwing with the voting mechanism, why the fuck don't they stop? What a waste of energy!

 

[Owlwhisper]

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[sr71plt]

I thought you did agree with something along the way here. Yes, I am confused.

Apparently you didn't think that, or you wouldn't have posted that no one had agreed with him on anything.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Apparently you didn't think that, or you wouldn't have posted that no one had agreed with him on anything.

Apparently, I'm having a lovely afternoon and I don't understand your statement.

I don't know who "they" are, but I am not one of them. Please don't make a blanket statement like that about those of us who choose not to participate in this "discussion." Sometimes silence is simply an indication that a person has moved on.

Related to this, you have made interesting speculations about why some prolific authors do not to enter the contests (at least under their recognizable names). My question to you is: Why speculate? PM them and find out for yourself. I would be interested in what you find out.

So, why do you think people feel compelled to enter a high-exposure contest under an assumed name? How would I even know a newbie great from a alt great? And, I tried to PM someone yesterday. They had it turned off. What the hell are they afraid of? Words? Do you really think if I PM'd someone like Selena Kitt, Many Feathers, or Danielle Kitten, they would take the time to respond to me?

 

[michchick98]

I haven't heard Jim complain about anyone posting on his thread, rather he has invited the other great authors to come forward and support him in his quest to improve the contest scoring system. That's it. He's just trying to make it a better site and cut out all of the shenanigans of the trolls, etc. But, no one has come forward. They sit back and let a few do all of the complaining even though they might agree with him.

He hasn't complained lately, but he has bitched plenty in the past and he takes every opportunity he can to badmouth the regulars who post to the Authors' Hangout. So again, if he hates the AH so much, why bother to continue posting here? He can do what he's told us to do in the past, which is simply leave us alone.

He brought up a good point about all the Literotica great authors not submitting any entries into the special contests. He's right. Where are they and why don't they submit to the contests? They still submit stories to the site, but not the contests. Are they afraid of the trolls, the comments, the high exposure to readers? I dunno. Maybe they got tired of loosing to some newbie who pops up from some other website just for a one-time post. Perhaps, a ringer, as Freddie would call them.

I can't speak for the other authors so I can't say why they don't enter. But I'd suspect one of the reasons isn't because of the trolls, but rather the whiners who go on their tirades after every contest saying "it's not fair! All the same people win!" Perhaps, maybe they're giving new authors the opportunity to let themselves gain some new readers.

Even I am starting to think the contests are fixed. Hell, I got a red H on mine and I'm not even a good writer, but I do know how to use the quote mark.

Congrats on your Red H. I don't know how the readers think when they vote one story low and others high. Scores on some of my stories fluctuate and the Hs disappear only to reappear a few weeks later. I don't worry about that much these days. I still have a pretty good reader base.

Why don't you enter a story in the Nude Day Contest and see how you feel about the outcome? When was the last time you entered a contest?

When I did enter contests, I never minded the outcome. We've always had the ability to delete the nasty comments from our stories and the scores usually rebounded to eventually gain the red H.

Entering contests has always been a good way to gain more readers. Sure, it would've been nice to win or place, but my writing wasn't nearly as good a those who've won...and I still don't think it's good enough to win now. And as I said, I have a pretty good reader base.

Besides, I like my chaptered stories too much and I don't want to enter one long story into a contest. As a reader, I prefer shorter stories/chapters to read and I'd guess most of the Lit readers would too. I may decide to enter one again someday, but I'm happy with the way things are right now.

I do agree something needs to change with the contest system, but since I don't enter them, I don't really voice my concerns on the issue.

Do you really think if I PM'd someone like Selena Kitt, Many Feathers, or Danielle Kitten, they would take the time to respond to me?

Sounds like a cop out to me. Why don't you try and see? You'd be surprised at the outcome.

 

[Owlwhisper]

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[scouries]

scouries Response to Laurel #4

QUOTE Laurel The vast majority of readers don't care who submits what - they vote for the stories they like regardless of who wrote them… And past contests have not shown that submitting more stories unfairly increases an author's chances of winning.

I agree that submitting many, many stories in a contest may not increase one’s chances of winning. In fact, given my belief of how winners are chosen (directly by the palace regardless of the real voting and based on who agrees and defends her view of the world more), it has none.

Re your line: ” they vote for the stories they like regardless of who wrote them”

Given the paucity of votes so many entries receive perhaps the line should be: ” they don’t vote for the stories they like regardless of who wrote them”. In fact when writers report their vote totals at the end of the various contests it’s sad (for me anyway) to see how few votes were made. And even sadder when you consider how many of these 10, 15, 20, 25 or even 50 votes cast on the stories in question came from interested parties (the author himself, his friends, his co competitors). Literally no uninterested READER is voting (outside of for a few authors who’ve worked to build a fan base)!

Of course this LACK OF VOTES is another major contest issue that I’d love to see addressed. And surprise, surprise, I’ve got quite a few ideas on how to improve it.

And could one of the solutions be to limit the number of author’s entries? Not according to the palace…

james r scouries esq.