How a republican can talk to (and maybe ally with) a Tea Partier

Frisco_Slug_Esq

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If you're a Dem, just leave now, the source is not reputable...

The Founders of the United States hoped to create a society of free individuals, but for at least a century, the nation has been marching ever more quickly in the direction of tyranny. The independent Tea Partymovement represents a renewed desire to roll back the tide of government expansion, but this cause will fail unless its participants take an uncompromising stand in favor of individual rights. A building, no matter how rigid, cannot stand upon a weak and cracked foundation. In the same vein, errors and inconsistencies in a society's philosophical foundation will cause its downfall -- even in one as great as ours.

The Republican Party inadvertently teaches this lesson. Even though its leaders have mostly advocated free markets and individual responsibility, they have failed to defend the proper moral foundation of a free society. This failure has led us to imminent crisis, and their actions illustrate perfectly why an unyielding adherence to the correct moral principles is so vitally important. For example, many Republicans argue for a return to constitutional limits on government, which is a good idea. But if they do not understand the moral context the Founders used to write the Constitution -- individual rights -- then they will misinterpret "Constitutional limits." The wrong moral context might lead someone to conclude that "promoting the general welfare" is a Constitutional sanction for some species of statism, which is absurd.

Republican leaders commit this kind of error with The American Energy Act, in which they arbitrarily propose building one hundred nuclear reactors over the next twenty years. Rather than deregulating and allowing people to choose their own energy solutions -- which would uphold individual rights -- politicians will instead continue the practice of manipulating buyers and sellers. Markets deal with the concrete facts of reality, however, and reality is not subject to the whims of any lawmaker. On the contrary, reality dashes all attempts to rewrite it.

For example, if the reality of energy demand required a hundred or more new reactors, this mandate would be wasteful because suppliers would build at least this many reactors anyway. If buyers demanded fewer than a hundred reactors -- perhaps because there are better and cheaper energy solutions on the market -- then Republican legislation would make energy more expensive because it would force capital away from cheaper solutions and toward nuclear energy. Simply put, violating individual rights will not produce the favorable outcome Republican leaders are looking for.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell made the same error in a recent appearance on CNN. He discussed the Democratic health care bill and identified the slogan "repeal and replace" as a key component of Republican campaign strategy. He went on to say, "[H]opefully we'll be able to repeal the most egregious parts of this and replace them with things we could have done on a bipartisan basis much earlier this year." McConnell implied that Republicans are willing to compromise with Democrats on health care legislation, which is a tragedy in itself, given the horrifying national crisis of debt. But even worse than this, Republicans propose a bill that is principally and morally no different from the Democratic bill.

Where Democrats seek to plan health care directly, Republicans propose tax incentives and federal-to-state bonus payments to plan the industry "indirectly." The key similarity is that Democrats and Republicans both agree that politicians must use their particular methods of planning to manipulate buyers and sellers of health care services. Because the free market already provides a profit incentive for exceptional services at the best prices, Republican legislation is unnecessary and even harmful.

As mentioned above, markets deal with the facts of reality, and any kind of successful business venture must gauge these facts accurately. Republican health care legislation will distort the view of the marketplace by making it appear as if some kinds of services are better than others. If individuals actually require different services, then this legislation will necessarily increase cost and waste. Just as with the previous example of nuclear energy, capital would be forced away from better services to those "encouraged" by Republican legislation. With this proposal, Republican leaders would create more government control, fewer choices for individuals, and yet more cracks in the foundation.

Republican leaders do not question whether government should interfere at all in the choices of free individuals, but rather how the interference should be implemented. Both parties treat society as a singular entity that should be herded, steered, and molded in the image they envision. In reality, a society is composed of individuals making their own decisions. Treading on the rights of individuals will necessarily damage the society that emerges. The simple point has been lost on Republican leaders that the most effective way to encourage innovation is to stop meddling with people.

The philosophical arguments of individualism hold that rights are derived from the factual traits of human nature. It is the individual -- not society -- that must use his thinking mind in order to produce what he needs to survive and pursue his own happiness. The only way to live with others is to recognize this fact and respect it by never initiating force upon another, because force negates a thinking mind. Since societies are made by individuals working together, it follows that a stable and thriving society necessarily respects its fundamental unit: the individual. After all, a building will not stand with its foundation destroyed.

The current state of U.S. politics is analogous to a trick of sophistry known as Morton's Fork, which is a way of presenting two choices that lead to the same unfavorable conclusion. Lord Chancellor John Morton, charged with replenishing the depleted coffers of Henry VII, devised a tax strategy under which no one was exempt: Either a subject lived frugally, and must have savings enough to give to the king; or they lived opulently, and obviously had enough money to spare for the king. Either way, the crown wins.

Just as Henry's subjects never questioned the king's right to demand a ransom, voters today do not question the bipartisan violation of their rights. A vote for either party results in the same unfavorable outcome: a politician with no moral qualms about trampling your rights as an individual. Voting alone will not solve this problem.

Justin Blackman
The American Thinker
 
Don't worry, Collectivists won't read anything that long. They'll just bash you for cut 'n paste.
 
You need to replace the word "individual" in that piece with the word "corporate".
 
If you're a Dem, just leave now, the source is not reputable...Justin Blackman The American Thinker

It's a whiny ass plea lamenting the passing of the healthcare status quo, couched in the usual fringe right "liberty" and "freeeeedom" misdirections, in other words, the sort of mindless blather that gives fringe right looneytunes like you a stiffy.
 
It's a whiny ass plea lamenting the passing of the healthcare status quo, couched in the usual fringe right "liberty" and "freeeeedom" misdirections, in other words, the sort of mindless blather that gives fringe right looneytunes like you a stiffy.

I hate it when people cite Liberty and Freedom, what good is that to the poor and stoopid amongst us who need to have a lots of goberment handouts so they feel good about themselves.
 
Don't worry, Collectivists won't read anything that long. They'll just bash you for cut 'n paste.

I read it. Even before I got to the bottom and read, "Justin Blackman
The American Thinker," I knew it was another cut & paste job. Frisco_Slug_Esq can't write anything that long.

As I expected, it had no new facts, no original insights, just right wing boilerplate.

Contrary to what Blackman suggests, the Republican Party has not betrayed an earlier commitment to the free market. The GOP has always favored business subsidies. It advocated high tariffs until the employer/investor class learned to transfer production to third world countries that lack safeguards for labor and the environment.
 
I read it. Even before I got to the bottom and read, "Justin Blackman
The American Thinker," I knew it was another cut & paste job. Frisco_Slug_Esq can't write anything that long.

As I expected, it had no new facts, no original insights, just right wing boilerplate.

Contrary to what Blackman suggests, the Republican Party has not betrayed an earlier commitment to the free market. The GOP has always favored business subsidies. It advocated high tariffs until the employer/investor class learned to transfer production to third world countries that lack safeguards for labor and the environment.

High tariffs is a Democrat deal. Republicans demanded high tariffs when trading partner countries had high import tariffs on U.S. produced goods.
 
I read it. Even before I got to the bottom and read, "Justin Blackman
The American Thinker," I knew it was another cut & paste job. Frisco_Slug_Esq can't write anything that long.

As I expected, it had no new facts, no original insights, just right wing boilerplate.

Contrary to what Blackman suggests, the Republican Party has not betrayed an earlier commitment to the free market. The GOP has always favored business subsidies. It advocated high tariffs until the employer/investor class learned to transfer production to third world countries that lack safeguards for labor and the environment.

But you were somehow too fucking stupid to see the first sentence and understand the implications of the phrase "the source is unreliable..."
 
Speaking of favoring business subsidies...

The dirty little secret about the Obama administration’s “Wall Street reform” bill is that it’s full of favors for Wall Street. Case in point: You might have heard about the new $50 billion fund that would be used to wind down large financial firms that became insolvent. The fund would come from assessments on Wall Street banks, based on the principle that these “too big to fail” institutions should pre-fund their own bailouts. But you probably didn’t know that these assessments would count as tax-deductible business expenses, meaning that for every dollar the banks would pay into the fund, 35 cents would come out of the Treasury.

This provision is Senate Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd’s financial-reform bill in a nutshell: a hodge-podge of new restrictions on Wall Street offset by a hearty dose of sweeteners to keep financial-industry cash flowing to Democrats. For every measure that would cut into Wall Street’s profits, another would subsidize its operations. New regulations governing derivatives would cut into the fees investment banks could charge for structuring these customized products. But the bailout authority awarded to the FDIC and the Federal Reserve would allow the banks to borrow at reduced rates, with their creditors secure in the knowledge that the government would step in if the market tanked.

The Editors
NRO

[also an "UNRELIABLE" source of information...]

Worse yet, the banks make a killing borrowing money from the Fed at a low rate and then turning around and loaning it to the Treasury at a substantially higher rate, again, with a guaranteed return...

But is the administration and its Congress about to fix that loophole?

Not on your life.

These are the smart people led by Turbo Timmy...

Obama's "Financial Peers"

Andy Stern
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/23/andy-sterns-debts/

Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias
http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/re...ass&action=4&lang=en&_LT=HOME_BUNWC00L4_UNEWS

Then there was Penny Pritzker...

And now, the engineer of a fiscal disaster for her state is on the short list to the Supreme Court demanding she bring real-world experience to the court as one who understands the misery of the people due to government's laws...

People YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!!!
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--let me-- let me do the positive side of this. Okay? We've-- just been through eight years where people said-- many people said, ‘Deficits don't matter. We can-- we can pass huge tax cuts, pass huge new programs without paying for them.’ That debate has changed fundamentally. Now you don't hear people say anymore, ‘Deficits don't matter.’ You don't hear people saying that we can pass enormously—enormous expansion of government without paying for it. That's an important change. I think all Americans understand that our deficits are unsustainable. And I think that'll be helpful as we move to try to make the hard choices to bring them down again.”
TIMOTHY GEITHNER
 
"Worse yet, the banks make a killing borrowing money from the Fed at a low rate and then turning around and loaning it to the Treasury at a substantially higher rate, again, with a guaranteed return..."


This shit makes me want to go postal.


Big rally on Wall Street this Thursday. I'm gonna be there.
 
"Worse yet, the banks make a killing borrowing money from the Fed at a low rate and then turning around and loaning it to the Treasury at a substantially higher rate, again, with a guaranteed return..."


This shit makes me want to go postal.


Big rally on Wall Street this Thursday. I'm gonna be there.

As in buying shorts?


:D :D :D
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In a characteristic display of his now famous modesty, President Obama reacted to the hostility of the Tax Day tea parties by saying, “You would think they should be saying ‘thank you’” — for all he’s done for them. Right now, the fellows saying “thank you” are the mullahs, the Politburo, Tsar Putin, and others hostile to U.S. interests who’ve figured out they now have the run of the planet.
Mark Steyn
 
More crappola from an unreliable source:

There are two schools of thought about the Reagan tax cuts. The conventional conservative view: They spurred investment, entrepreneurship, and real economic growth, helping to resuscitate the post-Carter economy, and, by doing so, they paid for themselves. The conventional liberal view: They were an ill-considered product of starve-the-beast ideology and produced crippling deficits, inaugurating a new era of fiscal irresponsibility only briefly transcended during the golden years of the Clinton presidency.

Here’s a different take: They never happened.

Properly understood, there were no Reagan tax cuts. In 1980 federal spending was $590 billion and in 1989 it was $1.14 trillion; you don’t get Reagan tax cuts without Tip O’Neill spending cuts. Looked at from the proper perspective, we haven’t really had any tax cuts to speak of — we’ve had tax deferrals. Reagan and his congressional allies had an excuse in the considerable person of Speaker O’Neill. But George W. Bush and the concurrent Republican majorities in both houses of Congress didn’t manage to cut spending, either. Part of that was circumstances — 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, the subprime meltdown — but part of it was the fact that a poorly applied supply-side analysis has infantilized Republicans when it comes to the budget. They love to cut taxes but cannot bring themselves to cut spending: It’s eat dessert first and leave the spinach on the table.

There is some evidence that this is both bad politics and bad policy. Many conservatives were disheartened by the Republican spending excesses of 2001–06, and abandoned the GOP in the elections of 2006 and 2008. And you may have noticed that our parks and public spaces are from time to time filled with rowdy tea-party demonstrators hollering for Washington to drop anchor post-haste on the USS Appropriations, which is nonetheless steaming on at a nauseating clip. Spending cuts are always popular in theory and detested in practice, but the deficit is now truly terrifying, and, fortunately for Republicans, it is owned by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. Our gross national debt is about 80 percent of GDP today and will be nearly 100 percent by 2012. If the government applied any sort of reasonable accounting standard to its future liabilities — if it were taking the same write-downs on Social Security and Medicare that the Fortune 500 are taking on Obamacare — then our real liabilities would far exceed GDP. It’s ugly, and the numbers suggest that we aren’t going to grow our way out of it: Despite all those pro-growth tax cuts, our deficits continue to grow faster than our economy. That’s been especially true during the Great Recession, but even during periods of strong economic growth, there has been nothing to indicate that our economy is going to grow so fast that it will surmount our deficits and debt without serious spending restraint. This should be a shrieking klaxon of alarm for conservatives still falling for happy talk about pro-growth tax cuts and strategic Laffer Curve optimizing.

Some people are more sensible about that Laffer Curve talk. Laffer, for instance. Arthur Laffer, whose famous (and possibly apocryphal) back-of-the-napkin diagram launched supply-side tax policy, readily concedes that the growth effects of tax cuts are oversold in the political debate. “Does every tax cut pay for itself? No. I think Irving Kristol wrote that, once — and then did a pretty good job of arguing for it. But if some guy running for Congress in Clayton County, Texas, says all tax cuts pay for themselves, what do we want to do? Go after him with a shotgun? Sure, they’re going to cite me, and there’s very little I can do about it. But there’s the same amount of ignorance on the other side, ignoring the economic feedback effects of tax cuts.”

Kevin Williamson
NRO
 
If what I've read is any guide, the conventional liberal wisdom agrees with that piece. Liberals love to point out that Reagan was not the paragon of conservatism that we are led to believe.
 
If what I've read is any guide, the conventional liberal wisdom agrees with that piece. Liberals love to point out that Reagan was not the paragon of conservatism that we are led to believe.

No they don't agree with it, oh the tax cut part, yeah, that's one of their main mantras, that tax cuts don't work (at ALL).

It's the part about cutting back on spending that they disagree with since government spending = tax revenues to them...

;) ;)
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--let me-- let me do the positive side of this. Okay? We've-- just been through eight years where people said-- many people said, ‘Deficits don't matter. We can-- we can pass huge tax cuts, pass huge new programs without paying for them.’ That debate has changed fundamentally. Now you don't hear people say anymore, ‘Deficits don't matter.’ You don't hear people saying that we can pass enormously—enormous expansion of government without paying for it. That's an important change. I think all Americans understand that our deficits are unsustainable. And I think that'll be helpful as we move to try to make the hard choices to bring them down again.”
TIMOTHY GEITHNER
 
I don't agree with the Teapublican Party, but if they take power and actually break the stranglehold of Wall Street rule, god bless.

Not holding my breath, though.
 
I don't agree with the Teapublican Party, but if they take power and actually break the stranglehold of Wall Street rule, god bless.

Not holding my breath, though.

Can't happen. Our laws are now a set of pay-to-play rules designed by a body grown accustomed to protection money as a two-way street to maintaining power.

The only difference will be is the brand of Statism employed by the winners of the election...

Of course, financial systems all over the world are yearning for the day we bring Wall Street in for its comeuppance.

:(
 
Can't happen. Our laws are now a set of pay-to-play rules designed by a body grown accustomed to protection money as a two-way street to maintaining power.

The only difference will be is the brand of Statism employed by the winners of the election...

Of course, financial systems all over the world are yearning for the day we bring Wall Street in for its comeuppance.

:(

This doesn't bode well for the mood of the electorate.
 
We'd be better off with a revolution at this point.

Here's another LED Obama has managed to get to grow...

“What we have seen is a substantial change in mentality among the overseas community in the past two years,” said Jackie Bugnion, director of American Citizens Abroad, an advocacy group based in Geneva. “Before, no one would dare mention to other Americans that they were even thinking of renouncing their U.S. nationality. Now, it is an openly discussed issue.”
The Federal Register, the government publication that records such decisions, shows that 502 expatriates gave up their U.S. citizenship or permanent residency status in the last quarter of 2009. That is a tiny portion of the 5.2 million Americans estimated by the State Department to be living abroad.
Still, 502 was the largest quarterly figure in years, more than twice the total for all of 2008, and it looms larger, given how agonizing the decision can be. There were 235 renunciations in 2008 and 743 last year. Waiting periods to meet with consular officers to formalize renunciations have grown.
Anecdotally, frustrations over tax and banking questions, not political considerations, appear to be the main drivers of the surge. Expat advocates say that as it becomes more difficult for Americans to live and work abroad, it will become harder for American companies to compete.
American expats have long complained that the United States is the only industrialized country to tax citizens on income earned abroad, even when they are taxed in their country of residence, though they are allowed to exclude their first $91,400 in foreign-earned income.
One Swiss-based business executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of sensitive family issues, said she weighed the decision for 10 years. She had lived abroad for years but had pleasant memories of service in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Yet the notion of double taxation — and of future tax obligations for her children, who will receive few U.S. services — finally pushed her to renounce, she said.
“I loved my time in the Marines, and the U.S. is still a great country,” she said. “But having lived here 20 years and having to pay and file while seeing other countries’ nationals not having to do that, I just think it’s grossly unfair.”
“It’s taxation without representation,” she added.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/us/26expat.html?hp

The wheels of history are grinding and I'm thinking sooner or later the populist strong man emerges. As Hayek posits, when the collective groupthink is the rule, he has too arise from the paralysis...
 
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