Why amicus opposes Obama's push for health care reform

[stephen55]

Obama: Look at what the Mayo Clinic is able to do. It's got some of the best quality and some of the lowest prices of just about any system in the country.

So what we want to do is help the whole country learn from what Mayo is doing. We want to help the whole country learn some of the good things that are going on in Minnesota.

That will save everybody money.

amicus: SSHHRRIIIIEEEEEEECCKKKKKKKKK

Now you know.
Thanks for stopping by.

(And thanks to Canadian Cynic)

 

[Carnevil9]

So, let me get this straight:

You think Amicus wants the world to suck? You think that he wants people to have bad health care options?

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people? You actually think he wishes the worst for people?

You, sir, are pure evil. And you are what is wrong with political discourse in the modern era......Carney

 

[PoppingTom]

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people?

Well, approaches can be discussed.

But it seems like Dems and Reps discuss if "the greatest good for the most people" is something you should care at all, cause if you care, you damage the industry, and, at last, you damage the pure American values.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

amicus: SSHHRRIIIIEEEEEEECCKKKKKKKKK

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/tvandfilm/2009/11/19/bodysnatchers1.jpg

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people? You actually think he wishes the worst for people?

From what I've seen of the expressions of his mind here, just the worst for the people who are lesser than him. Or I should say instead of "lesser than him," the ones with darker pigmentation in their skin than of his own.

Happy Easter!

 

[Dragonlipz]

So, let me get this straight:

You think Amicus wants the world to suck? You think that he wants people to have bad health care options?

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people? You actually think he wishes the worst for people?

You, sir, are pure evil. And you are what is wrong with political discourse in the modern era......Carney

CE#9 - If you read or have read Amicus's opinions and comments about American life and the current degradation of its values, if you had or did, you could see whereof Stephen55 derives this observation of Komrad Amikus.
Amicus's recent rant about how all the city-folk were going to be rounded up after militia-inspired event and reeducated in some prison environment are typical of his delusional fantasies. His inane pap about some fictional America that Alisa Rosenbaum theorized, replete with its own set of morals and values that only the most intellectually challenge fiscal conservatives find inspiring, confirms his inability to grasp even the most basic of human values and motivations.
Of course this is a site for fiction writers to congregate so why shouldn't his rants include a healthy dose of information that is just that: fiction.
I could go on about his stunted world view that includes a ton of racism and sexism that seems to pervade his iconoclastic rhetoric but just read his crap for yourself.....
Stephen55 is to be commended for taking a moral stand against those of Amicus's ilk who profess to love this country, (the United States of America) but cannot embrace it's values.

 

[Liar]

So, let me get this straight:

You think Amicus wants the world to suck? You think that he wants people to have bad health care options?

I'm not sure how you arrived at that from Stephen's post. (personally, I qouldn't quite parse it at all ) Please elaborate.

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people?

No, I don't. He has explicitly voiced his disdain for utilitarism (i.e the approach to achieve the greatest good for the most people), and how his Absolute Values trumps the greater good. How it is better for everyone to die free than to live with a little social support (or as he calls it, slavery).

However, whether amicus wishes people ill or not is not what I think this was all about. Rather the latter, that he has a strange definition of "good". The Mayo operates under a bit of social support principles, that even though it seems to work reasonably well, the trace amounts of Socialism that are there causes ami's skin to crawl.

 

[Liar]

You, sir, are pure evil. And you are what is wrong with political discourse in the modern era......Carney

Ad hominems I can stomach. What's wrong with the political discourse in the modern era are people who poison the discourse with lies and misinformation.

See: "death panels", "communist", "birth certificate", "he's coming for your guns", "government takeover", "the stimulus creates no jobs" (while applying for stimulus money to create jobs), miranda rights poutrage and on and on

 

[MzDeviancy]

Obama: Look at what the Mayo Clinic is able to do. It's got some of the best quality and some of the lowest prices of just about any system in the country.

So what we want to do is help the whole country learn from what Mayo is doing. We want to help the whole country learn some of the good things that are going on in Minnesota.

That will save everybody money.

amicus: SSHHRRIIIIEEEEEEECCKKKKKKKKK

Now you know.
Thanks for stopping by.

(And thanks to Canadian Cynic)

You know, Amicus has admitted posing as a liberal in conservative forums. Others have remarked - and I've come to agree - that it's entirely likely that he's just posing as an ultra-right nutbar in the AH to get a mostly liberal forum's goat. And feeling even more smug and superior because he's actually told us that he fakes political perspectives to stir shit up for his own entertainment, and yet we still haven't figured out that he's doing the same thing to us.

The best thing to do is to view Ami as a harmless but insensitive jackass with too much time on his hands, and treat debating with him - if you still choose to engage in it - as practice for debating the real crazies. It's good for increasing your right-wing-drivel rage threshold.

 

[JackLuis]

You know, Amicus has admitted posing as a liberal in conservative forums. Others have remarked - and I've come to agree - that it's entirely likely that he's just posing as an ultra-right nutbar in the AH to get a mostly liberal forum's goat. And feeling even more smug and superior because he's actually told us that he fakes political perspectives to stir shit up for his own entertainment, and yet we still haven't figured out that he's doing the same thing to us.

The best thing to do is to view Ami as a harmless but insensitive jackass with too much time on his hands, and treat debating with him - if you still choose to engage in it - as practice for debating the real crazies. It's good for increasing your right-wing-drivel rage threshold.

He must be engaged when he gets on a tear, though.

You can debate him to an extent, but he, turns the tables and diverts attention from any sane approach to a subject.

I mean it is good for him to see the opposition, so he doesn't go completely crackers in his dotage.

 

[rgraham666]

Canadian Cynic is hilarious. I've met him a couple of times. Nice guy.

 

[Goldie Munro]

Does anyone take Amicus seriously? Really?

 

[stephen55]

So, let me get this straight:

You think Amicus wants the world to suck? You think that he wants people to have bad health care options?

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people? You actually think he wishes the worst for people?

You, sir, are pure evil. And you are what is wrong with political discourse in the modern era......Carney

Ami isn't interested in what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people. That line of thinking draws from him the charge of being a coward of the Intellectual Left, morally and ethically bankrupt etc. etc.

He does wish the worst for people who don't follow his Ayn Rand pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism. He's called for them to give up and die.

If dismissing his Ayn Rand rant of enlightened self-interest makes me pure evil, then mea culpa. I'm sure Ayn herself would agree, if she were with us today.

"I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows."
Rand, Ayn (September 1971). "Brief Summary". The Objectivist 10 (9): 1.

Ayn Rand had a serious issue with anyone who applied reason even minimally different than she did herself. When she found out that her number two, Nathaniel Branden, at the time married and having an affair with herself, also married, was not only cheating with her but on her, she went ballistic and excommunicated the guy and went through the 1984 routine of wiping his name from anything to do with her cult.

And a cult is exactly what she was running. As Daniel J. Flynn said of it in his book, Intellectual Morons: How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall For Stupid Ideas...

The result of the loyalty oaths, trials, excommunications, and purges was somewhat predictable. Objectivists maintaining independence and self-respect refused to go along with the hysteria. Rand tossed them out of the movement, and along with them went all of Objectivism's free minds. Weak-minded followers remained. This guaranteed that the official movement woukld be composed of easily led danglers unable to think outside of the narrow constraints Rand put in place. (page 214)

I haven't seen ami come out and admit it, but his predictable rants against anything that falls short of Rand's Objectivism makes me certain that she is his hero. He once went into his brand of formal philosophy with "A is A". It's from Rand and makes as much contribution to the world as does her assertion that "rational egoism (rational self-interest), [is] the only proper guiding moral principle."

You think Amicus wants the world to suck?

Because ami knows the world isn't run by Rand's Objectivism, he already thinks that the world sucks.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

And the reason that Objectivism doesn't apply to the real world is that humans are a social species. In any society that didn't pay ink-stained drones to entertain it but required them to actually do something useful, Ayn Rand would have starved.

 

[Loring2]

Come Now

And the reason that Objectivism doesn't apply to the real world is that humans are a social species. In any society that didn't pay ink-stained drones to entertain it but required them to actually do something useful, Ayn Rand would have starved.

You know better than that Manque. Our present society does precisely what you say society doesn't do. It does pay drones to entertain it and it does only as it's told. We're quite collctive too you see.

'Objectivism' is another story. I think that many of us if not all practice forms of it much in the same way that we practice Theism, in other words, as little as possible. Mostly we listen to the drones we pay, after all it's our money.

Personally, I prefer a pretty heavy yeasty brew.

 

[Carnevil9]

Well, this is doubtless the most quoted I've ever been in a single thread! <taking a bow>........Carney

 

[stephen55]

Zzaaapppppp!!!!

Yo!!...Carnevil9...I'm pure evil and I have a magic wand, so watch it, or I'll turn you into a toad or a three headed goat...or something...but it'll be bad!!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Yo!!...Carnevil9...I'm pure evil and I have a magic wand, so watch it, or I'll turn you into a toad or a three headed goat...or something...but it'll be bad!!

Obama beat you to it, Steve.

http://toraor.net/Barack_Obama_Is_Satan.jpg

 

[FreshlyDirty]

So, let me get this straight:

You think Amicus wants the world to suck? You think that he wants people to have bad health care options?

You don't believe that he just has a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people? You actually think he wishes the worst for people?

You, sir, are pure evil. And you are what is wrong with political discourse in the modern era......Carney

Haha! Amicus accuses Obama and other political leaders of this EVERY SINGLE DAY.

You think Amicus doesn't say Obama wants America to suck?

Amicus accuses Obama far worse of just having a differing opinion of what approaches will lead to the greatest good for the most people. He actually accuses Obama of wanting the worst for the citizens of the United States of America.

Why call this guy pure evil and let Amicus slide on his ridiculous claims. Why say this guy is what's wrong with political discourse then take Amicus's even more radical side. Rather than rally and participate in the Democratic process of electing and ousting political leaders by means of voting, Amicus advocates for killing people to get his side in power. Yet you jump on this guy with a fire of self-righteousness. Be for fucking real.

 

[amicus]

DirtyLinen...I could care less that Obama is Black and has an ugly wife, it is his announced political philosophy that I deem evil.

Even the well tamed 'Dinsoaur Media', is beginning to question if Obama is a Socialist and if so, just what it means.

Currently trendy and evasive, is the misnomer of Progressive Liberalism, a psuedonym for Socialism, Marxism, Leninism, SociaL Democracy, Fascism and a dozen more that have a common denominator: sacrifice of human individual rights to the 'greater good.'

The so called humane 'liberals' on this forum, have an Orwellian concept of a perfect world in two part harmony wherein the Lion Lay down with the Lamb.

Bullshit.

Every society that has ever sacrificed even a portion of individual rights and liberties has ended up in the same graveyard and Obama and his goons are digging the graves.

The entire Progressive Liberal agenda begins with the barrel of a gun and the use of force and coercion to impose their dreams.

By what right do you use force to impose your will on me?

And does not the use of force violate all human morality and is it not properly defined as evil?

Left Wing Liberals have an evil inhumane philosophy and will use any means to achieve their desired end of total mediocrity and slavery.

Proud of yourself, are you?

Amicus Veritas

 

[IrezumiKiss]

DirtyLinen...I could care less that Obama is Black and has an ugly wife,

Fuck you, you obsolete, outdated, prune-skinned, anachronistic piece of shit.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Michelle_Obama_waving.jpg/439px-Michelle_Obama_waving.jpg

She's gorgeous. And on your best day of life of using the best-smelling soap in the shower, you wish you could jerk your broken pickle to a woman on her level of quality.

 

[Dragonlipz]

DirtyLinen...I could care less that Obama is Black and has an ugly wife, it is his announced political philosophy that I deem evil.

Even the well tamed 'Dinsoaur Media', is beginning to question if Obama is a Socialist and if so, just what it means.

Currently trendy and evasive, is the misnomer of Progressive Liberalism, a psuedonym for Socialism, Marxism, Leninism, SociaL Democracy, Fascism and a dozen more that have a common denominator: sacrifice of human individual rights to the 'greater good.'

The so called humane 'liberals' on this forum, have an Orwellian concept of a perfect world in two part harmony wherein the Lion Lay down with the Lamb.

Bullshit.

Every society that has ever sacrificed even a portion of individual rights and liberties has ended up in the same graveyard and Obama and his goons are digging the graves.

The entire Progressive Liberal agenda begins with the barrel of a gun and the use of force and coercion to impose their dreams.

By what right do you use force to impose your will on me?

And does not the use of force violate all human morality and is it not properly defined as evil?

Left Wing Liberals have an evil inhumane philosophy and will use any means to achieve their desired end of total mediocrity and slavery.

Proud of yourself, are you?

Amicus Veritas

Damned proud of myself, thank you very much. From your post here it seems that you've gone off your medication, seeing those commies under couch again, are we?
While you're under there, get out those sheets (KKK outfit) you hide from the company and wash them. They're as smelly as your opinion......
Not as smelly as the folks you used to work for found you - that's why you had to 'retire' - you were totally out of touch.........
You keep ranting and raving in your root cellar, sad sack. Keep that loaded gun next to ya cos some commie might be coming to your door and you might have to do something drastic....
Ain't paranoia and survivalist-mania wunnerful??????

 

[Dragonlipz]

Well, this is doubtless the most quoted I've ever been in a single thread! <taking a bow>........Carney

Dude, it's not an honor to be a clueless asshole, but, for you, that's an upgrade. Still, considering the circumstance:
Defending a TOTAL TOOL, it might be a wash.....

 

[stephen55]

Wwad?

amicus, I think you should spend more time at The Ayn Rand Institute.

I understand that there once was a Nathaniel Branden Institute (her once number two guy in charge) that popularized and promoted Objectivism. However, when Ayn discovered that Nathaniel (married), with whom she was cheating on her husband, was also cheating on her (Ayn) by bedding a much younger and better looking than Ayn actress, she excommunicated the guy. Then, taking a page from Stalin's book (he removed Trotsky from the collective memory of Soviet Marxist-Leninism) she airbrushed the guy from everything to do with her Objectivist Collective Cult. But I digress...

ami, you're spending time engaging people who disagree with you. That is so non Ayn Rand!! What would Ayn do? (WWAD)

"You know what my policy is?" asked Rand. "I don't deal with those who disagree." ( Walker, Jeff, The Ayn Rand Cult, CARUS PUBLISHING (Dec 30 1998) p. 251.)

And one more comment, I read she was against government and incensed at the idea of taxation. Did that make her an anarchist? Just wonderin'....

Get with her program, ami. You've strayed. She would not be amused.

 

[Carnevil9]

Fuck you, you obsolete, outdated, prune-skinned, anachronistic piece of shit.

Wow! You sure know how to take the high ground and debate with cold, hard, logical facts!

 

[DeeZire]

Wow! You sure know how to take the high ground and debate with cold, hard, logical facts!

Ami doesn't come here to discuss cold, hard, logical facts, he comes here to insult liberals. Apparently, you failed to notice that Ami called a certain guy's wife ugly. Is that an accepted debate tactic? How would you react if someone called your friend's wife ugly? Would you stand up for her honor, like IrezumiKiss did?

Calling a guy's wife ugly is nothing more than a playground taunt, which, according you you, is considered "taking the high ground" if it happens to come from a conservative wingnut. Have you no shame, Carney? Have you no honor?
(Rhetorical questions - no need to reply. The answer is obvious.)