Smiling models at the end...

grdas

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Hey, first let me say that my experience with bdsm of any sort is limited at best. I've watched some of those free samples that the porn sites put out, which is both the extent of my investigation and what I'm basing this post on.

Anyway, the various sub-sites of kink.com (Designated by the big red K in the corner) put out video clips that seem to follow a set pattern; the highlights of the bondage, followed by a session where we see the models involved all cute and bubbly and enthusiastic about the experience that they've had. Now, like all aspects of porn, just how genuine these expressions are is suspect. However, I still find myself going weak at the knees seeing these women confirm just how a great a time they were having, and I wanted to discuss why that's the case, for me and for anyone else who mixes some sweetness with their sadism.

Part of me wants to view it as a release; the torture builds up tension, each act making me increasingly uncomfortable until finally that wink at the end washes it all away. It serves as both the climax and the denoument, the orgasm and the post-coital cuddle. Its appeal lies in its narrative role, in its happy ending, and moreover in its ability to leave me with the concept that my fascination with bdsm is merely a horrified curiosity, but this denies the genuine satisfaction I get from seeing bound women being hurt. There's some discomfort with my enjoyment of this, certainly, but that does not change the fact that I am very much on the side of the aggressor in these videos, and I know it. So, it seems that the release of tension idea doesn't not fully explain it.

A lot of what keeps bondage bearable to watch is the idea that the participants are loving it, that the women involved really DO want to be treated this way. Personally, it's not so much the power trip that does it but this gradual realization that women are not nearly as fragile and simple as little grdas believed them to be. In that way, seeing models with flushed faces relishing the caning they just had becomes not a lamentable loss of innocence but an intimate peeling away of these broad gender characteristics I had lobbed around as a child. I mean, I'm running the risk of lobbing those again with this statement, but there's something strangely, deeply erotic about the complication that masochism brings to sex. So, in that sense, perhaps the reason I love these review sessions at the end of bondage videos because it makes the victims less victims and more partners. Again, freeing me from all the guilt of sadism, but instead of just denying my enjoyment of it, it makes the enjoyment mutual.

And yet, I sometimes just skip to the end, ignoring the bondage altogether, in favor of seeing the instant reconcilliation. Maybe I just like seeing a bunch of women sitting around naked being affectionate towards each other. Maybe I just like people talking about sex more than them actually having it. Either way, it's a complicated situation, and I'm wondering why you all like or dislike it.

If this is rambling, I apologize. It's quite late.
 
OK, How I like to see a woman after I am done working over:

A glazed, slightly lost look on her face... often so out of it talking is not so easy... and completely vulnerable and devoted...

usually trembling....

*sigh* its been far too long.
 
Addendum... if she was all bubbly and shit immediately after a scene I would think that i didn't push hard enough.
 
I think those shots are there simply for the 'hey, she consented to this, and look, she's perfectly ok' factor.
 
Hey, first let me say that my experience with bdsm of any sort is limited at best. I've watched some of those free samples that the porn sites put out, which is both the extent of my investigation and what I'm basing this post on.

Anyway, the various sub-sites of kink.com (Designated by the big red K in the corner) put out video clips that seem to follow a set pattern; the highlights of the bondage, followed by a session where we see the models involved all cute and bubbly and enthusiastic about the experience that they've had. Now, like all aspects of porn, just how genuine these expressions are is suspect. However, I still find myself going weak at the knees seeing these women confirm just how a great a time they were having, and I wanted to discuss why that's the case, for me and for anyone else who mixes some sweetness with their sadism.

Part of me wants to view it as a release; the torture builds up tension, each act making me increasingly uncomfortable until finally that wink at the end washes it all away. It serves as both the climax and the denoument, the orgasm and the post-coital cuddle. Its appeal lies in its narrative role, in its happy ending, and moreover in its ability to leave me with the concept that my fascination with bdsm is merely a horrified curiosity, but this denies the genuine satisfaction I get from seeing bound women being hurt. There's some discomfort with my enjoyment of this, certainly, but that does not change the fact that I am very much on the side of the aggressor in these videos, and I know it. So, it seems that the release of tension idea doesn't not fully explain it.

A lot of what keeps bondage bearable to watch is the idea that the participants are loving it, that the women involved really DO want to be treated this way. Personally, it's not so much the power trip that does it but this gradual realization that women are not nearly as fragile and simple as little grdas believed them to be. In that way, seeing models with flushed faces relishing the caning they just had becomes not a lamentable loss of innocence but an intimate peeling away of these broad gender characteristics I had lobbed around as a child. I mean, I'm running the risk of lobbing those again with this statement, but there's something strangely, deeply erotic about the complication that masochism brings to sex. So, in that sense, perhaps the reason I love these review sessions at the end of bondage videos because it makes the victims less victims and more partners. Again, freeing me from all the guilt of sadism, but instead of just denying my enjoyment of it, it makes the enjoyment mutual.

And yet, I sometimes just skip to the end, ignoring the bondage altogether, in favor of seeing the instant reconcilliation. Maybe I just like seeing a bunch of women sitting around naked being affectionate towards each other. Maybe I just like people talking about sex more than them actually having it. Either way, it's a complicated situation, and I'm wondering why you all like or dislike it.

If this is rambling, I apologize. It's quite late.

Your post made me smile. There is a mix of innocence, conflict and need in what you posted. As a sexual masochist, all i know is that my body is wired differently from most people i know. Pain makes me wet. The culmination of pain eventually released through orgasm (if i have been good :D) provides for the most amazing sex i have ever had. If there were not people who didn't mind slapping a girl around and telling her exactly what to do, i would not get to experience the intense highs that come with this flavor of sex. i don't view it as a complicated situation at all. In fact, i find it quite simple. Yin and Yang so to speak. my needs and His needs fit together like puzzle pieces. i wish you luck on your future exploration of BDSM and your own sexuality.
 
OK, How I like to see a woman after I am done working over:

A glazed, slightly lost look on her face... often so out of it talking is not so easy... and completely vulnerable and devoted...

usually trembling....

*sigh* its been far too long.

*sighs* i remember that "slightly lost look" on my own face....

anyway, i don't think i was ever giddy or "bubbly" after a scene, i believe that is put on in the porno's for who knows what reason but the ending of an intense scene for me, as i remember it, was always me being "distant" listening to the sound of His voice try to soothe me back to reality, hearing Him tell me how proud of me He was for going "just a little further this time" the feel of His hands carressing me, rubbing all of the "ouchies" He had inflicted. curling up in His arms and just knowing i was His. i don't think those online porn movies even begin to capture the true essence of this lifestyle. but i do think the reason you are so "into" the end result of the scene is because as You said, it puts both people on the same playing level and shows that it is indeed a partnership. both people basking in the magic that is their relationship, their love for each other and devotion of the subbie. there's nothing like it, imo. i know i'm probably rambling.....but wanted to share my two cents anyway.....
 
Neci: Greatly appreciated. And, like I mentioned in my first post, the idea that there are women like you, or similar to you, that if not necessarily leap into masochism full-on enjoy the rougher side of intimacy is something that's made me very happy. However, and this may just be the lingering Christianity in me, it feels like masochism is a more morally defensible quirk than sadism, and although I might end up satisfying someone who enjoys pain, their satisfaction is not my primary objective. It's to hurt, and in the confines of a consenting bondage relationship that's fine, but how much does it bleed in to other parts of my life? How "okay" is it for me to need break someone down to be happy, or at least being happy breaking someone down? And what does this say about me? Where does this need come from?

These aren't questions I necessarily want to know the answers to, even if they were readily apparent through the web of instinct, social forces and neuroses I've got going for me. I guess I have realized why I enjoy these apparently unrealistic (You mean, porn might have misled me about some facet of sex? I feel betrayed) depictions; they let me put those concerns on hold, and do so with bubbly naked people. So yeah, thanks fellas.

Also, I feel a bit embarassed about how focused this topic has been on myself. So, if y'all don't mind, tell me more about this lovely, frosted, post-bdsm state.
 
Neci: Greatly appreciated. And, like I mentioned in my first post, the idea that there are women like you, or similar to you, that if not necessarily leap into masochism full-on enjoy the rougher side of intimacy is something that's made me very happy. However, and this may just be the lingering Christianity in me, it feels like masochism is a more morally defensible quirk than sadism, and although I might end up satisfying someone who enjoys pain, their satisfaction is not my primary objective. It's to hurt, and in the confines of a consenting bondage relationship that's fine, but how much does it bleed in to other parts of my life? How "okay" is it for me to need break someone down to be happy, or at least being happy breaking someone down? And what does this say about me? Where does this need come from?

These aren't questions I necessarily want to know the answers to, even if they were readily apparent through the web of instinct, social forces and neuroses I've got going for me. I guess I have realized why I enjoy these apparently unrealistic (You mean, porn might have misled me about some facet of sex? I feel betrayed) depictions; they let me put those concerns on hold, and do so with bubbly naked people. So yeah, thanks fellas.

Also, I feel a bit embarassed about how focused this topic has been on myself. So, if y'all don't mind, tell me more about this lovely, frosted, post-bdsm state.

I don't know if masochism is more morally defensible. I don't readily broadcast my interests in that regard to my friends, specially after I head one comment along the lines of 'people who like being hurt must be messed up and just can't do it to themselves' from a friend of a friend.

Though, thinking about the bubbly naked people on Kink.com, has gotten me thinking that they also show the aftercare when things go wrong, and I like that more than I like the bubblies.
 
The version of BDSM my PYL and I live mixes a ton of nasty with a ton of nice. I find that when we have a more extreme session then we naturally find ourselves being more loving, affectionate and yes, in my case even bubbly. I think it is because of the extreme of emotion that intense play brings out.

When are play is less intense then the corresponding afterplay is less intensely emotional, too. I don't get giddy and bubbly then.
 
I absolutely think that bubbly and laughing is a realistic response among people who are not necessarily emotionally bonded but having a good time at work. I think the endings at kink.com are in keeping with the wrapups to the pro scenes I did a lot of the time.

Endorphins are fucking fun stuff for people who like playing with them. Laughter is a reasonable way to blow off steam. There are easier ways to make money than being beaten on moderately hard, so I think most people doing those shoots are kind of pervy.
 
Hey grdas,

I too can relate to your words, ‘Part of me wants to view it as a release; the torture builds up tension, each act making me increasingly uncomfortable until finally that wink at the end washes it all away.’




It was with great shock that I found this bit of internet history.



Some of the people at Kink.com were once part of a website called ‘Insex’.

‘pd’ the leader at ‘Insex’ was accused of financially punishing his models when they used their ‘safewords’.

In other words, the allegation was that he would stop when they asked but he would stop the shoot entirely and not invite them back.

So they either endured his cruelty or they did not get paid…

To make matters worse: Someone in the government sent him a warning letter to cease all commerce. This warning was supposedly based on an irrelevant and rather unbelievable allegation (in my opinion).

However it went; he did shut down ‘Insex’…

Shorty after: Kink.com came into existence…

…And so did the video testimonials of ‘how much fun’ everyone had.




There is a documentary made about it called ‘Graphic Sexual Horror’.

http://www.graphicsexualhorror.com/content/press
 
In other words, the allegation was that he would stop when they asked but he would stop the shoot entirely and not invite them back.

So they either endured his cruelty or they did not get paid…

Ok. I found that rather hot.

:confused: :rolleyes: :cool:
 
Ok. I found that rather hot.

:confused: :rolleyes: :cool:


Heh...Heh...Heh...

So do many other models, riggers and viewers.

Today, 'Kink.com' is an umbrella organization that hosts (What/) eighteen websites devoted to D/s.

And that doesn't include many other independent sites...
 
Heh...Heh...Heh...

So do many other models, riggers and viewers.

Today, 'Kink.com' is an umbrella organization that hosts (What/) eighteen websites devoted to D/s.

And that doesn't include many other independent sites...

Yuh, I browse their work regularly and do enjoy it :D

I was more commenting on the blackmail factor.
 
Yuh, I browse their work regularly and do enjoy it :D

I was more commenting on the blackmail factor.

Actually, Big Brother got these people to follow the rules.

It may have been inept and bumbling on their part but it was successful.

It is only in fiction that blackmail works as a turn on.

The keys phrases that I play by are:

1. Safe, Sane, Consensual.

2. Risk Aware Consensual Kink
 
Actually, Big Brother got these people to follow the rules.

It may have been inept and bumbling on their part but it was successful.

It is only in fiction that blackmail works as a turn on.

The keys phrases that I play by are:

1. Safe, Sane, Consensual.

2. Risk Aware Consensual Kink


I know that. It's strictly wank material. I have lot more heavier stuff than that I use too!

Ummm, I'm not so much SSC. A lot of what I like is only safe and sane within certain parameters, and certainly wouldn't seem to be either to the wider population. I prefer to be risk aware. To know what that thing is probably going to do to me, and asking for it anyway.
 
I absolutely think that bubbly and laughing is a realistic response among people who are not necessarily emotionally bonded but having a good time at work. I think the endings at kink.com are in keeping with the wrapups to the pro scenes I did a lot of the time.

Endorphins are fucking fun stuff for people who like playing with them. Laughter is a reasonable way to blow off steam. There are easier ways to make money than being beaten on moderately hard, so I think most people doing those shoots are kind of pervy.

What she said.

I think those shots are there simply for the 'hey, she consented to this, and look, she's perfectly ok' factor.

And this, too.
 
I know that. It's strictly wank material. I have lot more heavier stuff than that I use too!

Heh...Heh...Sorry, I misunderstood...


Ummm, I'm not so much SSC. A lot of what I like is only safe and sane within certain parameters, and certainly wouldn't seem to be either to the wider population. I prefer to be risk aware. To know what that thing is probably going to do to me, and asking for it anyway.

Uh...I'd call that consenting
 
Uh...I'd call that consenting

Ummm, yeah, but that's only a third of SSC isn't it? And I made no comment on the consentual part. Just the safe and sane.

Whereas I commented on RACK and my preference for that concept as a whole .. as in knowing the risk, and consenting.

Am I really coming across as that difficult to understand?
 
Ummm, yeah, but that's only a third of SSC isn't it? And I made no comment on the consentual part. Just the safe and sane.

Whereas I commented on RACK and my preference for that concept as a whole .. as in knowing the risk, and consenting.

Am I really coming across as that difficult to understand?



No, not at all
I believe we were talking of different things at the same time, is all.

You are talking about adults who are engaged in ‘risky’ play.
I was talking about accusations of real life blackmail.

The trailer of ‘Graphic Sexual Horror’ reads:
“There is a SAFEWORD to stop the torture but how far will your greed take you?”
http://www.graphicsexualhorror.com/content/trailers


As for SSC, I have always looked at BDSM play (for me) as using all three concepts as one synergistic whole.

Perhaps it is I who have not been clear...
 
No, not at all
I believe we were talking of different things at the same time, is all.

You are talking about adults who are engaged in ‘risky’ play.
I was talking about accusations of real life blackmail.

The trailer of ‘Graphic Sexual Horror’ reads:
“There is a SAFEWORD to stop the torture but how far will your greed take you?”
http://www.graphicsexualhorror.com/content/trailers


As for SSC, I have always looked at BDSM play (for me) as using all three concepts as one synergistic whole.

Perhaps it is I who have not been clear...

Mmmm, I assumed you were diverging when you mentioned the things you play by.

That site is mad... Princess Donna looks so young!
 
That site is mad... Princess Donna looks so young!


Even though I’ll bet she is in her thirties, Princess Donna does look young and so do the rest of the regular women.

I find it interesting that all the women at Kink.com are young and fit.
The women also take both top and bottom roles.

The regular guys seem to be large, straight and top (and sometimes older).
I’ve observed that the straight submissive guys tend toward the slight side.
I don’t believe that I have seen a large older guy submit…


(I don’t go the gay side of the site so I can’t comment on that.)
 
interesting comments about kink.com vids and Torment, that's an interesting comment you made about the former version of it.

One of the reasons I like kink.com is that the models do seem to be willing and into it, and also that there are careful concerns about the models during the scenes.

I also noticed that there is this set formula and if you read the stuff on the site about working for them you will see why. The rules about when, how and in what circumstances a model can cry are pretty explicit, as are rules about reminding models about their safeword and allowing anyone on set to stop the action. the safeword doesn;t mean a complete ceasing of action.

of course what they say and how they operate may be different, have there been stories about bad experiences recently?

here's the link...

http://beta.kink.com/k/shooting_rules.jsp

and yeah... I looked because I wondered what the model criteria was. I figure that since I'm not ginger lynne, I ain't gonna be taken on :D
 
personally i find those smiling/perky scenes at the end to be highly irritating, and to completely defeat the purpose of any of the physical activities engaged in prior to that point. i understand the legalese behind why they do it, but it makes everything 100% fun and games, and folks like me this way of life is not about fun and games.

my Master and i both enjoyed the original insex site, where it was clear that quite often the women involved were not having a grand old time, that they were being pushed and challenged, and that the men using them were relishing their suffering thoroughly...for me, that is far more realistic than "okay let's do this here for fun, and when i say "red!" stop, okay?" and then everyone hugs and laughs at the end. :rolleyes:

but because the insex depictions were so realistic and honest in their harshness (and i'll admit, sometimes cruelty), we always knew their days were numbered. thank goodness we saved what we could. :D
 
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