Christain Porn

[xssve]

I was researching Christian attitudes towards violence, but my naturally dirty mind soon grew weary of the slaughter, and I ended up looking at some of the more sex-positive Christian websites, readings of scriptures, etc.

In short, plot bunnies abound, and it seems a lot of Christians struggle with these issues secretly, while the anti-sex faction gets all the press.

I'm curious if anybody else want's to discuss this.

I found this website to be particularly interesting: http://www.biblicalsexuality.com/home18.htm

Also see Onan's Sin on this page: http://www.usbible.com/usbible/prophecy.htm#sex

"Spilling his seed" is the least disturbing thing about this story, which it seems, isn't about birth control at all but about the complications involved in preserving bloodlines.

It concludes with a particularly interesting analysis of Mosaic law regarding seminal discharge, for which the punishment is not death, as the story of Onan has been broadly interpreted to imply, but a bath.

 

[xssve]

I meant "Christian" of course.

 

[PoppingTom]

Can you please tell an uninformed something from Germany where's the difference between ordinary and Christian porn ? If Christian porn exists anyway, there must be communistic porn, too.

 

[stephen55]

It' simple, actually...

Can you please tell an uninformed something from Germany where's the difference between ordinary and Christian porn ? If Christian porn exists anyway, there must be communistic porn, too.

Ordinary porn: fuck, fuck, fuck....I'm Coming!!!
Christian porn: Sweet Jesus....I'm Coming!!!
Communist porn: Where are your Come Papers!!

 

[PoppingTom]

Ordinary porn: fuck, fuck, fuck....I'm Coming!!!
Christian porn: Sweet Jesus....I'm Coming!!!
Communist porn: Where are your Come Papers!!

Ok, again, I've learned something ....

 

[Stella_Omega]

I found a very good blog on BDSM-- Christian BDSM.

I have known BDSM people who were Christian, and I can easily imagine that they would find it a struggle to find a balance between what they are doing-- which has not one thing to do with their Bible anyway-- and what their churches and preachers tell them-- which equally has not one thing to do with the bible in most cases.

 

[TxRad]

I found a very good blog on BDSM-- Christian BDSM.

I have known BDSM people who were Christian, and I can easily imagine that they would find it a struggle to find a balance between what they are doing-- which has not one thing to do with their Bible anyway-- and what their churches and preachers tell them-- which equally has not one thing to do with the bible in most cases.

Could you PM me the link, I have this monster of a Plot Bunny humping my leg all of a sudden.

 

[thelittledeadgirl]

Regarding the story of Onan's sin:

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=996669&d=1269056827

 

[damppanties]

Hmm. Interesting topic. I was recently having a conversation about how anal sex was not okay due to religious reasons. I guess masturbation didn't really fall into the prohibited realm. The general view is that if you feel the urge, you should find yourself a wife / husband. Until then I suppose you can indulge under extreme circumstances. But nothing about being killed for it, no.

I found the implements to prevent masturbation interesting though.

 

[Handley_Page]

From the Home page (http://www.biblicalsexuality.com/index.htm)

" If God had no marriage laws, and it rather was customary for men and women every day to take for themselves any mate they might be able to allure that day, what an insecure and frustrating world we would live in. "

As I understand it, God didn't have marriage laws (where did Adam & Even get married and who conducted the service?). The idea of a "union" of a man & a woman sworn to in public, is a lot older that the Bible. The original idea was for the god (or God) to bless the union and ensure a blood line.

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

I found the implements to prevent masturbation interesting though.

Not only implements to prevent, but surgical removal of the clitoris and lips were often done. It's really quite tragic.

Kellogg worked on the rehabilitation of masturbators, often employing extreme measures, even mutilation, on both sexes. He was an advocate of circumcising young boys to curb masturbation and applying phenol (carbolic acid) to a young woman's clitoris. In his Plain Facts for Old and Young,[5] he wrote
“ A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed. ”

and
“ In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. ”

He also recommended, to prevent children from this "solitary vice", bandaging or tying their hands, covering their genitals with patented cages, sewing the foreskin shut and electrical shock.[5]


from this wiki

Cereal anyone?

 

[stephen55]

My head hurts....

I found the implements to prevent masturbation interesting though.

Never could find one that worked. (sigh) Must have been my lack of trying.

It would be interesting to imagine the internet of the Victorian age. Would they have had web of pages of masturbation prevention devices? The new and improved self-immobilizing behind the back wrist restraints! Keep those filthy carnal hands away from yourself!! Wait a minute...you can get those things anywhere today. Except they're now called BDSM restraints.

As opposed to the web pages of today. The new and improved Keep Your Sub Under Control behind The back wrist restraints!! Wait a minute...the Victorians had them. How new are they?

And lets not get started on those Medieval Nunneries.

Okay, let's...

Oh, Sir Gyuanne, I've been ever so naughty! You must spank me!!
Uhh...no I shouldn't...
Yes!! Yes you must!! (And me too! Spank me too.)
Uhh...I'll think I'll be going now...
No!! You must stay! (Yes, you must! Stay and spank me!)
Me first! (No! Me first!)
I really must be going...well...maybe just one...

 

[PoppingTom]

I love the idea of Spanking papers

 

[bronzeage]

From the Home page (http://www.biblicalsexuality.com/index.htm)

" If God had no marriage laws, and it rather was customary for men and women every day to take for themselves any mate they might be able to allure that day, what an insecure and frustrating world we would live in. "

As I understand it, God didn't have marriage laws (where did Adam & Even get married and who conducted the service?). The idea of a "union" of a man & a woman sworn to in public, is a lot older that the Bible. The original idea was for the god (or God) to bless the union and ensure a blood line.

Marriage was not an issue until humans became aware of property and ownership. Marriage was a union of two families, not just two people. It was a way to justify who was entitled to a share of the family fortune and who was not.

 

[damppanties]

Not only implements to prevent, but surgical removal of the clitoris and lips were often done. It's really quite tragic.

Kellogg worked on the rehabilitation of masturbators, often employing extreme measures, even mutilation, on both sexes. He was an advocate of circumcising young boys to curb masturbation and applying phenol (carbolic acid) to a young woman's clitoris. In his Plain Facts for Old and Young,[5] he wrote
“ A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed. ”

and
“ In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. ”

He also recommended, to prevent children from this "solitary vice", bandaging or tying their hands, covering their genitals with patented cages, sewing the foreskin shut and electrical shock.[5]

Goodness.

Yes, well. The removal of the clitoris has been practiced in other cultures too. Not for masturbation though I think... probably because women have no right to sexual pleasure. Sex is for procreation.

Anyway, reading this excerpt made me think he was a pedophile. He thought too much about children and sex.

It would be interesting to imagine the internet of the Victorian age. Would they have had web of pages of masturbation prevention devices? The new and improved self-immobilizing behind the back wrist restraints! Keep those filthy carnal hands away from yourself!! Wait a minute...you can get those things anywhere today. Except they're now called BDSM restraints.

See, that's exactly it. I've been getting in touch with the BDSM side of me. That illustration was drool-worthy.

 

[DeeZire]

I wonder what ever happened to that LIT wanna-be Christian porn writer from a while back - you know, the one Ami took a shine to? Her kink was crucifix porn, but I don't believe she ever posted any. What a shame. I was so looking forward to it.

 

[Lalochezia]

There's some joke to be made about getting nailed, but I'm too lazy to make it.

 

[Guest]

There's some joke to be made about getting nailed, but I'm too lazy to make it.

I have about a dozen horrible jokes for this thread, but I'm afraid of the reaction they'd provoke.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Well with all the hype from the Davinci Code apparently Jesus was banging Mary Magelene.

Lot slept with his daughters and knocked them both up.

Abraham cheated on his wife and knocked up the servant.

David had one of his soldiers killed so he could bone the guys wife.

Solomon had orgies. (If he didnt then he should be ashamed of himself with so many wives and concubines hanging around.)

Cant think of anymore biblical relations to porn atm.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was remembering an incest story that Selena Kitt had written, that was about the daughter of a fundamentalist preacher-- but she's removed it. It's in this anthology though; Back To The Garden

Looking for it led me to one of the better threads this forum has ever hosted, long and almost entirely civil... That was before election year, I guess.

 

[xssve]

Well with all the hype from the Davinci Code apparently Jesus was banging Mary Magelene.

Lot slept with his daughters and knocked them both up.

Abraham cheated on his wife and knocked up the servant.

David had one of his soldiers killed so he could bone the guys wife.

Solomon had orgies. (If he didnt then he should be ashamed of himself with so many wives and concubines hanging around.)

Cant think of anymore biblical relations to porn atm.

I believe that was another Mary, there were Two - the Magdalene is suspected to have been a pagan priestess, either a convert or a liaison, the other Mary would have been of the House of David, probably a Macabee.

Anyway, the plot bunnies I was thinking about have nothing to do with the misogynistic practices hat crept in later, in fact, it's a misnomer the things I'm thinking of "Christian" since they're basically Jewish practices that applied at the time particular books, etc., were written. The Hebrews had plenty of misogynistic practices, but I don't think orgasm denial was one of them, and they strike me as more erotiphilic than erotophobic in general.

There was a lot of conflict at that time, warring between neighboring tribes, it probably the time where polygyny become common, both due to a higher attrition rate among males, and an influx of captured female slaves from surrounding tribes with whom the tribes of Israel were in conflict.

One repeated theme concerns marriage - in essence, to "come in unto" a woman was to marry her - if she was a virgin. i.e., if you raped a virgin, she had to marry you, shit like that.

One practice concerning captured virgin slaves was that they had to "shave their heads and pare their nails" and spend a month mourning their families, at the end of which period their master would "come in unto them" and make them wives.

Women were slave for life, men were limited to a Seven year term, and a male slave could be given a female slave to marry, but if his Seven years were up, he had to either divorce her or remain a slave.

Anyway, it has all kinds of interesting possibilities in terms of say a modern sect, practicing consensual BDSM according to these biblical precepts - you'd definitely have to stifle you PC urges somewhat, but it strikes me as a lot more interesting than the usual David Koresh/FLDS polygyny model, where a patriarchal male or males try to monopolize a bunch of women at once, this would lean a little more towards a poly model, i.e., a bunch of Christians trying to get their freak on while following biblical strictures.

Anyway, tastefully handled, I think it would make an interesting frame, it does expand the possibilities for Christians who seem to always get saddled with the usual egomaniacal demagogues playing Old Testament Patriarch, simply due to lack of less extreme alternatives.

Some sites to look at if you're interested are Taken in Hand, a Christian BDSM website, and Sweet Christians, a sex and erotica positive website that looks like they could use some content - they have one page of chick rolling around on a bed naked, they might jump at literary erotica, it's often easier to justify pure fantasy.

 

[xssve]

It might just turn out to be a can of worms, but apparently, there is a market there, it's just a shy one with a lot of obscure restrictions that require attention.

 

[xssve]

Just as an example: currently, the demagogic attitude towards GLBT is zero tolerance, and attempts at "conversion" have met with little success - on the other hand, a couple of bi-curious Christian girls might be amenable to being "converted" by a guy (or vice versa), which creates all sorts of interesting possibilities, i.e., they would of course, backslide occasionally, creating opportunities for interesting punishment and reconversion, etc. i.e., it creates a certain tension, while stressing the forgiveness aspect of it, which what is missing in demagogic Christianity.

It's an outwardly hetero-normative approach, but it does create a little space that currently simply doesn't appear to exist.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Stella_Omega]

The assumption here is that Christians somehow see sex as in someway wrong. I'll be the first to say that when it comes to my theology I'm somewhere to the right of the Spanish Inquisition. Right is right, wrong is wrong and those of us embracing wrong should just shut up and accept the fact that we're wrong!

That said, what a husband and wife do together -provided no one else is harmed- is perfectly fine; BDSm included. The wife and I have spent many a Sunday afternoon post church service sceneing some pretty kinky scenes. She's gone from bound at the foot of the bed to Sunday school teacher. I've as fucked her while she was bound to a frame then untied her and ran off to serve communion. What we do we do from a love for one another. It's an expression of that love within the sanctioned and accepted institution of marriage as we believe in it.

There is no need to find balance. There is nothing to balance. There is just sexual expression between a man and a woman in a manner in which both can be comfortable.

It makes me pretty happy to see declarations like this!