Kent Conrad To House Dems: Yeah, No.

[BigGator5]

File This: "Conrad Still Can't Reconciliation With Democrats"

Conrad Predicts Senate Changes To Reconciliation Bill

Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said Thursday that it is unlikely the Senate will be able to pass a health care reconciliation bill unchanged from what the House passes.

Conrad said the Senate Parliamentarian has declined to make rulings on several issues in the bill that Republicans are likely to challenge under the "Byrd rule." That rule states that, among other things, every provision of a budget reconciliation bill must have a budget impact and cannot be "extraneous."

"Although we've spent many, many hours with the Parliamentarian, some things he has not yet rendered a conclusion" on, Conrad said. "He wants to hear from both sides before he does."

Conrad continued: "Do I expect there will be some additional Byrd rule challenges that will be upheld? Yeah. I do."

Remember people, this guy is the chairman of the Senate committee that has to pass the reconciliation package AFTER the House passes in order for it to get a 51-vote or better on the Senate floor. If it doesn't pass mustard with him or his committee, then it will need 60 votes to pass. And House Dems don't want to pass the Senate Bill unless the Senate agrees to pass their fixes.

...And in a rare Double Nomentum:

Rules Panel Dem To Vote Against Bill

Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY), a sophomore Dem who had a tougher-than-expected re-election bid in '08, has told the Dem caucus he will vote against the bill.

(snip)

Arcuri's vote will not hurt the bill's chances in committee, where Dems hold a 9-4 advantage over GOPers. The panel's other 8 Dems all voted for the first version of health care, and only Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-CA) voted in favor of the Stupak amendment.

But Arcuri's decision could make Speaker Nancy Pelosi's goal of winning the 216 votes necessary for passage all the more difficult. Sources say Dems remain short of the votes necessary for passage, but that they have not reached their goal yet.

This pretty much cancels out Kucinich's flip- err, sell-out.

 

[KRCummings]

File This: "Conrad Still Can't Reconciliation With Democrats"


Remember people, this guy is the chairman of the Senate committee that has to pass the reconciliation package AFTER the House passes in order for it to get a 51-vote or better on the Senate floor. If it doesn't pass mustard with him or his committee, then it will need 60 votes to pass. And House Dems don't want to pass the Senate Bill unless the Senate agrees to pass their fixes.

...And in a rare Double Nomentum:


This pretty much cancels out Kucinich's flip- err, sell-out.

Heh, you're an idiot.

 

[unregistered]

 

[BigGator5]

More Nomentum:

Lynch Mobbed

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) is a firm "no" on health care reform - in large measure because he opposes the idea of any kind of excise tax on Cadillac plans, even one that's delayed for years and years.

That's put Lynch a former ironworkers union official in Boston at odds with many union biggies, who are swallowing hard and accepting a proposed House-Senate compromise.

Lynch - who voted for the tax-less House bill last year - has become a serious target of his union buddies, enduring pickets at his district office, an AFL-CIO robocall blitz and at least one recent drop-in visit from a very influential old friend - Joseph J. Hunt, president of the International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers.

It would seem the Democrats have the votes now that they have posted the bill for review.

Doesn't mean shit. Democrats are flipping no.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Heh, you're an idiot.

File This: "Do You Have Any Grey Poupon?"

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/greypoupon.jpg

 

[BigGator5]

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/greypoupon.jpg

*grabs grey poupon and runs off*

 

[unregistered]

 

[trysail]

I swear to god, you can't make this stuff up:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said earlier this week that bypassing a direct vote on the Senate measure was an option because there are “a lot of people who don’t want to vote for it.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=a2CFuScQAu7Y

 

[MeeMie]

I think if they have the votes they may just pass the Senate bill, send it to the President, without regard for reconciliation, and never speak of it until after the election or beyond, teaching the Bluedogs a lesson in political trust.

Trust? They've got to be very naive to have any trust in anyone during this process.

Even Obama's recent statement about 72 hour notice is already being overruled by Hoyer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...12729080380.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLESecond

This will be slammed through any way possible.




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[busybody..]

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What Does “Reconciliation” Mean? Let’s Ask Saul Alinsky [Andy McCarthy]



I thought this was an interesting passage from Rules for Radicals by Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky, on “reconciliation” in our “world of irrationality” – in which the pragmatic radical is instructed to work within the system to achieve revolution:



It is a world not of angels but of angles, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles; a world where we are always moral and our enemies always immoral; a world where “reconciliation” means that when one side gets the power and the other side gets reconciled to it, then we have reconciliation

 

[MeeMie]

Tom Coburn Versus the Chicago Mafia


It is a virtual certainty that Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama are promising massive payoffs to Democrats in return for support on the ObamaCare Bill, and plum positions in the 111 new bureaucracies the bill creates for Democrats hounded out of office by the voters after voting for this hated bill.

Senator Tom Coburn has a warning for Democrats who accept Barry and Nancy's bribes.

"I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House.

If you voted no, and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal post isn't going to be held up in the Senate, I've got news for you. It's going to be held.

Number two is, if you get a parochial deal for you or your district, I've already instructed my staff that we will look at every appropriations bill, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. I want to tell you that your deal isn't going to happen.

And be prepared to defend selling your vote."​

http://www.moonbattery.com/ourcorruption.jpg

 

[unregistered]

 

[MeeMie]

I didn't say the Bluedogs would appreciate the lesson. It's possible this bill may not be reconciled.

Did you read this link?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...12729080380.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLESecond

 

[Xplorr7]

Tom Coburn Versus the Chicago Mafia


It is a virtual certainty that Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama are promising massive payoffs to Democrats in return for support on the ObamaCare Bill, and plum positions in the 111 new bureaucracies the bill creates for Democrats hounded out of office by the voters after voting for this hated bill.

Senator Tom Coburn has a warning for Democrats who accept Barry and Nancy's bribes.

"I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House.

If you voted no, and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal post isn't going to be held up in the Senate, I've got news for you. It's going to be held.

Number two is, if you get a parochial deal for you or your district, I've already instructed my staff that we will look at every appropriations bill, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. I want to tell you that your deal isn't going to happen.

And be prepared to defend selling your vote."​

http://www.moonbattery.com/ourcorruption.jpg

Coburn is a good man.

Go to Hughhewitt.com for the vulnerable Dems. It ain't over!

 

[Sonny Limatina]

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What Does “Reconciliation” Mean? Let’s Ask Saul Alinsky [Andy McCarthy]



I thought this was an interesting passage from Rules for Radicals by Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky, on “reconciliation” in our “world of irrationality” – in which the pragmatic radical is instructed to work within the system to achieve revolution:



It is a world not of angels but of angles, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles; a world where we are always moral and our enemies always immoral; a world where “reconciliation” means that when one side gets the power and the other side gets reconciled to it, then we have reconciliation

"Obama's mentor."

This can only have been written by a guy without a calculator, a map of the U.S., or an internet connection. And yet he can type on a computer. Only in America!

By the way, conservatives, help me on this: is the William F. Buckley who called Alinsky a "genius" the William F. Buckley?

Obama's just like Alinsky, right? I guess you're calling him a genius, then. Cool.

 

[MeeMie]

Healthcare Bill Clears Hurdle,

Move to Block "Deemed Passed" Fails



The House voted 222-203 today to keep the doors open for passage of health care via the "Slaughter Solution" – which allows the Senate health care bill to be deemed as passed in the House without an up or down vote. The bill would have forced Democrats to allow an up or down vote on health care before it was considered passed. Six members did not vote.



The vote came in the midst of another war between parties over the CBO scoring of the health care legislation – Democrats began leaking numbers before the CBO released the official estimate and before Senate Republicans were even able to see the report.


After the vote, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer informed members that the House could have recorded votes as early as 10 a.m. Saturday, and they will also be in session on Sunday.

72 Hours posted online for everyone to see???

 

[MeeMie]

Coburn is a good man.

Go to Hughhewitt.com for the vulnerable Dems. It ain't over!

Here's the link and complete quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA0EOugizPY


Transcript SEN. TOM COBURN (R), OKLAHOMA:

I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House.

If you voted no and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal position isn’t going to be held in the Senate, I’ve got news for you. It’s going to be held.

Number two is, if you get a deal, a parochial deal for you or your district, I’ve already instructed my staff and the staff of seven other senators that we will look at every appropriations bill, at every level, at every instance, and we will outline it by district, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote.

So, if you think you can cut a deal now, and it not come out until after the election, I want to tell you that isn’t going to happen. And be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House.

 

[Powertone]

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interesting passage from Rules for Radicals by Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky, on “reconciliation” in our “world of irrationality” – in which the pragmatic radical is instructed to work within the system to achieve revolution:



It is a world not of angels but of angles, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles; a world where we are always moral and our enemies always immoral; a world where “reconciliation” means that when one side gets the power and the other side gets reconciled to it, then we have reconciliation

that sums up this administration to a T

 

[unregistered]

 

[MeeMie]

Georgia Rep. Paul Braun had this to say:

"I have three simple questions Ms Pelosi. Are you so arrogant that you think you know what's best for the American people? Are you so ignorant that you are oblivious to the wishes of the American people? And are you so incompetent that you are going to ignore the Constitution of the United States, use tricks, deceptions, bald faced lies to try to ram down the throat of the American people something that they do not want and is going to be absolutely worse for their healthcare?"

 

[MeeMie]

November Is Coming, Patriots


In these short hours before a vote that will affect the American health care system for decades to come, there are more ways to become active against ObamaCare than you can imagine. Here's another: www.novemberiscoming.com , which allows you to sign a petition that reads:

Dear Member of Congress:
Your vote isn't the only one that counts. November is coming and you can't hide from the voters. Corrupt backroom deals are driving a government takeover of our health care, and I don't like it. If you vote YES on the health care bill, I will vote NO on you in the next election.​