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[TJChurch]

I just wanted to advertise, & encourage work on, 2 stories I recently took-over.

One is the should-be-very-attractive "Reader's Choice". It is described as a place "Where the reader is sort of the writer!".

Then, there is "Fugitive". I myself am not really sure where the fugitive part of it comes in, but there is plenty of time & space for twists & turns.

Lastly, I appreciate feedback as much as the next guy... But perhaps, just tell me the problems you have if you give me negative feedback instead of telling me how to fix it. Most recently, I found feedback telling me rules to learn & commenting on my lack of skill... Upon checking the thread, I noticed no such problems.

 

[TJChurch]

Do writers a favor, & put your name at the end of Feedback. That way, if you correct us on something that doesn't require it, we can contact you to correct that correction

 

[TJChurch]

Do writers a favor, & put your name at the end of Feedback. That way, if you correct us on something that doesn't require it, we can contact you to correct that correction

My mistake; When I asked for people to sign Feedback, I thought there was a way to search CHYOO, so I could then return the favor, & show them they have the same problems they (often wrongly) accuse me of having.

 

[Menoetes]

You use feedback to get back at people for correcting you? Most of my feedback is just people saying they liked the chapter or suggesting ways it could continue, the few corrections I've had I've been grateful for.

I do like it when people sign their feedback though, so I can thanks them for it or return the favour by reading some of their work and commenting on what I liked about it.

 

[TJChurch]

You use feedback to get back at people for correcting you? Most of my feedback is just people saying they liked the chapter or suggesting ways it could continue, the few corrections I've had I've been grateful for.

I do like it when people sign their feedback though, so I can thanks them for it or return the favour by reading some of their work and commenting on what I liked about it.

I'd love to be able to thank people for the feedback I am able to use, but most don't sign it.

Regardless, I wouldn't be thanking most of the people for the feedback they've given me; It's usually negative, & they give me reasons (bad grammar, punctuation, etc.), but when I check the thread by all rules of English, I still see no mistakes. (I usually wonder if I got these comments from 1 of the many writers on CHYOO that has written the threads I see in stories I contribute to that have several mistakes like these, & they are telling me of the problems they think my work has that they don't see in their own.)

 

[BenjiDude]

Don't take this the wrong way TJ but sometimes we can't the tress through the forest. I know in the past I've pointed out a mistake to someone (this was on another forum) about a simple typo, they looked at it and couldn't see it, and it wasn't till I quoted their original passage and duplicated it with the correction bolded that they actually saw it.

Just because you can't see any mistakes doesn't mean there aren't any.

 

[Menoetes]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just one critic of you work leaving all the feedback TJChurch, I remember a thread on this forum a while back (can't be bothered dredging about for it now) where a bunch of authors got into a grammatical frenzy correcting each other, then taking revenge on one another by correcting each others corrections. It got a bit out of hand….

I think if it reads smoothly enough, it doesn't have to be the precise Kings English. I also agree with BenjiDude when he says we can sometimes miss our mistakes even when we are looking straight at them, I go over my work to every few months and fix errors I've missed even though I've read it over several times before.

I am almost certain that you only have one or two harsh critics leaving you that feedback correcting you, at least one of my stories was popular for a few months and I haven’t received a grammatical or spelling error feedback at all.

…but then again I haven’t written nearly as many stories as you…

Writers note: Talking about grammar and spelling made me so self-conscious, I actually ended up copying this into MS Word to check it and make sure I hadn’t made any obvious ones myself. We shouldn’t get this worked up it kills my creative spirit and that bitch is already fickle and unreliable enough!

 

[TJChurch]

Don't take this the wrong way TJ but sometimes we can't the tress through the forest. I know in the past I've pointed out a mistake to someone (this was on another forum) about a simple typo, they looked at it and couldn't see it, and it wasn't till I quoted their original passage and duplicated it with the correction bolded that they actually saw it.

Just because you can't see any mistakes doesn't mean there aren't any.

Yeah, but also... Just b/c someone does see it doesn't mean it actually exists; One of those rare cases where "2 wrongs may make a right". (Someone who is wrong that thinks mine's wrong = I'm fine.)

 

[BenjiDude]

I have no idea what it is you've just tried to say TJ.

 

[TJChurch]

I have no idea what it is you've just tried to say TJ.

What I'm bascially talking about (& see constantly) is the following:

Suppose you're bad at grammar. (Not saying you specifically are; Speaking hypothetically.) Not that you break the rules of grammar intentionally or anything, but can look at 2 versions of a sentence, for instance, & not know which is written correctly.

Then, you look at the way I've written a sentence in one of my threads, & think I've written it incorrectly, due to your lack of knowledge of what the correct way looks like. You therefore give me bad Feedback, & tell me my grammar is incorrect.

Just b/c you say it is doesn't mean it actually is. Additionally, if not for the bad grammar you believe you've seen, my thread would look fine to you, so this also removes any reason for giving me bad Feeback.

 

[BenjiDude]

That's fair enough but if you've been getting as much "incorrect" feedback as you say then does that not tell you something? Just because you believe you are correct doesn't make you correct. There's no shame or dishonour in being wrong, especially in the literacy field where there are so many rules and counter-rules.

 

[TJChurch]

That's fair enough but if you've been getting as much "incorrect" feedback as you say then does that not tell you something? Just because you believe you are correct doesn't make you correct. There's no shame or dishonour in being wrong, especially in the literacy field where there are so many rules and counter-rules.

I know there's no problems with being wrong, & I have none. What I have the problem with is being told I'm wrong when I'm not. (Oh, how I wish there were a way to delete such Feedback, along with any negatives you get that are correct to tell you problems, so you could delete it when you fix the problems.)

As Menoetes said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was 1 person leaving me the same type of feedback over the same types of problems, & that leaves a great chance they are seeing truly-nonexistent problems in every case.

Edit: I am even more sure of it now, as I got more negative Feedback, having complaints about the same things, & signed by people who are on my Forum "Ignore" list.

 

[TJChurch]

Add to that the fact that some of my threads (Ive just been looking over some) are properly-written (grammar, spelling, etc.), but then changed by the editors upon approval.

 

[Izanagi]

Let me get this straight: At least two users and at least a dozen editors (don't know how many editors have approved your threads, let alone edit them, is a dozen a safe bet?), and that's assuming the "people on your ignore list" are the least amount (two) and not editors, are all wrong when they say your grammar and punctuation isn't flawless. That's what you're saying, right?

If it is (excluding how wrong my numbers may be), read on; if not, don't bother and please clarify.

Let me ask another question: how did your head pass through your mother? There are about a thousand rules in the English language, and that's just spelling words, we're not even into grammar yet. The odds of a single person being wrong in at least one way about grammar is roughly 57%, whereas the odds of a group being wrong on the same thing is roughly 11% if they're individually motivated, 57% if they're following someone's lead. So, are you suggesting a group has been formed with the sole purpose being to unfairly comment on your threads and rate them poorly, or are you trying to say that this situation is one of those rare circumstances where the odds are irrevlevant? Either way, take a pin and prick your head to let the air out.

 

[TJChurch]

Let me get this straight: At least two users and at least a dozen editors (don't know how many editors have approved your threads, let alone edit them, is a dozen a safe bet?), and that's assuming the "people on your ignore list" are the least amount (two) and not editors, are all wrong when they say your grammar and punctuation isn't flawless. That's what you're saying, right?

If it is (excluding how wrong my numbers may be), read on; if not, don't bother and please clarify.

Let me ask another question: how did your head pass through your mother? There are about a thousand rules in the English language, and that's just spelling words, we're not even into grammar yet. The odds of a single person being wrong in at least one way about grammar is roughly 57%, whereas the odds of a group being wrong on the same thing is roughly 11% if they're individually motivated, 57% if they're following someone's lead. So, are you suggesting a group has been formed with the sole purpose being to unfairly comment on your threads and rate them poorly, or are you trying to say that this situation is one of those rare circumstances where the odds are irrevlevant? Either way, take a pin and prick your head to let the air out.

Funny; When I read this in the E-mail I got about it, there was all kinds of crap about "spoiler" tags that I don't see here now.

Instead, all you've spoiled is the time I've wasted reading your crap.

 

[Torg]

In the many threads I've edited of TJChurch's, the biggest issue I've had is his use of the ampersand and numerals when 'and' and number words would be preferred.

Now, lilguy needs a heavy editing hand.

 

[Izanagi]

Funny; When I read this in the E-mail I got about it, there was all kinds of crap about "spoiler" tags that I don't see here now.

Instead, all you've spoiled is the time I've wasted reading your crap.

So now let me get this straight: you think it's crap, yet you bothered to respond? If you're trying to make me laugh at you, you're doing a great job. If you're being serious, you're failing miserably.

And enlighten me: what about it is "crap"? My analysis of your own words (which, thanks to BenjiDude, you've said repeatedly, thereby diminishing the odds of misinterpretation down to about 3%)? The simple rounded statistics based upon your own words, a brief scan around Chyoo, and a little math and know-how? Or the idea that you're not a narcissist?

Either way, what's truly funny, besides the fact that you responded to "crap," is the fact that your response doesn't address my post, but rather continues showcasing a child's whining because he's not getting what he wants, regardless of whether or not he's earned it. Perhaps if you kept your eyes open back in school you would have learned:
1.) How to properly respond to feedback.
2.) How to properly give feedback.

However, I will say this: upon further investigation of the forum, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the negative feedback on your grammar and punctuation, warranted or not*, has plenty to do with your attitude. I've noticed that almost every fight on the Chyoo forums involves you, and they're all fights you started over something stupid. Be it someone's on cloud nine for some reason related to Chyoo and you decide to destroy a brief moment of warranted self-appreciation or...something like this, where you whine non-stop and someone decides to put an end to it, but you continue to whine. As they say TJChurch, you reap what you sew, and the only seeds you sew are seeds of animosity, negativity, and disdain.

And until you stop sewing them and start acting like an adult, I wouldn't be surprised if you spend the rest of your life getting negative feedback for something like breathing.

*I'll be investigating this next and I'll post my results here later, after the colon: Torg's being polite, because a number of your threads (I haven't read them all) screech to the heavens that you slept through Language Arts class. Your grammar is okay at best (not counting the problems Torg already mentioned), so the comments on your grammar are mostly malicious in nature (mostly because you have written a few that aren't grammatically correct, however most, if not all, are rather common mistakes). Your punctuation, on the other hand, is the big issue. You have serious problems with quotation marks and the rules concerning them. That's your biggest problem and no doubt the source of most of the negative feedback. My advice: if you're so certain you're right, then post the rules concerning punctuation with quotation marks as you learned them and let the masses debate. If you're right, then the masses will agree with you and you can have your victory over these negative reviewers. And if you're wrong (which you claim to have no problem admitting), then you walk away smarter, wiser, and a better writer. Basically, if you truely have no problem admitting when you're in the wrong, then this is a no-lose situation for you.

 

[TJChurch]

I gotta tell you if you're wondering about my grammar, I wonder about yours. One of the editors I write for actually responded to a thread I wrote them in a way that sent me (by E-mail) links to a site (or part of one, NEway) that showed some of the rules they told me I was breaking. I read them both, & can only find situations where I break one.

Again, I think many of the cases (& I've seen them recently, efore I say this) are cases where people are seeing the threads after they've been approved, with the mistakes made during/around approval that I didn't make in my original drafts.

*Likewise, I wouldn;t take advice from you on acting like an adult, since it seems you have no idea how to do it, unless you simply choose not to.

**Also, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but will likewise not say that just because I am wrong in a hypothetical Situation A, that means I'm wrong in all of the Situations one may present to me.

 

[Izanagi]

I gotta tell you if you're wondering about my grammar, I wonder about yours. One of the editors I write for actually responded to a thread I wrote them in a way that sent me (by E-mail) links to a site (or part of one, NEway) that showed some of the rules they told me I was breaking. I read them both, & can only find situations where I break one.

Again, I think many of the cases (& I've seen them recently, efore I say this) are cases where people are seeing the threads after they've been approved, with the mistakes made during/around approval that I didn't make in my original drafts.

So you're going to continue to blame the editors, despite the fact that you claim to have no problem admitting when you're wrong. Again, you really are making me laugh; so either stop being a comedian if you're just acting like this or man up and admit your faults.

*Likewise, I wouldn;t take advice from you on acting like an adult, since it seems you have no idea how to do it, unless you simply choose not to.

As they say, "When the enemy won't fight on your level, you must fight the enemy on their level." So, yes, this is simply a choice so that you can actually understand me. I know I'm probably losing you when I use a word that's three syllables or more, but then again; it's called a dictionary.

**Also, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but will likewise not say that just because I am wrong in a hypothetical Situation A, that means I'm wrong in all of the Situations one may present to me.

Who's asking you to say at this point? I'm certainly not. I'm asking you to explain your stance on why you believe you're right. As I said; if you believe you're right and have no issue admitting you're wrong (should that actually become an issue), then teach us grammar as you learned it. If you truly have no doubt in yourself, then why hide from this challenge? It's much more beneficial to you if you simply take a stab at it. Even if you think I'm simply out to disgrace and defame you with this challenge (which I'm not, as a read through the forum has proven you can do that easily without me), by following through and accepting my challenge you have the entire forum at your disposal to prove me wrong. However, should hide despite your shows of absolute confidence in yourself and your ability, then this firm stance is destined to be viewed as nothing more than a tough facade standing on trembling legs which exists as a means to continue inflating your ego.

As I said, it's more beneficial to us all if you simply accept and end this parade of posts.

 

[TJChurch]

So you're going to continue to blame the editors, despite the fact that you claim to have no problem admitting when you're wrong. Again, you really are making me laugh; so either stop being a comedian if you're just acting like this or man up and admit your faults.

As I said, I will never have a problem admitting when I'm wrong, but I will also not give in every time someone points-out what they feel is a mistake, & when I check it, I still see none that I made.

As they say, "When the enemy won't fight on your level, you must fight the enmy on their level." So, yes, this is simply a choice so that you can actually understand me. I know I'm probably losing you when I use a word that's three syllables or more, but then again; it's called a dictionary.

I know plenty of words with plenty of syllables, & if that was an attempt at humor, keep working; Not funny yet. The choice I would be making to "understand" you (if I'm not doing so already) would not be an increase in intelligence on my part... Maybe that's the problem; You are underestimating your audience.

Who's asking you to say at this point? I'm certainly not.

It certainly appears so. We both admit I'm wrong in some cases, so you appear to have made the conclusion that in every case I'm told I'm wrong, I am in fact actually wrong, & there is little-to-no chance that the person telling me I'm incorrect is in fact the person who is incorrect.

I'm asking you to explain your stance on why you believe you're right. As I said; if you believe you're right and have no issue admitting you're wrong (should that actually become an issue), then teach us grammar as you learned it. If you truly have no doubt in yourself, then why hide from this challenge? It's much more beneficial to you if you simply take a stab at it.

Not hiding; Simply refusing to do what should be unnecessary. I am a lifelong citizen of the USA, & a graduate of an American school system. Not sure if different systems/states/countries teach things different;y, but as far as rules, I learned grammar, etc. the same as others.

Even if you think I'm simply out to disgrace and defame you with this challenge (which I'm not, as a read through the forum has proven you can do that easily without me)

I don't believe I am doing anything to disgrace/defame myself without you or others. In fact, looking at my feedback & other things throughout the forum proves that doing such things to many appears to be a popular thing, & (perhaps largely due to this thread, ones like it, & perhaps also some of my writing) I appear to have become a popular target.

by following through and accepting my challenge you have the entire forum at your disposal to prove me wrong.

With things such as grammar (where the rules are steadfast & run across all genres, etc.), I should not have need to prove you wrong. You should, like me, have no problem admitting when it happens. I have to wonder (at least "part of me" does) whether that isn't one reason you choose to go on attacking me in this way; Easier to continue going against a popular target than admit when they have rightfully corrected you.

However, should hide despite your shows of absolute confidence in yourself and your ability, then this firm stance is destined to be viewed as nothing more than a tough facade standing on trembling legs which exists as a means to continue inflating your ego.

I don't really care how you view my "stance"... Just like the very situations this thread discusses, seeing my writing viewed in a negative light when I know it not to be so means little to me. (Besides, I have little doubt that is the way some will view it but not others... And that the people who see it correctly &/or agree with the opinions/views I have expressed in this thread are quite possibly going to stay silent here, largely to save themselves from the same sort of reactions/treatments., or other types of negative views.)

As I said, it's more beneficial to us all if you simply accept and end this parade of posts.

Accept what? That I'm wrong? I have no problem accepting & admitting when I am wrong, but I also a not going to freely read a negative feedback (or a post here) telling me of/describing/pointing-out a mistake I made, & simply think, "Well, since I made a mistake in (this thread)", or "since this person pointed out the mistake I made in (this thread)", that they must then be right about the next one they show to me too.

 

[Izanagi]

I know plenty of words with plenty of syllables, & if that was an attempt at humor, keep working; Not funny yet. The choice I would be making to "understand" you (if I'm not doing so already) would not be an increase in intelligence on my part... Maybe that's the problem; You are underestimating your audience.

No, Church, I'm actually overestimating my audience. Between your typos, your contradictions, your narcissism, and your threads, I thought had a powerful grasp on how intelligent my audience. However, I was mistaken: I believed I was facing a man and I see before me a rat. And I've yet to even try and be funny, making it all that much funnier when you reply.

It certainly appears so. We both admit I'm wrong in some cases, so you appear to have made the conclusion that in every case I'm told I'm wrong, I am in fact actually wrong, & there is little-to-no chance that the person telling me I'm incorrect is in fact the person who is incorrect.

And now you've taken to putting words in my mouth. My conclusions are as follows:
1.) You get negative feedback on a number of threads; therefore the problem mentioned each time is similar.
2.) You then take this knowledge and hold true to the conviction that you're right; therefore you're saying a group of people has the better chance of being wrong than you.

Not hiding; Simply refusing to do what should be unnecessary. I am a lifelong citizen of the USA, & a graduate of an American school system. Not sure if different systems/states/countries teach things different;y, but as far as rules, I learned grammar, etc. the same as others.

You're using the American Educational System as your defense? Let me tell you something:
1.) George W. Bush, a chimpanzee, graduated Harvard Business School, one of the finest schools in the country, and went on to be President.
2.) President Obama supports the idea of firing the teachers in a Rhode Island school due to the fact that too many students are failing, despite the fact that science has concluded the problem isn't so much the school environment and its teachers as it is the home environment and the parents.
3.) Republicans. I shouldn't have to say more than that.
What do all three of these points have in common? Every person mentioned got their degrees through the American Educational System and they all demonstrate some form of idiocy. Do you still want to use it as a defense? Especially after noticing how many of your threads are fan-fics that are based upon characters from the leading cause of bad grades in students: the television, I can use that as a perfect offense if you put it on the table.

I don't believe I am doing anything to disgrace/defame myself without you or others. In fact, looking at my feedback & other things throughout the forum proves that doing such things to many appears to be a popular thing, & (perhaps largely due to this thread, ones like it, & perhaps also some of my writing) I appear to have become a popular target.

With things such as grammar (where the rules are steadfast & run across all genres, etc.), I should not have need to prove you wrong. You should, like me, have no problem admitting when it happens. I have to wonder (at least "part of me" does) whether that isn't one reason you choose to go on attacking me in this way; Easier to continue going against a popular target than admit when they have rightfully corrected you.

And with this I can safely conclude: you stroke your ego more than a man strokes his dick. You have yet to even correct me; all you're doing is saying I'm wrong and making insults I'd expect out a eight year old. So, are you saying your word is law or that anyone you insult is wrong? Either way, we're back on you being a narcissistic ninny. Further, if you really think you're not making a fool of yourself on the forum, then you may want to look up the word "denial," since nobody has diagnosed your case of it yet.

I don't really care how you view my "stance"... Just like the very situations this thread discusses, seeing my writing viewed in a negative light when I know it not to be so means little to me. (Besides, I have little doubt that is the way some will view it but not others... And that the people who see it correctly &/or agree with the opinions/views I have expressed in this thread are quite possibly going to stay silent here, largely to save themselves from the same sort of reactions/treatments., or other types of negative views.)

You view my negative feedback as meaningless and yet you're making a big deal out of all the negative feedback you've gotten. And you also claim to crave feedback and yet you're stating negative feedback on your stuff is wrong, that those who give it are wrong, and those who positively agree with you are right. I think at this point Pauly Shore could try and make me laugh and I still wouldn't stop laughing.

Accept what? That I'm wrong? I have no problem accepting & admitting when I am wrong, but I also a not going to freely read a negative feedback (or a post here) telling me of/describing/pointing-out a mistake I made, & simply think, "Well, since I made a mistake in (this thread)", or "since this person pointed out the mistake I made in (this thread)", that they must then be right about the next one they show to me too.

All I was talking about was, again, the challenge, since it was what I was talking about at the time. You couldn't even follow the simple concept of topicallity in a paragraph and you want me to believe all of this negative feedback is malicious and baseless?

And now, since you've denied the challenge that would only benefit you due to it being "unnecessary," I'll do this differently. A thread of yours I found with low ratings and an obvious number of punctuation errors:

http://www.chyoo.com/index.php/main.story.page/116794

Can you spot the problems TJChurch? If you can't, just say the word and I'll drop a hint right from a book on grammar.

 

[TJChurch]

No, Church, I'm actually overestimating my audience. Between your typos, your contradictions, your narcissism, and your threads, I thought had a powerful grasp on how intelligent my audience. However, I was mistaken: I believed I was facing a man and I see before me a rat. And I've yet to even try and be funny, making it all that much funnier when you reply.

I still state that you are underestimating your audience. I'm no more contradictory than you or anyone else here, & it's certainly not narcissistic to think I am as good as I have often proven to be.

And now you've taken to putting words in my mouth.

I don't believe I have done this, but if so, thank me, as they will at worst appear as intelligent as what you actually say/type.

My conclusions are as follows:
1.) You get negative feedback on a number of threads; therefore the problem mentioned each time is similar.
2.) You then take this knowledge and hold true to the conviction that you're right; therefore you're saying a group of people has the better chance of being wrong than you.

1] The problem mentioned many times is similar, but that is the case with the threads I receive negative feedback on, not because I receive negative feedback on a number of threads. (In fact, the truth of the matter is many of my negative feedbacks are either on the same threads or from the same people, which is what leads me to believe that the people are incorrectly seeing the same mistakes, & in the latter case that the same people are
incorrectly seeing mistakes where they are in fact the ones wrong in many of my threads they read & give the feedback on.)

2] It's not a "knowledge" due to the fact as I said above that I do not believe one part to be a reason for the other.

You're using the American Educational System as your defense? Let me tell you something:
1.) George W. Bush, a chimpanzee, graduated Harvard Business School, one of the finest schools in the country, and went on to be President.
2.) President Obama supports the idea of firing the teachers in a Rhode Island school due to the fact that too many students are failing, despite the fact that science has concluded the problem isn't so much the school environment and its teachers as it is the home environment and the parents.
3.) Republicans. I shouldn't have to say more than that.

Rather than admit things you say are just as wrong as the things I've said (if not more so), you decide to veer off into an off-topic, largely political discussion.

What do all three of these points have in common? Every person mentioned got their degrees through the American Educational System and they all demonstrate some form of idiocy.

Yes, but I'd be willing to bet that a large number of CHYOO writers who have earned their degrees did so through the same system, & so are quite likely to make the same mistakes as I do, or other similar mistakes.

Especially after noticing how many of your threads are fan-fics that are based upon characters from the leading cause of bad grades in students: the television, I can use that as a perfect offense if you put it on the table.

You say this as if it is a new idea of yours; On the contrary, I have seen many studies saying TV leads to low education. However, this discounts shows such as "Jeopardy", which can prove to be educational.

And with this I can safely conclude: you stroke your ego more than a man strokes his dick.

You mistake ego for self-confidence.

You have yet to even correct me; all you're doing is saying I'm wrong and making insults I'd expect out of an eight year old.

That is much of what you are doing as well, besides attacking me, assuming things about me, & the like. (Note the corrections I made above. Do we have a case of a pot & a kettle here?)

So, are you saying your word is law or that anyone you insult is wrong?

Neither. What about you?

Further, if you really think you're not making a fool of yourself on the forum, then you may want to look up the word "denial," since nobody has diagnosed your case of it yet.

If I am doing so, it is largely a case of appearing foolish to those who are experts on the subject, as they are also doing it (or have previously) in several cases.

You view my negative feedback as meaningless and yet you're making a big deal out of all the negative feedback you've gotten.

Perhaps I wouldn't crave yours as meaningless if I had any reason to believe much of what you say, perhaps if you relied on fact instead of assumptions & opinions.

And you also claim to crave feedback

I have never so much as requested feedback.

and yet you're stating negative feedback on your stuff is wrong, that those who give it are wrong, and those who positively agree with you are right.

I have no doubt (& I believe I stated this before) that some of the negative feedback is right. However, even if this is true of the majority, it is not true in every case.

I think at this point Pauly Shore could try and make me laugh and I still wouldn't stop laughing.

I must say I would find some of what you say humorous if it weren't so blatant an attack.

All I was talking about was, again, the challenge, since it was what I was talking about at the time. You couldn't even follow the simple concept of topicallity in a paragraph and you want me to believe all of this negative feedback is malicious and baseless?

First of all, must I repeat this? I have admitted before (& will continue to do so if need be) that not all of the negative feedback is wrong, but that does not automatically mean it is all correct.

Secondly, I would respond to your discussion of "topicallity", but as that is either not a word (or simply misspelled), I will just leave it alone for now. (I think that can be used as a case for the old idea of "people in glass houses...", which has been one of my points all along.

And now, since you've denied the challenge that would only benefit you due to it being "unnecessary," I'll do this differently. A thread of yours I found with low ratings and an obvious number of punctuation errors:

http://www.chyoo.com/index.php/main.story.page/116794

Can you spot the problems TJChurch? If you can't, just say the word and I'll drop a hint right from a book on grammar.

I admit I've seen the mistakes there. I have basically 3 responses:

1] Adding the time I spend writing new threads (& that is understandable regardless of writing accuracy, as there are completely-new stories added quite often) to the time I spend on other sites, as well as entirely offline (having graduated doesn't mean lacking a social life), I am not very-much interested in spending time going back & fixing old threads.

2] If there are so many mistakes (which, again, I admit in this case there are), why would the editor approve it &/or not fix them?

3] One thing I notice when reading stories on CHYOO (even on days when I write/submit no threads) is the low quality of spelling, grammar, etc. that runs rampant. Therefore, I allow myself to be lax when writing, as I see I am far from the worst offender.

 

[Izanagi]

I'm not even going to bother quoting, simply reply:

You've yet to prove yourself to be anywhere near good. And you call stomping on other's high spirits and boasting only of you're own not narcissisitc?

As I said, I'm stooping to your level. So, if you are in fact finally rubbing two brain cells together then it would be an improvement in intelligence.

So because the same people point out the same mistakes, that automatically makes them wrong? Mature. Try refuting the claims, not just proclaiming them wrong.

You take a topic about your own stories and make it about negative feedback, your own flawless posts, and your education, and I'm taking it off-topic? Again, you're hilariously pathetic.

But do they argue there threads are flawless and state their grammar is perfect time and again? Please point the way if you do, becuase I'd love to see an ego that belongs to someone else at this point. And where's your proof they actually learned it from a school?

And when's the last time you wrote a fan-fic thread that actually came off of an educational prgram? Again; topicallity - the idea of being on topic. I was talking about your threads, therefore I'm talking about non-educational television. An what's interesting is you mock me for take your own off-topic and driving it further, yet you continue taking it off-topic yourself. Still funny.

Again, you trashing anyone who boasts about themselves slightly and contradicting yourself constantly is simply self-confidence? By that logic the Holocaust was simply a racial protest.

I could easily make cases against you. What's the difference? I'm not bitching about it and assuming you're wrong for no reason, not to mention the fact that I'm actually using math and logic that's reality based, not based my ego like yours is.

Really, neither? I find that hard to believe since all you're certain I'm wrong for following the odds, not your words. I say math is everything, and considering you're own words the math heavily favors you being wrong. And your egotistical attitude towards the math is making me even more certain it's right.

So you start confrontations by throwing the first insult over nothing, proclaim yourself as right, and you're foolishness is simply in the eye of the beholder? And you still want to claim you're not contradicting yourself?

So you're words, your threads, and the math aren't facts? Do you really want me to try and make fun of you?

Before I showed up, you claimed all of your negative feedback was wrong. So, right there is all the reason I need to not believe you when you say it, not to mention all the bitching you did on it elsewhere on the forum. So I'm inclined to believe you're simply trying to shut me up so I'll stop poking holes in your ego.

1.) Go over an older topic, you claimed this thread was flawless and the negative feedback was malicious in nature. And I know you can't see this mistake because you continue to make it.

2.) One of the reasons you bitched so much about this thread's negative feedback is because you'd been granted trusted status on this story; meaning the ediotr never needed to see this thread for it to be approved.

3.) Again: do all of those other claim their grammar is perfect? Do they all bitch and moan whenever they get negative feedback? No, they don't, they think and hope it's right, but they may find it isn't so they don't go stroking their ego about it. And when they get negative feedback, they either use it to grow or ignore it. Given the fact that you still bitch about the "meaningless" negative feedback, I'm inclined to believe that you do view it as quite meaningful and quite the blow to your own fragile self worth. You may call this bull shit, but the educated call it psychological profiling.

Would you like to present more crappy logic that a two year old could tear apart? Or would you instead like to actually answer a question for once and tell me what's wrong with it? Here's your hint:

Rule 1. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, even inside single quotes.

Examples: The sign changed from "Walk," to "Don't Walk," to "Walk" again within 30 seconds.

She said, "Hurry up."

She said, "He said, 'Hurry up.'"

Rule 2. The placement of question marks with quotes follows logic. If a question is in quotation marks, the question mark should be placed inside the quotation marks.

Examples: She asked, "Will you still be my friend?"

Do you agree with the saying, "All's fair in love and war"?
Here the question is outside the quote.

NOTE: Only one ending punctuation mark is used with quotation marks. Also, the stronger punctuation mark wins. Therefore, no period after war is used.

Rule 3. When you have a question outside quoted material AND inside quoted material, use only one question mark and place it inside the
quotation mark.

Example: Did she say, "May I go?"

Rule 4. Use single quotation marks for quotes within quotes. Note that the period goes inside all quote marks.

Example: He said, "Danea said, 'Do not treat me that way.'"

Rule 5. Use quotation marks to set off a direct quotation only.

Examples: "When will you be here?" he asked.

He asked when you will be there.

Rule 6. Do not use quotation marks with quoted material that is more than three lines in length. See Colons, Rule 5, for style guidance with longer quotes.

Rule 7. When you are quoting something that has a spelling or grammar mistake or presents material in a confusing way, insert the term sic in italics and enclose it in brackets. Sic means, "This is the way the original
material was."

Example: She wrote, "I would rather die then [sic] be seen wearing the same outfit as my sister."
Should be than, not then.

 

[Torg]

TJChurch, what a colossal arrogant ego you have there.

As a professional writer and editor and after editing many of your threads over the last few years, I can tell you that you make mistakes. Your insistence on using the ampersand instead of 'and' and using numerals for numbers below ten are two such errors.

Another error is the improper use of commas before 'and' in some of your sentences. Here is an example sentence that you wrote in one of my stories: "You want to drive around first, & think." The comma is incorrect since the 'and' separates a compound verb (see the 'Simple Sentences' box on this Kinds of Sentences web page).

Yet another error is your use of commas outside of dialog that ends in a question mark or other punctuation (another example from your work in my stories: “Where do you think you’re going?!”, the voice asks again.) Look at #2 in this 'Punctuating Dialogue' web page where it says ' "Where's the champagne?" he says'.

I know I said yesterday that the only problem was the ampersand and the numerals, but I was being nice. No more.

You can swirl around and around insisting that you are perfect in your grammar and ready to ascend to Godhood, but that's just a bunch of egotistical crap.

[n.b. By the way, I don't care if you give every thread I've ever written an unsigned '1' feedback (a proper use of the numeral form), I will still change back every ampersand to an 'and' in every one of your threads in every one of my stories (as well as correct your other 'nonexistent' errors in grammar). I also have switched you back to 'writer' status from 'trusted' status, so that you can't 'fix' them. They are my stories. I'm the editor, and, if I don't like your grammar, I can change it. If that is too bruising to your fragile ego, don't add to my stories. Don't ever send work to get it published, if you don't want editors correcting your grammar. I had one editor change the story from first person to second person before they would publish it. I didn't complain, nor did I complain about the money I received. You complain about people giving you bad feedback, and then you turn around and send bad feedback to me for making a statement of fact on this forum. Pathetic loser.]

 

[Torg]

Izanagi:

Where'd you get that list of grammar rules? At least one the examples is wrong.