Are we seeing the death of the Democrat Party as we know it?

[miles]

The Washington Times nailed it while describing Obama's "sick obsession" with passing healthcare reform and the unconstitutional insanity of the Slaughter Rule.

"Long-time Democratic pollsters Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen warned last week that "the battle for public opinion has been lost" on heath care. Democrats have backed themselves into a corner. If the bill fails, they suffer a defeat. But if they win, they also lose because Democrats "will face a far greater calamitous reaction" in November. "Wishing, praying or pretending will not change these outcomes," they caution.

The Democrats' headlong drive is leading to bouts of political insanity, such as the aptly named Slaughter rule, which potentially could allow the House of Representatives to "deem" the health bill passed without a final vote. That the Democratic leadership would consider resorting to such a stunt betrays a high degree of contempt for the electorate, whom they presumably think will not remember or care that their representatives would not go on the record on such a major piece of legislation.

Disaffected voters, however, will recognize cowardice for what it is. Add to this the Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, the backroom dealing, special-interest loopholes and fundamental unsoundness of placing government at the center of the health care system, and November will be a slaughter indeed"


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/13/obamas-sick-obsession/

 

[Saint Peter]

I am still pissed off about the Louisiana Purchase.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No.





We might see them purge the conservatives.

How can it die? Communists need to be represented too...

 

[zipman]

I am still pissed off about the Louisiana Purchase.

Tell me about it. Obama didn't mention that at all when he was campaigning! I'm busybody mad

 

[The_Trouvere]

copy and paste
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3299577192_b058f8a480.jpg

 

[rosco rathbone]

I elected these people to bring about change. If they have to go down in flames so be it.

"We have lost the South for a generation" LBJ on signing the Civil Rights Act

 

[miles]

No.

We might see them purge the conservatives.

Yeah - all three of them.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

They'll be back because they just continue the "Republicans want you to die" nonsense...



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[miles]

I elected these people to bring about change. If they have to go down in flames so be it.

"We have lost the South for a generation" LBJ on signing the Civil Rights Act

And set the country on fire in the process?

 

[rosco rathbone]

And set the country on fire in the process?

We've been on fire before. Change is never easy.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Yeah - all three of them.

There are more than they give credit for, it's just that the Left has control of the leadership much as the Progressive Republicans control that joke of a party...




Check out the Boren Supremacy over at NRO.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I elected these people to bring about change. If they have to go down in flames so be it.

"We have lost the South for a generation" LBJ on signing the Civil Rights Act

What, exactly have they "changed?"

We're still pursuing the Bush doctrines, albeit, with more debt...

 

[firespin]

Will Rogers said it many years ago, and it's still true today:

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. "

 

[rosco rathbone]

What, exactly have they "changed?"

We're still pursuing the Bush doctrines, albeit, with more debt...

Sweet fuck all, so far!

 

[BigGator5]

The Democrats' headlong drive is leading to bouts of political insanity, such as the aptly named Slaughter rule, which potentially could allow the House of Representatives to "deem" the health bill passed without a final vote.

What miles fails to explain, is how they will attempt to do that:

What they want to do, is pass the reconciliation package without passing or voting on the Senate bill. How they would do this is that the reconciliation package will include language stating that the Senate bill is consider passed.

This is a clear violation of Article One, Section Seven, Clause Two of the United States Constitution. All bills must be voted and passed by both chambers of congress.

 

[MeeMie]

Are we seeing the death of the Democrat Party as we know it?



Bart Stupak seems to thinks so.....


Sitting in an airport, on his way home to Michigan, Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat, is chagrined. “They’re ignoring me,” he says, in a phone interview with National Review Online. “That’s their strategy now. The House Democratic leaders think they have the votes to pass the Senate’s health-care bill without us. At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve. And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.”

According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”

Stupak says he also doesn’t trust the “Slaughter solution,” a legislative maneuver being bandied about on Capitol Hill as a way to pass the Senate bill in the House without actually voting on it. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” he says. “I don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about what I’m hearing.”

Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”

What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

If Obamacare passes, Stupak says, it could signal the end of any meaningful role for pro-life Democrats within their own party. “It would be very, very hard for someone who is a right-to-life Democrat to run for office,” he says. “I won’t leave the party. I’m more comfortable here and still believe in a role within it for the right-to-life cause, but this bill will make being a pro-life Democrat much more difficult. They don’t even want to debate this issue. We’ll probably have to wait until the Republicans take back the majority to fix this.”

“Throughout this debate, even when the House leaders have acknowledged us, it’s always been in a backhanded way,” he laments. “I’m telling the others to hold firm, and we’ll meet next week, but I’m disappointed in my colleagues who said they’d be with us and now they’re not. It’s almost like some right-to-life members don’t want to be bothered. They just want this over.”

And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”

 

[Beco]

I am still pissed off about the Louisiana Purchase.

But Alaska turned out well ..

 

[miles]

We've been on fire before. Change is never easy.

So do you support the Slaughter Rule?

 

[rosco rathbone]

So do you support the Slaughter Rule?

Well, on one hand I'm dubious about these maneuverings, but on the other hand, I think the GOP has taken the gloves off and pretty much anything goes. I'd expect the same "win at all costs" spirit from them if they were in the majority.

So in balance, I support anything that passes HCR and let the political chips fall where they may.

 

[BigGator5]

Doug Ross and Mark Tapscott at the Examiner explain what House Democratic leaders are up to in violating the United States Constitution by using this Salughter Rule.

 

[BigGator5]

Well, on one hand I'm dubious about these maneuverings, but on the other hand, I think the GOP has taken the gloves off and pretty much anything goes. I'd expect the same "win at all costs" spirit from them if they were in the majority.

So in balance, I support anything that passes HCR and let the political chips fall where they may.

So you just want to throw our Constitution out the window?

 

[miles]

Well, on one hand I'm dubious about these maneuverings, but on the other hand, I think the GOP has taken the gloves off and pretty much anything goes. I'd expect the same "win at all costs" spirit from them if they were in the majority.

So in balance, I support anything that passes HCR and let the political chips fall where they may.

So you support a clear violation of the Constitution?

 

[rosco rathbone]

So you support a clear violation of the Constitution?

Certainly not. If the Constitution is violated, then I trust the SCOTUS to sort things out.

 

[Ishmael]

The Washington Times nailed it while describing Obama's "sick obsession" with passing healthcare reform and the unconstitutional insanity of the Slaughter Rule.

"Long-time Democratic pollsters Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen warned last week that "the battle for public opinion has been lost" on heath care. Democrats have backed themselves into a corner. If the bill fails, they suffer a defeat. But if they win, they also lose because Democrats "will face a far greater calamitous reaction" in November. "Wishing, praying or pretending will not change these outcomes," they caution.

The Democrats' headlong drive is leading to bouts of political insanity, such as the aptly named Slaughter rule, which potentially could allow the House of Representatives to "deem" the health bill passed without a final vote. That the Democratic leadership would consider resorting to such a stunt betrays a high degree of contempt for the electorate, whom they presumably think will not remember or care that their representatives would not go on the record on such a major piece of legislation.

Disaffected voters, however, will recognize cowardice for what it is. Add to this the Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, the backroom dealing, special-interest loopholes and fundamental unsoundness of placing government at the center of the health care system, and November will be a slaughter indeed"


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/13/obamas-sick-obsession/

No one is watching what's going on out in flyover country. The farmers are buying lead, oiling their guns, and not buying seed. It's the last action that everyone best fear.

Ishmael

 

[BigGator5]

Certainly not. If the Constitution is violated, then I trust the SCOTUS to sort things out.

The POTUS made an oath to uphold the Constitution and passing the bill this was will be a violation of that oath.