I had an abortion at 20...

[Stella_Omega]

and some years later, I had a wanted child. Then I did it again. I have two young adult children that I am proud of and are ready to go out in the world.

My children would not exist if I had been forced to carry that first pregnancy to term.

A woman carries an average of three hundred eggs in her ovaries. Even after an abortion, there will be another one ready to go in a month or so. Real life is abundant, and not miraculous at all.

And an abortion is not the end of the world.

 

[Jagged]

For some people it is, but every time I see children as common as it is to seem them I'm amazed. Sure it is a normal biological process that every species does in one form or another, but it is still something. To me anyway....

 

[foxxxyvixxxen]

WHOA! Quite a confession!!! I hope u don't get into an argument with anyone here cuz u KNOW they will throw that back up in your face cuz people are ASSHOLES like that. I remember when I was having sex...I THOUGHT I was pregnant TWICE! Thank God it didn't happen cuz I would've been another statistic like a lot of other females. I'm already DISGUSTED and PISSED at men but not just men really...females too for putting up with a lot of their bullshit so they think EVERY female should!

Having babies SCARE me! Why am I even a chick?!?! I mean I had a brief moment when I was somewhere between 7-11years old when I wanted to have like 3 kids!!! *I'm an only chile* But now I would sell my organs for a bowl of chili before I start poppin out babies!

Plus still waiting on my "imaginary man" to come and sweep me off my feet for long than a year!

 

[sereneone4u]

I am in awe of what miracles babies truly are...

 

[Stella_Omega]

I am in awe of what miracles babies truly are...

Wonderful, yes.
Life-affirming, yes.
Irreplaceable when they are our own, yes.

Miracle though, means something that is absolutely impossible without divine intervention-- like the sun standing still for an entire day-- and that's not what babies are.

Women can pop one out per year, and some women do. That's not miraculous. That's a healthy set of ovaries, and a good strong uterus.

If they can love, feed, and acculturate all of them-- that's something to be lauded.

 

[sereneone4u]

Wonderful, yes.
Life-affirming, yes.
Irreplaceable when they are our own, yes.

Miracle though, means something that is absolutely impossible without divine intervention-- like the sun standing still for an entire day-- and that's not what babies are.

Women can pop one out per year, and some women do. That's not miraculous. That's a healthy set of ovaries, and a good strong uterus.

If they can love, feed, and acculturate all of them-- that's something to be lauded.

But I believe it is impossible without divine intervention.

I do respect other people's choices.

And with that, I will leave the discussion.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But I believe it is impossible without divine intervention.

If your only point here is that you believe in god, consider it noted.

 

[jomar]

Even so...

 

[SeaCat]

And your point is?

I am one of those strange creatures that feel that abortion protestors should have their names on the short list for adoptions. (If they qualify that is.) If they can't qualify for adoptions or are unwilling to adopt then they need to shut the hell up.

On the other hand I don't view abortion as a viable form of Birth Control. You want to have unprotected sex then it's on you.

Victims of Rape, Victims of protected sex where the birth control didn't work? Fine. Then it's their choice.

I have yet to meet an abortion protestor willing to adopt the unwanted children.

Cat

 

[sereneone4u]

Funny you should say that, SeaCat.

I am prolife, but I marched in Pensacola, FL when Dr Gunn was shot with the ProChoicers.

I carried a sign with my son's handprints that said Mother by Choice. He is now twenty.

I also went with a friend that was pregnant for moral support when she chose to have an abortion. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done.

I believe highly in the sanctity of human life (and yes, I am against the dealth penalty except in cases of people like Ted Bundy or murdering child molesters, proven beyond a shadow of a doubt), and I feel that when one chooses to have sex, they also choose to except the consequences, one of which is that they may become pregnant. Obviously I am not talking about rape or incest, those are not choices.

However, as someone who has lived for forty years on this earth, I realize that life is not black and white, it is many many shades of gray and sometimes decisions have to be made that are very difficult.

I am going to try to stay out of this thread, really. This is such a tender subject and I don't want to hurt or offend anyone.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Finally something that I can agree on with Stella...

Abortion is and should always be between the woman and her doctor, it's nobody's business but their's. And don't give me that crap about the father or would be father...the reason a woman even considers an abortion is usually because he has fled for the hills.

No other person on this earth has any business in the decision. The Choice is hers and only hers.

And if the would be father is around and wants the baby! I hear now there is no reason that the fetus can't be transplanted into his abdomen to mature and be born via surgery. So if he wants it let him carry it to term and raise the little darling.

 

[Lisa Summers]

I'm glad I haven't had to face that decision. Best wishes, Stella.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm glad I haven't had to face that decision. Best wishes, Stella.

Lisa, that decision was 33 years ago, and I never regretted it for a day.

My two children are 18 and 21-- and I must admit I've regretted them more than once! But they have been well worth everything. That first child would have meant the nonexistence of these two.

My point, guys, is that, barring botched operation, ABORTION IS NOT THE END OF A WOMAN'S FERTILITY.

On the other hand I don't view abortion as a viable form of Birth Control. You want to have unprotected sex then it's on you.

Would you really rather have the children of such careless people out there in the world?

Oh, wait-- you tell us stories about them all the time.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Stella, I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. We may not understand it at the time, but I believe in destiny. Abortion is such a very private thing and I think it's great that you shared it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella, I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. We may not understand it at the time, but I believe in destiny. Abortion is such a very private thing and I think it's great that you shared it.

Well, I don't particularly believe in the kind of destiny that you do.

But I know that my abortion happened for a reason-- MY reason, which was that I was in no position to raise a child. Not mature enough, not financially secure enough, not settled down. I did not want to have a baby.

My BC failed on me. I could have considered that "destiny" but it wasn't; I took charge of my "destiny" and went to the clinic. Human beings can do that.

I don't particularly consider abortion to be any more private than any other aspect of sex and life that we talk about here, especially when people like Amicus are willing to trumpet their august opinions on subjects they are abjectly ignorant about.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

It may not be a miracle to you, but I guarantee you it is a miracle to those who try and try and try and either have multiple miscarriages or years of negative tests before finally (if ever) carrying a baby to term and giving birth.

I'm am not even getting into the abortion side of it because it truly would be a miracle for a discussion to change anyone's view on it.

 

[DeeZire]

If abortion is murder, what do you call it when a person with a pre-existing condition is denied health care, and that person dies?

Anyone who is pro-life and anti-healthcare reform is a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Finally something that I can agree on with Stella...

Abortion is and should always be between the woman and her doctor, it's nobody's business but their's. And don't give me that crap about the father or would be father...the reason a woman even considers an abortion is usually because he has fled for the hills.

No other person on this earth has any business in the decision. The Choice is hers and only hers.

And if the would be father is around and wants the baby! I hear now there is no reason that the fetus can't be transplanted into his abdomen to mature and be born via surgery. So if he wants it let him carry it to term and raise the little darling.

I am also frequently in disagreement with Stella, and sometimes with you. However, on this subject, I agree 100% with what you say.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It may not be a miracle to you, but I guarantee you it is a miracle to those who try and try and try and either have multiple miscarriages or years of negative tests before finally (if ever) carrying a baby to term and giving birth.

I'm am not even getting into the abortion side of it because it truly would be a miracle for a discussion to change anyone's view on it.

It's a wonderful testament to human stubbornness, and medical knowledge. There's a sense of gratitude and vindication and rightness when a wanted conception takes place.

But because not all of us can accomplish the thing is no reason to say everyone who does get pregnant, must remain pregnant. That way lies the Animal Farm.

 

[Handley_Page]

Stella: Respect.
It takes guts to say what you have. I salute you.

 

[~Haze~]

Finally something that I can agree on with Stella...

Abortion is and should always be between the woman and her doctor, it's nobody's business but their's. And don't give me that crap about the father or would be father...the reason a woman even considers an abortion is usually because he has fled for the hills.

No other person on this earth has any business in the decision. The Choice is hers and only hers.

And if the would be father is around and wants the baby! I hear now there is no reason that the fetus can't be transplanted into his abdomen to mature and be born via surgery. So if he wants it let him carry it to term and raise the little darling.

Wow.

How did you come up with such a moronic statement? Surely you didn't give it any thought. You can't actually believe this because it contradicts the rest of your post.

You're saying.... a man has no right expressing his opinion in the situation. He has no right to say anything? Yet women who get abortions make their decisions based solely on a man's position (to be a dad or not.)!?

The entire premise of your logic is flawed.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Abortions are dandy unless youre the one who's flushed down the drain. It takes from you everything that might be.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Abortions are dandy unless youre the one who's flushed down the drain. It takes from you everything that might be.

yeah, that's what Amicus claimed as well. it's funny that the two of you, who are the most misery-laden of all the regulars here, the ones who actively hunt out reasons to hate your fellow men, are the ones who defend your desire to inflict a life of misery (by your reckoning) on the very people you seem to hate.

But the truth is that there is no "you" in this issue. What gets "flushed down the drain" is not a "you."

 

[~Haze~]

Wonderful, yes.
Life-affirming, yes.
Irreplaceable when they are our own, yes.

Miracle though, means something that is absolutely impossible without divine intervention-- like the sun standing still for an entire day-- and that's not what babies are.

Women can pop one out per year, and some women do. That's not miraculous. That's a healthy set of ovaries, and a good strong uterus.

If they can love, feed, and acculturate all of them-- that's something to be lauded.

I can understand both points and I'm not here to engage in the debate of life or choice.

Both valid beliefs. I can understand stella and serene's perspectives and I think you two might be talking about two different things. (I think)

Stella is talking about life and serene is talking about consciousness or a soul (depending on your belief).

Yes, life is abundant. From a biological perspective, people and life - nothing special. From a philosophical perspective, every person is unique and the creation/inception (pick your word/belief) of you is a unique event that can never be duplicated. At least not naturally.

Just think, if your parents conceived minutes earlier or minutes later (or you were conceived by a different father or the egg was fertilized by a different sperm), you (as you know yourself) would never have been created. Would never be. A baby would have been born and a life created, but you would be an entirely different... pick your label (entirely different person, entirely different consciousness, an entirely different soul).

I'm not expressing an opinion here - on life or abortion. I'm just asking (interpreting) if that's what you two are talking about.

 

[~Haze~]

yeah, that's what Amicus claimed as well. it's funny that the two of you, who are the most misery-laden of all the regulars here, the ones who actively hunt out reasons to hate your fellow men, are the ones who defend your desire to inflict a life of misery (by your reckoning) on the very people you seem to hate.

But the truth is that there is no "you" in this issue. What gets "flushed down the drain" is not a "you."

That's the real question. Isn't it?