Air America Kaput

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/201...off-air-monday-citing-financial-problems.html

IT DIED UNLOVED AND REJECTED BY AMERICANS.

 

[Lisa Summers]

It's too bad they didn't get a chance to cover this:

http://wizbangblog.com/images/2010/01/barack_obama_brings_his_teleprompters_to_speak_to_a_class_of_sixth_graders/obama-6th-grade.jpg

A teleprompter to speak to 6th graders?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/20/obama_wants_135b_more_in_school_grants/

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/sad-obama-brings-teleprompter-to-speak-to-6th-grade-class/

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I suppose the goon is there to protect Obama from.....?

I'm guessing its a Democrat neighborhood, and some of those 6th graders gotta be 19.

 

[Lisa Summers]

Maybe from a libertarian 6th grader?

 

[DeeZire]

I'm surprised Air America lasted as long as it did. Everyone knows that while Conservatives are bitching and moaning about the evil liberals and their immoral acts, the evil liberals are too busy committing immoral acts to sit around listening to the radio.

 

[Boota]

One of the things I heard early on when Air America first came on was that it would be an uphill battle because unlike the Limbaugh and Hannity fans, liberals didn't feel the need to have their values parroted back to them. It made sense then, and does now. Has conservative radio said anything new in 25 years? No. But they still listen and take that to be real information.

 

[driphoney]

I'm surprised Air America lasted as long as it did. Everyone knows that while Conservatives are bitching and moaning about the evil liberals and their immoral acts, the evil liberals are too busy committing immoral acts to sit around listening to the radio.

I thought that was what NPR was for?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Liberals have no sense of humor. I recently read an essay by Mark Twain in which he explains the difference between humor and comedy. Liberals dont get humor, and they like their comedy with large pitchers of beer.

 

[jeninflorida]

One of the things I heard early on when Air America first came on was that it would be an uphill battle because unlike the Limbaugh and Hannity fans, liberals didn't feel the need to have their values parroted back to them. It made sense then, and does now. Has conservative radio said anything new in 25 years? No. But they still listen and take that to be real information.

Sure conservatives are saying something new, wish that I could write this like that Sony commercial with Justin Timberlake holding his ping pong paddle…. “they are on fire!” lol. Well then again I’m just guessing.

 

[trysail]

I thought that was what NPR was for?

I listen to NPR exclusively.

It's a good thing I saw your post before I wrote something along the lines of: "Air America isn't 'kaput.' They call it 'NPR'."

 

[DeeZire]

Liberals have no sense of humor. I recently read an essay by Mark Twain in which he explains the difference between humor and comedy. Liberals dont get humor, and they like their comedy with large pitchers of beer.

Really? Is that why Jon Stewart, Colbert and SNL are so successful?

 

[DeeZire]

I listen to NPR exclusively.

It's a good thing I saw your post before I wrote something along the lines of: "Air America isn't 'kaput.' They call it 'NPR'."

There is a glaring difference. NPR presents news, with some commentary, either in the balanced left vs. right format, or the occasional solo editorial piece. NPR even includes editorials from the right, although they don't give the "Birthers" and the GW deniers a platform - just like they don't give David Duke a platform.

In other words, NPR is not strictly an editorial voice like Air America was. The curious thing is the idea that NPR is the voice of the evil liberals. It's not. It's the voice of reason. There are studies showing NPR listeners scoring the highest in comprehension of current events, compared to Fox News viewers, who score the lowest. If this makes NPR "liberal propaganda", we have a serious disconnect between reality and ideology.

 

[Liar]

Liberals have no sense of humor. I recently read an essay by Mark Twain in which he explains the difference between humor and comedy. Liberals dont get humor, and they like their comedy with large pitchers of beer.

What do you have against beer?

 

[trysail]

There is a glaring difference. NPR presents news, with some commentary, either in the balanced left vs. right format, or the occasional solo editorial piece. NPR even includes editorials from the right, although they don't give the "Birthers" and the GW deniers a platform - just like they don't give David Duke a platform.

In other words, NPR is not strictly an editorial voice like Air America was. The curious thing is the idea that NPR is the voice of the evil liberals. It's not. It's the voice of reason. There are studies showing NPR listeners scoring the highest in comprehension of current events, compared to Fox News viewers, who score the lowest. If this makes NPR "liberal propaganda", we have a serious disconnect between reality and ideology.

Oh, jeeeeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Gimme a fuckin' break.

I've reached the conclusion that the acronym NPR stands for "National Plaintiff's Radio." Where class action lawsuits are involved, their idea of reporting consists of reading scripts provided by trial attorneys. It's appalling to hear.

NPR's idea of balance ( ha, ha ) is pairing David Brooks of the New York Times with E.J. Dionne of The Washington Post. Who do you think you're kidding? Is this supposed to be a joke?

Then there's that fuckin' "never was," has-been, geriatric Daniel Schorr who's been nothing but a whining, broken record his entire life. He needs to be put out to pasture or sent to the glue factory.

The narcissim and Washington-centricity of NPR is nauseating. Someone really should let them know that there's a world outside Cancer On The Potomac ( and it's a much nicer one, to boot ). Scott Simon and the old broad ( I think her name is Stamberg ) with the truly annoying, god-awful, nasal tonality of her native Brooklyn are beyond the pale.

Yeah, nice reporting. NPR is bereft of any residue of journalistic independence and balanced treatment.

The fact that even you noticed the fact that they have failed to report the biggest scientific scandal in decades only serves to confirm the horrific bias and prejudice.

Well done toad! Your intentional linkage of David Duke, the Holocaust and William Gray, Ph.D., Richard Lindzen, Ph.D., Freeman Dyson, Ph.D., Nobel Laureate Ivar Giaever, Ph.D., Michael Crichton, M.D., Roy Spencer, Ph.D., John Christy, Ph.D., aeronautical engineer/pioneer Burt Rutan, Will Happer, Ph.D. and thousands of other scientists is a tactic worthy of Goebbels. Do you think we all should be forced to wear little yellow Stars of David, as well?

 

[Liar]

Oh, jeeeeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Gimme a fuckin' break.

I've reached the conclusion that the acronym NPR stands for "National Plaintiff's Radio." Where class action lawsuits are involved, their idea of reporting consists of reading scripts provided by trial attorneys. It's appalling to hear.

NPR's idea of balance ( ha, ha ) is pairing David Brooks of the New York Times with E.J. Dionne of The Washington Post. Who do you think you're kidding? Is this supposed to be a joke?

Then there's that fuckin' "never was," has-been, geriatric Daniel Schorr who's been nothing but a whining, broken record his entire life. He needs to be put out to pasture or sent to the glue factory.

The narcissim and Washington-centricity of NPR is nauseating. Someone really should let them know that there's a world outside Cancer On The Potomac ( and it's a much nicer one, to boot ). Scott Simon and the old broad ( I think her name is Stamberg ) with the truly annoying, god-awful, nasal tonality of her native Brooklyn are beyond the pale.

Yeah, nice reporting. NPR is bereft of any residue of journalistic independence and balanced treatment.

The fact that even you noticed the fact that they have failed to report the biggest scientific scandal in decades only serves to confirm the horrific bias and prejudice.

Well done toad! Your intentional linkage of David Duke, the Holocaust and William Gray, Ph.D., Richard Lindzen, Ph.D., Freeman Dyson, Ph.D., Nobel Laureate Ivar Giaever, Ph.D., Michael Crichton, M.D., Roy Spencer, Ph.D., John Christy, Ph.D., aeronautical engineer/pioneer Burt Rutan, Will Happer, Ph.D. and thousands of other scientists is a tactic worthy of Goebbels. Do you think we all should be forced to wear little yellow Stars of David, as well?

Wow, dude. Need a hug or sumthin?

 

[DeeZire]

The fact that even you noticed the fact that they have failed to report the biggest scientific scandal in decades only serves to confirm the horrific bias and prejudice.

Angry conservatives wearing tinfoil hats do not exactly qualify as science. What else would you like NPR to present in the context of news? Voo doo spells? Aliens controlling our government? The superiority of faith healing when compared with modern medicine?

BTW, what's wrong with David Brooks? Not angry enough for you? I like David Brooks. He's one of the few conservative talking heads who admitted to Sarah Palin's glaring shortcomings. Is that your beef with the guy?

 

[Jagged]

I wouldn't listen to Air America, but I figured they'd do better than they did. After all so many people share the views of the hosts...or do they? Anyway you might not like Russ Limbaugh, but more than a few broadcasters say he's entertaining and at the end of the day people have to like listening, and more they do the more likely they are to buy your sponsor's goods or service. Guess liberals don't spend money? Well maybe not there own...

 

[JackLuis]

If Air America was more like Jon Stewart and less like Rush, they would have been more successful.

One of the advantages of listening to NPR is you seldom hear them screaming, shouting or sounding completely stupid.

I 'watched' Air America on the web a little and decided that I preferred less rabid zealotry.

They might have been better off to use "Mother Jones" as a base rather than the DNC.

 

[trysail]

...science. ...

[ emphasis mine ]


Kevin Trenberth's ( and others including Wigley and Mann ) EXPLICIT admission that they "can't account for the lack of recent warming" and that "it is a travesty."

Michael Mann laments that Richard Black of the BBC is reporting the "lack of recent warming" and contemplates contacting Black.(1255352257)
( amazing stuff! )

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=1051&filename=1255496484.txt

_______________________________________

From: Tom Wigley <wigley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Kevin Trenberth <trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:01:xxx xxxx xxxx
Cc: Michael Mann <mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Stephen H Schneider <shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Myles Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, peter stott <peter.stott@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Philip D. Jones" <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Benjamin Santer <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Thomas R Karl <Thomas.R.Karl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, James Hansen <jhansen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Michael Oppenheimer <omichael@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>

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Dear all,

At the risk of overload, here are some notes of mine on the recent lack of warming. I look at this in two ways. The first is to look at the difference between the observed and expected anthropogenic trend relative to the pdf for unforced variability. The second is to remove ENSO, volcanoes and TSI variations from the observed data.

Both methods show that what we are seeing is not unusual. The second
method leaves a significant warming over the past decade.

These sums complement Kevin's energy work.

Kevin says ... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't". I do not agree with this.

Tom.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Kevin Trenberth wrote:
> Hi all
> Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are
> asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two
> days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high
> the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the
> previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also
> a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January
> weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday
> and then played last night in below freezing weather).
>
> Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning:
> tracking Earth's global energy. /Current Opinion in Environmental
> Sustainability/, *1*, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [PDF]
> <http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/EnergyDiagnostics09final.pdf>
> (A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)
>
> The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment
> and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the
> August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more
> warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.
>
> That said there is a LOT of nonsense about the PDO. People like CPC are
> tracking PDO on a monthly basis but it is highly correlated with ENSO.
> Most of what they are seeing is the change in ENSO not real PDO. It
> surely isn't decadal. The PDO is already reversing with the switch to
> El Nino. The PDO index became positive in September for first time
> since Sept 2007. see
> http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitoring_current.ppt
>
> Kevin
>
> Michael Mann wrote:
>> extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. its
>> particularly odd, since climate is usually Richard Black's beat at BBC
>> (and he does a great job). from what I can tell, this guy was formerly
>> a weather person at the Met Office.
>>
>> We may do something about this on RealClimate, but meanwhile it might
>> be appropriate for the Met Office to have a say about this, I might
>> ask Richard Black what's up here?
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Stephen H Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all. Any of you want to explain decadal natural variability and
>>> signal to noise and sampling errors to this new "IPCC Lead Author"
>>> from the BBC? As we enter an El Nino year and as soon, as the
>>> sunspots get over their temporary--presumed--vacation worth a few
>>> tenths of a Watt per meter squared reduced forcing, there will likely
>>> be another dramatic upward spike like 1xxx xxxx xxxx. I heard
>>> someone--Mike Schlesinger maybe??--was willing to bet alot of money
>>> on it happening in next 5 years?? Meanwhile the past 10 years of
>>> global mean temperature trend stasis still saw what, 9 of the warmest
>>> in reconstructed 1000 year record and Greenland and the sea ice of
>>> the North in big retreat?? Some of you observational folks probably
>>> do need to straighten this out as my student suggests below. Such
>>> "fun", Cheers, Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen H. Schneider
>>> Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary Environmental
>>> Studies,
>>> Professor, Department of Biology and
>>> Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment
>>> Mailing address:
>>> Yang & Yamazaki Environment & Energy Building - MC 4205
>>> 473 Via Ortega
>>> Ph: xxx xxxx xxxx
>>> F: xxx xxxx xxxx
>>> Websites: climatechange.net
>>> patientfromhell.org
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> From: "Narasimha D. Rao" <ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <mailto:ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>>
>>> To: "Stephen H Schneider" <shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <mailto:shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:25:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>>> Subject: BBC U-turn on climate
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>> You may be aware of this already. Paul Hudson, BBC's reporter on
>>> climate change, on Friday wrote that there's been no warming since
>>> 1998, and that pacific oscillations will force cooling for the next
>>> xxx xxxx xxxxyears. It is not outrageously biased in presentation as are
>>> other skeptics' views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm
>>> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...73/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-climate-change/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BBC has significant influence on public opinion outside the US.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think this merits an op-ed response in the BBC from a scientist?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Narasimha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
>>> PhD Candidate,
>>> Emmett Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources (E-IPER)
>>> Stanford University
>>> Tel: xxx xxxx xxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael E. Mann
>> Professor
>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
>>
>> Department of Meteorology Phone: (8xxx xxxx xxxx
>> 503 Walker Building FAX: (8xxx xxxx xxxx
>> The Pennsylvania State University email: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>> <mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> University Park, PA 16xxx xxxx xxxx
>>
>> website: http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
>> <http://www.meteo.psu.edu/%7Emann/Mann/index.html>
>> "Dire Predictions" book site:
>> http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> ****************
> Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Climate Analysis Section, www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
> NCAR
> P. O. Box 3000, (3xxx xxxx xxxx
> Boulder, CO 80xxx xxxx xxxx (3xxx xxxx xxxx(fax)
>
> Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305
>


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From: Kevin Trenberth <trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Michael Mann <mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:36:xxx xxxx xxxx
Cc: Tom Wigley <wigley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Stephen H Schneider <shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Myles Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, peter stott <peter.stott@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Philip D. Jones" <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Benjamin Santer <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Thomas R Karl <Thomas.R.Karl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, James Hansen <jhansen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Michael Oppenheimer <omichael@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>

Mike
Here are some of the issues as I see them:
Saying it is natural variability is not an explanation. What are the physical processes?
Where did the heat go? We know there is a build up of ocean heat prior to El Nino, and a discharge (and sfc T warming) during late stages of El Nino, but is the observing system sufficient to track it? Quite aside from the changes in the ocean, we know there are major changes in the storm tracks and teleconnections with ENSO, and there is a LOT more rain on land during La Nina (more drought in El Nino), so how does the albedo change overall
(changes in cloud)? At the very least the extra rain on land means a lot more heat goes into evaporation rather than raising temperatures, and so that keeps land temps down: and should generate cloud. But the resulting evaporative cooling means the heat goes into atmosphere and should be radiated to space: so we should be able to track it with CERES
data. The CERES data are unfortunately wanting and so too are the cloud data. The ocean data are also lacking although some of that may be related to the ocean current changes and burying heat at depth where it is not picked up. If it is sequestered at depth then it comes back to haunt us later and so we should know about it.
Kevin
Michael Mann wrote:

Kevin, that's an interesting point. As the plot from Gavin I sent shows, we can easily account for the observed surface cooling in terms of the natural variability seen in the CMIP3 ensemble (i.e. the observed cold dip falls well within it). So in that sense, we can "explain" it. But this raises the interesting question, is there something going on here w/ the energy & radiation budget which is inconsistent with the modes of internal variability that leads to similar temporary cooling periods within the models.
I'm not sure that this has been addressed--has it?

m

On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:

Hi Tom
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
Kevin
Tom Wigley wrote:

Dear all,

At the risk of overload, here are some notes of mine on the recent
lack of warming. I look at this in two ways. The first is to look at
the difference between the observed and expected anthropogenic trend relative to the pdf for unforced variability. The second is to remove ENSO, volcanoes and TSI variations from the observed data.

Both methods show that what we are seeing is not unusual. The second

method leaves a significant warming over the past decade.

These sums complement Kevin's energy work.

Kevin says ... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment
and it is a travesty that we can't". I do not

agree with this.

Tom.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Kevin Trenberth wrote:

Hi all

Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather).

Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth's
global energy. /Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability/, *1*, 19-27,
doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [PDF]
<[1]http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/EnergyDiagnostics09final.pdf>
(A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

That said there is a LOT of nonsense about the PDO. People like CPC are tracking PDO on a monthly basis but it is highly correlated with ENSO. Most of what they are seeing is the change in ENSO not real PDO. It surely isn't decadal. The PDO is already reversing with the switch to El Nino. The PDO index became positive in September for first time since Sept 2007. see
[2]http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitorin
g_current.ppt

Kevin

Michael Mann wrote:

extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. its particularly odd,
since climate is usually Richard Black's beat at BBC (and he does a great job). from
what I can tell, this guy was formerly a weather person at the Met Office.

We may do something about this on RealClimate, but meanwhile it might be appropriate for
the Met Office to have a say about this, I might ask Richard Black what's up here?

mike

On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Stephen H Schneider wrote:

Hi all. Any of you want to explain decadal natural variability and signal to noise and
sampling errors to this new "IPCC Lead Author" from the BBC? As we enter an El Nino
year and as soon, as the sunspots get over their temporary--presumed--vacation worth a
few tenths of a Watt per meter squared reduced forcing, there will likely be another
dramatic upward spike like 1xxx xxxx xxxx. I heard someone--Mike Schlesinger maybe??--was
willing to bet alot of money on it happening in next 5 years?? Meanwhile the past 10
years of global mean temperature trend stasis still saw what, 9 of the warmest in
reconstructed 1000 year record and Greenland and the sea ice of the North in big
retreat?? Some of you observational folks probably do need to straighten this out as my
student suggests below. Such "fun", Cheers, Steve

Stephen H. Schneider

Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary Environmental Studies,

Professor, Department of Biology and

Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment

Mailing address:

Yang & Yamazaki Environment & Energy Building - MC 4205

473 Via Ortega

Ph: xxx xxxx xxxx

F: xxx xxxx xxxx

Websites: climatechange.net

patientfromhell.org

----- Forwarded Message -----

From: "Narasimha D. Rao" <[3]ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <[4]mailto:ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>>

To: "Stephen H Schneider" <[5]shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <[6]mailto:shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>>

Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:25:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific

Subject: BBC U-turn on climate

Steve,

You may be aware of this already. Paul Hudson, BBC's reporter on climate change, on
Friday wrote that there's been no warming since 1998, and that pacific oscillations will
force cooling for the next xxx xxxx xxxxyears. It is not outrageously biased in presentation as
are other skeptics' views.

[7]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

[8]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100013173/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on
-climate-change/

BBC has significant influence on public opinion outside the US.

Do you think this merits an op-ed response in the BBC from a scientist?

Narasimha

-------------------------------

PhD Candidate,

Emmett Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources (E-IPER)

Stanford University

Tel: xxx xxxx xxxx

--

Michael E. Mann

Professor

Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology Phone: (8xxx xxxx xxxx

503 Walker Building FAX: (8xxx xxxx xxxx

The Pennsylvania State University email: [9]mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <[10]mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>

University Park, PA 16xxx xxxx xxxx

website: [11]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
<[12]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/%7Emann/Mann/index.html>

"Dire Predictions" book site:
[13]http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html

--

****************

Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: [14]trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

Climate Analysis Section, [15]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html

NCAR

P. O. Box 3000, (3xxx xxxx xxxx

Boulder, CO 80xxx xxxx xxxx (3xxx xxxx xxxx(fax)

Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305

--
****************
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: [16]trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Climate Analysis Section, [17]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
NCAR
P. O. Box 3000, (3xxx xxxx xxxx
Boulder, CO 80xxx xxxx xxxx (3xxx xxxx xxxx(fax)
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305

--
Michael E. Mann
Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
Department of Meteorology Phone: (8xxx xxxx xxxx
503 Walker Building FAX: (8xxx xxxx xxxx
The Pennsylvania State University email: [18]mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
University Park, PA 16xxx xxxx xxxx
website: [19]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
"Dire Predictions" book site:
[20]http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html

--
****************
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: [21]trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Climate Analysis Section, [22]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
NCAR
P. O. Box 3000, (3xxx xxxx xxxx
Boulder, CO 80xxx xxxx xxxx (3xxx xxxx xxxx(fax)

Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305

References

1. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/EnergyDiagnostics09final.pdf
2. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitoring_current.ppt
3. mailto:ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
4. mailto:ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
5. mailto:shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
6. mailto:shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
7. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm
8. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...73/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-climate-change/
9. mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
10. mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
11. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
12. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
13. http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html
14. mailto:trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
15. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
16. mailto:trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
17. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
18. mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
19. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
20. http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html
21. mailto:trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
22. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html

 

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...science. What else would you like NPR to present in the context of news? Voo doo spells? Aliens controlling our government? The superiority of faith healing when compared with modern medicine?

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen you discuss a single element of any of the science surrounding the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming.

Was Briffa's use of the Yamal data a good proxy for temperatures in Canada?

What is the largest greenhouse gas?

Do you think the Vostok ice cores are good sources of paleoclimatological data for the Northern hemisphere?

Are the Argos buoys sources for sea surface temperatures?

Is the UAH temperature series a reliable source for surface temperatures?

Tell us what the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was in the Cretaceous period.

Describe NASA's adjustment process for the raw historic temperature data in the 20th century.

The truth of the matter is that I don't think you have a goddamn idea in hell what you're talking about.
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http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_technology/s_t_cru_inquiry.cfm

The Science and Technology Committee of Parliament today announces an inquiry into the unauthorised publication of data, emails and documents relating to the work of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA). The Committee has agreed to examine and invite written submissions on three questions:

■What are the implications of the disclosures for the integrity of scientific research?
■Are the terms of reference and scope of the Independent Review announced on 3 December 2009 by UEA adequate (see below)?
■How independent are the other two international data sets?
The Committee intends to hold an oral evidence session in March 2010.

Background

On 1 December 2009 Phil Willis, Chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, wrote to Professor Edward Acton, Vice-Chancellor of UEA following the considerable press coverage of the data, emails and documents relating to the work of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU). The coverage alleged that data may have been manipulated or deleted in order to produce evidence on global warming. On 3 December the UEA announced an Independent Review into the allegations to be headed by Sir Muir Russell.

The Independent Review will:

1. Examine the hacked e-mail exchanges, other relevant e-mail exchanges and any other information held at CRU to determine whether there is any evidence of the manipulation or suppression of data which is at odds with acceptable scientific practice and may therefore call into question any of the research outcomes.

2. Review CRU's policies and practices for acquiring, assembling, subjecting to peer review and disseminating data and research findings, and their compliance or otherwise with best scientific practice.

3. Review CRU's compliance or otherwise with the University's policies and practices regarding requests under the Freedom of Information Act ('the FOIA') and the Environmental Information Regulations ('the EIR') for the release of data.

4. Review and make recommendations as to the appropriate management, governance and security structures for CRU and the security, integrity and release of the data it holds .

 

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Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen you discuss a single element of any of the science surrounding the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming.

Was Briffa's use of the Yamal data a good proxy for temperatures in Canada?

What is the largest greenhouse gas?

Do you think the Vostok ice cores are good sources of paleoclimatological data for the Northern hemisphere?

Are the Argos buoys sources for sea surface temperatures?

Is the UAH temperature series a reliable source for surface temperatures?

Tell us what the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was in the Cretaceous period.

Describe NASA's adjustment process for the raw historic temperature data in the 20th century.

The truth of the matter is that I don't think you have a goddamn idea in hell what you're talking about.
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http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_technology/s_t_cru_inquiry.cfm

The Science and Technology Committee of Parliament today announces an inquiry into the unauthorised publication of data, emails and documents relating to the work of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA). The Committee has agreed to examine and invite written submissions on three questions:

■What are the implications of the disclosures for the integrity of scientific research?
■Are the terms of reference and scope of the Independent Review announced on 3 December 2009 by UEA adequate (see below)?
■How independent are the other two international data sets?
The Committee intends to hold an oral evidence session in March 2010.

Background

On 1 December 2009 Phil Willis, Chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, wrote to Professor Edward Acton, Vice-Chancellor of UEA following the considerable press coverage of the data, emails and documents relating to the work of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU). The coverage alleged that data may have been manipulated or deleted in order to produce evidence on global warming. On 3 December the UEA announced an Independent Review into the allegations to be headed by Sir Muir Russell.

The Independent Review will:

1. Examine the hacked e-mail exchanges, other relevant e-mail exchanges and any other information held at CRU to determine whether there is any evidence of the manipulation or suppression of data which is at odds with acceptable scientific practice and may therefore call into question any of the research outcomes.

2. Review CRU's policies and practices for acquiring, assembling, subjecting to peer review and disseminating data and research findings, and their compliance or otherwise with best scientific practice.

3. Review CRU's compliance or otherwise with the University's policies and practices regarding requests under the Freedom of Information Act ('the FOIA') and the Environmental Information Regulations ('the EIR') for the release of data.

4. Review and make recommendations as to the appropriate management, governance and security structures for CRU and the security, integrity and release of the data it holds .

Isn't this called a threadjack?

When the glaciers stop melting, I'll go look at your GW Deniers thread.