haiti earthquake.

[RojUpNorth]

it may be purely academic, but still a debatable point, and one where expressed comments make an impact - in some cases.

this isn't about america not aiding those in need; our governments will send aid. it's what we do. this thread's now about the attitudes on display all around.

The U.S. only sends aid with strings attached. Like they have to give up their natural resources or let us put soldiers on their lands.

 

[mark197205]

Not at all, it would have never occurred to me that we couldn't handle it ourselves.

And you wonder why other countries see Americans as arrogant and insular when you all see yourselves as better than everyone else?

Even China with its huge resources and manpower needed help last year after its earthquake, what makes the US different?

 

[koalabear]

And you wonder why other countries see Americans as arrogant and insular when you all see yourselves as better than everyone else?

Even China with its huge resources and manpower needed help last year after its earthquake, what makes the US different?

We have La-Z-Boy chairs, a flatscreen monitor and a wireless keyboard.

 

[butters]

This is bullshit, we have freedom and self determination. That's all we started with.

is it? you grew up in country with an economy as corrupt and resource-poor as Haiti? you've lived under brutal regimes such as China imposed on its citizens? you had to survive through wars and ethnic cleansing in your own homelands (and yes, I mean YOU, not your ancestors or those who lived through civil war or shrugged off the yoke of British rule)?
Economic crashes, post-war recessions, mass unemployment, crop-failures - all those, maybe - and no-one thinks the less of you and your immediate family for having survived any of these things and lived to tell the tale, but NONE of that compares to a poverty-stricken country devastated by a massive earthquake in a densely populated area. When people need help, how can you, in your heart of hearts, not consider them worth helping? Are you a churchgoer?

I think you missed my point. I think the U.S. should do all that it can for the poor people in Haiti. I'm just saying that the rest of the world shouldn't be expected to help the U.S. any because the U.S. only exploits the rest of the world and never helps them out.

No. I didn't miss your point. In my opinion, your point is invalid and, more than that, stupid.

 

[RojUpNorth]

And you wonder why other countries see Americans as arrogant and insular when you all see yourselves as better than everyone else?

Even China with its huge resources and manpower needed help last year after its earthquake, what makes the US different?

Because the U.S. thinks there is a golden halo over its national head. It doesn't realize that the entire world resents the endless abuse it heaps on them. President Obama is the first since Roosevelt (Franklin) who isn't that arrogant.

I only voted for one Republican my whole life. Dewey.

I didn't like that Truman dropped bombs on innocent people. The war would have been over in a couple of weeks anyway, so the only reason he went ahead and did it was so he could muscle in on Roosevelt's glory in winning the war. Stealing from a dead man is very bad. But he beat Dewey roundly but not with my help.

 

[butters]

I told you, Chippy. What you're reading right now are people's real souls speaking. From the comfort of their La-Z-Boy chairs, a flatscreen monitor and a wireless keyboard. And until nature decides to take that privilege away from them by re-schooling them on their mortality, they will forever feel entitled to be glib, callow, without compassion and disrespectful, all for the sake of looking like some nebulously impressive erect pillar of American firmament on the internet.

sigh.

zumi

 

[Sean]

When people need help, how can you, in your heart of hearts, not consider them worth helping?

As I said on the first page, the likes of vettebigot don't consider them human.

 

[RojUpNorth]

As I said on the first page, the likes of vettebigot don't consider them human.

We are all God's children. That's what you are saying, right? Ok, I'll go along with that.

 

[koalabear]

is it? you grew up in country with an economy as corrupt and resource-poor as Haiti? you've lived under brutal regimes such as China imposed on its citizens? you had to survive through wars and ethnic cleansing in your own homelands (and yes, I mean YOU, not your ancestors or those who lived through civil war or shrugged off the yoke of British rule)?
Economic crashes, post-war recessions, mass unemployment, crop-failures - all those, maybe - and no-one thinks the less of you and your immediate family for having survived any of these things and lived to tell the tale, but NONE of that compares to a poverty-stricken country devastated by a massive earthquake in a densely populated area. When people need help, how can you, in your heart of hearts, not consider them worth helping? Are you a churchgoer?


No. I didn't miss your point. In my opinion, your point is invalid and, more than that, stupid.

So what did you do for Chinese and for Haiti Citizens to help their plight?

 

[JMohegan]

After both Katrina and 911 many countries offered help but the USA refused. The world's only superpower couldn't be seen to be accepting help from "lesser" nations.

This is so fucking embarrassing. It wasn't refusal, it was incompetence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html

 

[RojUpNorth]

This is so fucking embarrassing. It wasn't refusal, it was incompetence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html

Some people think that Bush caused the Katrina hurricane by seeding the clouds in just the right way. I don't know enough about science to say whether that is true or not but where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

So what did you do for Chinese and for Haiti Citizens to help their plight?

Why does she have to prove anything to you about what she did and will do? What, if she does, are you gonna glibly dismiss it with some snark, just like how you did when Ulaven bitch-slapped your "whatevs" with the amount of his Haiti relief donation?

This isn't a fucking competition and roster area to see who can be the World's Greatest Samaritan in times of crisis.

 

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[butters]

The difference is how we allocate resources. China would probably be able to better allocate it's resources if it didn't suffer under a Communist command order economic system, and it's not that we are arrogant as much as able and self sufficient.

poor New Orleans, being the exception to that rule, hmmmn?

 

[RojUpNorth]

The difference is how we allocate resources. China would probably be able to better allocate it's resources if it didn't suffer under a Communist command order economic system, and it's not that we are arrogant as much as able and self sufficient.

America has never helped anybody out anywhere in the world unless there was something in it for America.

 

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[koalabear]

Why does she have to prove anything to you about what she did and will do? What, if she does, are you gonna glibly dismiss it with some snark, just like how you did when Ulaven bitch-slapped your "whatevs" with the amount of his Haiti relief donation?

This isn't a fucking competition to see who can be the World's Greatest Samaritan in times of crisis.

It is a fact they needed help long before the quake. Talking the game and playing the game are two different things Crayola Boy. What were you doing for them before the quake?

 

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[butters]

As I said on the first page, the likes of vettebigot don't consider them human.

you did.

sigh

 

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[IrezumiKiss]

It is a fact they needed help long before the quake. Talking the game and playing the game are two different things Crayola Boy. What were you doing for them before the quake?

Once again, why the fuck do I or anyone else need to confirm some fucking status as humanitarian people who care about others with you on this site? What the fuck did you do for people there and elsewhere who have less than you before their crises while you were up in your tree chewing your cud on some eucalyptus leaves and wagging your stub of a tail, Koala Boy? Since you know so fucking much and want others to tell you their shit so you can snark on it, why don't you start out first and tell us how you're such a fucking paragon that lights up the fucking world, eh?

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think he was contrasting the two political systems on the same small island, not referring to news of the earthquake.

So? We (the U.S.) might have helped Haiti's sociopolitical system change for the better, if we had only consistently backed Aristide. As it is, they've still got a society where the tiny wealthy elite steals everything.

 

[koalabear]

Once again, why the fuck do I or anyone else need to confirm some fucking status as humanitarian people who care about others with you on this site? What the fuck did you do for people there and elsewhere who have less than you before their crises while you were up in your tree chewing your cud on some eucalyptus leaves and wagging your stub of a tail, Koala Boy? Since you know so fucking much and want others to tell you their shit so you can snark on it, why don't you start out first and tell us how you're such a fucking paragon that lights up the fucking world, eh?

Just as I thought, you just jump on the latest fad.

 

[butters]

The Gulf Coast suffered even more.

It suffered dreadfully.
One doesn't counteract the other, though.

 

[RojUpNorth]

Yes, when our cities and states are governed by incompetents.

The only incompetents running our cities are Republicans.