First attempt at erotica

hybridM

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Hi,

I'm not really good at intoductions. So, please take this as a kind of intoduction. I'll edit my profile later. I'm ( mostly ) male, BTW.

I (occasionally) want to try to write erotica . I want it to be honest and human .
So I would aprreciate any help with style, before posting


When I got to university I naturally gravitated into a female group . At college I had been a part of a similar circle . It seemed as if women could see beyond my outward appearances,and they trusted and took me in. When they did , they began to open up and tell me about boyfriends , their affairs, break-ups and the of managing the complexity of multiple relationships . One girl-friend decided she had never met a man who ticked every box for her. So she continually had four boyfriends : One for her physical needs, the other intellectual, another emotional, and for some reason another , like a personal priest, tending her spiritual needs. I was surrounded by this ever-changing social landscape of semi- permanent relationships, and one night stands .

I quickly became the understanding male confidant in this circle . After a while they talked openly, explicitly around me about their relationships in a way groups of men don't. As you know, women do talk a good deal about their partners . They tend to be more supportive of each other than men .

I got to learn which of their current boyfriends were studs, who came prematurely , who was plain weird, or avoidable in bed. I offered advice and things could get strange sitting in a pub opposite one of my girl-friends temporary, three-week -guy at the table and me knowing all about his sexual technique and my girl- friends collective performance rating of him .

The group seemed like an organic structure designed for testing, comparing, selecting , filtering and ultimately locating what was most desirable in a partner .

My male company came from the university gym. I worked out four sessions a week . I didn’t do intensely heavy weights, more series of lighter reps and a good deal of stretching and floor exercise. There were a aline of punch bags strung up at the other side of the the hall. I bought a pair of bag-gloves and when there were very few people around I built on the kicks and punches I had learnt in a mixed martial arts class. When I was at school my dad instead I learnt self defence, so I did a mixture of kickboxing, kung fu and Jujitsu. Maybe he hoped I was going to become a preofessional a cage fighter instead of a Mixed Media Arts student.

I made conversation with the males in the gym . I have to be very careful in gym-converstion with males because it can be highly competitive , mostly concerning how much they can lift or how hard they are driving to develop themselves, and of course I had to read up on football and other group sports to pass. I had a toned body, a rock hard six pack and and my biceps bulged to the size of apples when compressed. I wasn’t trying to be vain, don’t get me wrong, I like my body to look like and feel like this, but ultimately my physique is a necessary defence I wear and carry like body armour: Males will verbally, and can, physically attack if they sense difference. I ensured I passed well.


Back in the common room girl-friends regularly asked me who I was seeing . I always replied I was currently abstaining asexual,- sex didn’t really interest me at the moment . I had a girlfriend . Things got messy. I didn’t want another one, because I wasn’t even sure if I wanted to be with this one. I never offered explanation beyond that .

When I was at college I had a steady girlfriend , Amy. We were both virgins and of course we believed we had discovered sex for the first time on behalf of the human race. She’d never seen another man in the flesh before, and we developed out own techniques. One afternoon, when her parents went shopping, we got undressed and I noticed she was covered in carpet burns on her lower back and knees. Amy was part of this dance school. She told me she’d got them from a routine on a carpeted floor. When we made love, unusually she climbed straight on top of me. I became aware she was using a new technique. No foreplay, tight and dry as possible . She paused at the tip of my glans letting her weight push, and gradually she slipped down letting the -friction grip and then slip a bit more, until she almost painfully enveloped me . It was like when we had first made love. She drew up to the top of my shaft , but slid off the end before quicky guided me back in and repeated this tight descent . Soon she got very wet and we fell back to our normal routine with me on top of her moving in and out with little resistance, pressing in hard getting friction from the underside of her pubic bone.- As usual I pulled out knelt at the side of the bed and began to lick, nuzzle and nibble, pushing my tongue in and out of her, bringing her towards orgasm. Just as she was about to come I put my dick back in her and she squeezed tight . I loved coming inside her like this with the smell and taste of her in my over my face. On this occasion I kept wondering but how do you continually miscalculate the length of your lovers dick ? The answer of course broke my heart.


My pretension towards asexuality was always met with incredulity and derision, and the reply from my one of my girl-friends was “ I don’t know how you manage that, I couldn’t get by without sex for three day., I start getting really stressed. “

No, no you wouldn’t I silently answered.You’d do whatever the female equivalent of jerking off is, every night, until the urge is reduced enough to be able to live with it next day. That’s what I do.

About my not wanting another partner? It simply wasn’t the truth. After I split up with Amy , and with with regard to my survival , I had become an skilled liar. .

Here’s a harsh truth : whatever anyone tells you , the penis has a Caste System all of its own. All the rest is subtle, furtive , kindly deceptions to ensure the sexual- selection process doesn't descend into naked aggression based on a mixture of jealousies, anxieties and anger , with one half of the male population, overnight , murdering the other half and returning us all back to the Stone Age.


I mostly used the gym and showers very early in the morning because few people would ever be in there at this time. Ceratinly not in the showers. Halfway through my shower, the university running team team unexpectedlyarrived and started getting changed to go on a early morning training run. They caught sight of me. Even though I had my back to them waiting for them to leave I got the sense of these guys weighing me up. I kept myself facing the tiled shower wall to them and pretended I was relaxing my shoulders and neck with the water spraying on my hair and face.

I stood there in the shower waiting for them to leave and the ancient university heating system did its finest The water became warm them cold . I reflected If Lucian Freud painted my penis with his artistic honesty , even in warm conditions the world would see an ugly uncircumcised tube of grey skin . When I got cold like this, my nipples become painfully effect, my dick shrivels, retracting to the size of a small rose bud . At this time I didn’t even like my dick. Mostly I considered it as convenience to piss through. To make matters worse one of my testicles never developed fully so my entire ball sack looks deformed. My pubic hair is more triangular than a normal male . If you looked really carefully under my sack, you would find the finest trace of what had begun development as a single labia lip. Its there , like an upswept paint stroke. The skin is more sensitive, smoother less corrugated in texture, - as if the artist changed his or her original intention at the last moment and hurriedly over- painted my sexual organs ‘male’.

Eventually the running team left and I jumped out teeth chattering and shivering and wrapped a towel around myself . I decided to run into the gym and back and shower in my flat. I couldn’t face this again.

To explain: I am somewhere right at the start of the intersex spectrum. I have small breasts with very sensitive nipples . I found I could finger them to their own specific type of orgasm. Even Amy didn't realise. She once bit into one through my T shirt messing about and I nearly came in my pants. That was one reason for doing weights- to keep my small breasts solid. . Beyond small breasts I had no other discernable female organs and definitely I considered myself male . I felt no attraction to men . To the other males in the gym , I was a regular , if quiet guy. To my girl-friends I was a just a screw up in along term relationship, temporally abstaining , at Uni until I sorted myself out.


One evening , the inevitable happened. Carol . One of my closest girl- friends had asked me to go to a local dealer and buy some grass for her. She was off to a party on Friday night. My girl-friends didn’t like going these particular dealers, there were always semi- veiled suggestions of alternative forms of payment. Carol said Nothing strong, Colombian preferably , a nice light mellow smoke. When I came home, I placed a quarter of an ounce of Colombian grass in my drawer covered it with and A4 pad and shut it tight . I tidied up my room and vacuuming the carpet. I changed the duvet cover because it smelt rank with a weeks worth of masturbation and sweat. I even took the precaution of quickly getting into bed and jerking off under the old cover before Carol arrived to reduce any residual sexual urges I might have in her company.


When Carol arrived , she walked into my room, without knocking and sat down my clean bed. I was in my armchair . We talked, and it was like we had this ongoing conversation that picked up wherever we’d previously left off. I pointed to the drawer and she pulled out the bag of grass. I went to make her a cup of tea and when I got back she’d rolled a long spliff and placed in the ashtray I keep for guests on the window ledge. I don’t normally smoke grass , but its not unpleasant. She lit it up inhaled three drags and passed it to me. We spent two hours chattering about nothing and it was suddenly half past ten. I intimated it was perhaps time for her to go home. When I did she rolled back on my bed , put her head on my pillow and stared at the ceiling. It was too dark and dangerous out here. Could she stay here for the night? I said sure. I rolled out my sleeping bag We stayed up talking for anther half hour then I clicked out the light, said goodnight . One of the things Carol told me , which I found surprising , was, she said most of our friends said they rated me fuckable, if shy.

It was still dark, and I woke to feel a hand lightly caressing around my belly button and the top of my pubes. My sleeping bag had been unzipped. Slowly Carol’s hand started to probe down into my boxers. I recoiled in cold terror, Carol is an unashamed cock queen . She knows exactly what she wants in a man , and asks up front.

“ Relax, :Carol whispered, "come on, relax these abs. We’re having a friendly shag , that's all.” She ran her hand over my chest and clipped my nipples with a passing finger nail . They stood up erect and she caught them again on the return sweep. I did my best not to respond. Her hand traced down over my stomach , over my triangle reached into my boxers. She fished around and it seemed like there was a momentary glitch in time. I was not what she was expecting , at all.

If you don’t know already this, when a woman’s holding any man by his penis it's like being trapped in an invisible force field preventing further movement. I was splayed out on my floor immobilised. Carol must have reasoned it would be embarrassing for me if she stopped at this point . She momentarily considered things, and then asked me, in her conversational voice, if maybe I would like blow job. She crawled over me , rested weight on my stomach and my boxers were parted. I pulled her around and lifted her T -Shirt over her buttocks and got the most beautiful earthy ,sweet aroma of woman. I traced the outline of her pussy with my tongue. It was wet, and larger than Amy’s . I gently sucked the area between her pussy and her asshole. Her lips gaped at me when I touched it with my finger. She said “Please. Don’t get me worked up if you can’t make me come. I won’t be able to sleep.” I promised to do my best, and explained As I could make Amy come, all things being equal there shouldn’t be a problem.

I rolled Carol on her back and for the next twenty minutes or so I went through my entire knowledge of pussy licking and finger-sex. ( Which I don’t think she found too experienced) Eventually she came with four of my fingers and my knuckles jammed inside her .(Any more than two would have hurt Amy, but Carol had pushed my other fingers in and beagn fucking my hand from the start) My tongue ached from licking and pushing into her when I took my hand out.


She went back to what I think she had originally intended . My nose and mouth was full of her pussy- scent drying on my face , and I had the sensation of her warm lips pushing down on my erect little shaft. A set of teeth gently passed over, grazing my glans. Then the suction started and of course I didn’t last more than a minute . As I was about to come, Carol pulled away and said “please don’t come in my hair” .She finished me off with her hand. When I came, I had to take her hand off my dick before it started hurting. Maybe her other men came for longer and ejaculated more than me.

Carol coughed, got up , pissed like horse in my toilet and got back into my bed as nothing had happened.There was long embarrassed silence and I drifted off for a while with the mixed sensation of her lips and teeth, and the warm suction dragging cum out of my balls and realising that the happy arrangement with my girl-friends was about to implode. I fell to their totally , uselessy ,( probably) “weird in bed” category.

In the morning Carol grabbed a coffee from my kitchenette, smoked a cigarette out of my window and slipped out of the door without saying much. I politely pretended to be lying in so she could step over bustle around me and get off to lectures. This was really to save her any embarrassment , it wasn’t her fault, I was caught totally off-guard and she genuinely intended to have normal sex with a friend.

That night I’d lain awake and I decided to quit as a student . I didn’t want to go back and face the ridicule, and I just lost a whole bunch of girl-friends. This how ruthless I was about myself in these situations. I guessed my girl-friends would have to find themselves another honorary eunuch .




To cut a long story short. I went back to my dad. He was a decorator and he had retired early due to ill health . `I feigned a nervous breakdown- due to the pressures of coursework and borrowed £500.00 , his van ladders his brushes and his tools.

Two years passed . I had my own flat and quickly into the routine of passing time. Decorating is a total zombie job. When I got home I read profusely, sketched and painted water-colours. Oils were too “glossy” and smelled too much like work.

At night I imagined the whole planet outside my window humping, fingering and licking itself to sweet oblivion. I imagined the silent music of lovemaking going on outside, thinking: with seven billion people on the planet there must be a rising chorus of ongoing orgasm firing off every moment of the day in different parts of the world. I drew detailed sketches of every conceivable range and aspect of sexuality, and wanked myself off when it was time to sleep. I had a huge portfolio of erotic work, and yet I figured in none of it. My existence had its own esoteric separate structure, distinct from the world’s organic rhythms and pulse . It was a kind of half life, but better than a string of inevitably failed attempts at one fully lived .

The day my life life changed: I had the contract for a large victorian house divided up into student flats. I was handed master key . The landlord was supposed to inform the tenants I was going to start work. But he never got round to posting the notes through their doors.


I climbed the stairs to the highest attic room . I went straight in at eight thirty with a set of clean dust sheet and dropped them on the floor. When I looked around I noticed the neat stacks of books which were mostly on the floor due to a lack of space on the shelves. The windows had these kind of monastic arches and gave a view over the chestnut trees into the city. There were weights, sports gear was drying on a folding rack. I walked over to a cork notice board . Interspaced between gallery postcards, were some original sketches. Some were erotic, some plain human. They were honest , enhancing nothing, nor did they detract from the human dignity of the subject. When I examined the sketches, they brought the whole room into coherence. Then I saw what I took to be a self portrait, and recognised the sitter.

I think we must have some kind of instinct to recogonise and make sense of patterns, in a way others, unlike us, can not have. I knew within a few minutes I was in the room of a fellow traveller, and this was a female fellow traveller. I have only ever spotted one other, anything like myself in this city . I’d glmpsed her going to, and leaving the universtity gym, at times when it would be least used. I’ was running the other way on the opposite side of the road to her and I could feel her. Once, I was sitting on the lower deck of a bus and she was jogging up the road out of the city, from this area . In that moment I knew. She’d picked me, out recognising her and turned her head towards me as the bus was pulling off.

This room had to be hers.
 
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Don't worry, please just tell me what you think . I'm not a fragile person by any means, and I would like to develop my writing skills so I can have a really good try at writing erotic fiction. For whatever reason , even if you want to say "this is plain crap, tear this up and find another style, subject," whatever- please let me know. By its nature: honesty never insulted anyone .

I am so bored by the way. I'm trying to complete a tax return, and I really want to do a thousand other things, anythng else , today. So feedback would be a massively welcome break from this.
 
This was actually very painful to read, sad. When I started reading I assumed wrongly that you were attempting a 'story' story, but then as I went on I realized it was truly just an essay, or the first chapter of an autobiography. At times it was very poignant, at others it was confusing. There were times when you didn't have subject-verb agreement and times when the article was dropped, but those are minor, even if they do cause the reader to stumble.

I also had trouble tracking the time order. Once you mentioned university and being part of a female group, then later you mention college and your girlfriend. We Americans don't really distinguish between university and college, but I eventually assumed by 'college' this was your version of what we call 'high school'. There was also other event jumping that left me a little confused.

This, however, is my favorite paragraph and I think it's brilliant.

"At night I imagined the whole planet outside my window humping, fingering and licking itself to sweet oblivion. I imagined the silent music of lovemaking going on outside, thinking: with seven billion people on the planet there must be a rising chorus of ongoing orgasm firing off every moment of the day in different parts of the world. I drew detailed sketches of every conceivable range and aspect of sexuality, and wanked myself off when it was time to sleep. I had a huge portfolio of erotic work, and yet I figured in none of it. My existence had its own esoteric separate structure, distinct from the world’s organic rhythms and pulse . It was a kind of half life, but better than a string of inevitably failed attempts at one fully lived ."

Your last two paragraphs were also well-done and intriguing. I'm too much of a novice writer myself to know if those last two are just a great cliffhanger to the next chapter, or if my feeling of incompletion is accurate.

If you're going to tell this story with some quotes and scene descriptions, you might want to consider telling it as strictly a story, but that will take some major re-working and fleshing it out. Almost every place you tell us what happened would need to be turned into an active scene with dialogue and description of movement, etc.

It's sincere and brings me into the pain you feel, also, I think it's a side of sexuality that needs to be honestly shared, so I'd really like to encourage you to get a good editor (might take a try or two to get one you can work with) and put in the time it'll take to get it right, then put it out there. It's never going to get the votes and scores of a hot stroker, but it doesn't mean it's not important or worthy, and you never know who you might connect with.

I wasn't very specific, but I hope this helps in some small way.

:rose:
 
Hi HybridM,
Kudos to you for having the guts to post something so honest. I also found it sad to read - your isolation shines through. I agree with everything Driphoney said, in terms of editing and putting this out there. I feel there will be many people who will identify with your experiences. Don't let the prospect of scores/votes/popularity/negatives distract you from telling your story. The benefits of catharsis and simply practising your craft are priceless.
Best of luck to you,
Truant x
 
I'll get roasted for this but I think you chose the wrong point of view. By using first person you tie yourself up in knots and can't properly express the emotions.

First person can be very effective but only in the hands of an expert. Us, mere mortals, do better sticking to third party until we have found our literary wings.
 
Ok I've got a theory I want to test. I read a lot of very good, well written work on here. Most of it reads like fantasy , role playing , or wish fufillment. The majority of it seems to be constructed around notions of desirable physical and sexual charateristics.

It's not that far removed from the media and advertising portrayal of our bodies. That's the very narrow range on the physical characteristics curve that makes people notice a fashion model , and think "hey that looks good , I could wear that" . But we all know it's a trick, these are beautiful flawless people , and for a moment or two we find ourselves reflected in their image. We fall for it though don't we? We even know how and why the trick works, but we suspend our rationality, and that's why the fashion and cosmetic buisnesses make billions. I'm not knocking it, it's just an example of how our minds work.

A lot of wish fufillment writing is a kind of photogenic erotica. It allows the reader to imagine they are in a role , a body, they would want to be in, maybe for for a night. Its safe because its just a story. It has a primary place here, it fufills a definite need, and it makes great reading.

But I'm asking a question: what if you could take a character , most people would definitely not want to project themselves into the life and consciousness of, and show, how that character could realise all the things described in normal 'photogenic' fanstasy works? Against all odds, and the genetic cards nature has dealt , he finds shared sexual ecstay ,of a kind most people within the normal spectrum of sexuality would end up fantasing about if they could even begin to concieve it existed ?

Imagine the possibilities of two symetrically opposite but perfectly complimentry , totally - intuitively in tune , male female characters , who stop lying , stop having to survive in others company , imagine if they were "made" for each other.
 
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Ok I've got a theory I want to test. I read a lot of very good, well written work on here. Most of it reads like fantasy , role playing , or wish fufillment. The majority of it seems to be constructed around notions of desirable physical and sexual charateristics.

It's not that far removed from the media and advertising portrayal of our bodies. That's the very narrow range on the physical characteristics curve that makes people notice a fashion model , and think "hey that looks good , I could wear that" . But we all know it's a trick, these are beautiful flawless people , and for a moment or two we find ourselves reflected in their image. We fall for it though don't we? We even know how and why the trick works, but we suspend our rationality, and that's why the fashion and cosmetic buisnesses make billions. I'm not knocking it, it's just an example of how our minds work.

A lot of wish fufillment writing is a kind of photogenic erotica. It allows the reader to imagine they are in a role , a body, they would want to be in, maybe for for a night. Its safe because its just a story. It has a primary place here, it fufills a definite need, and it makes great reading.

But I'm asking a question: what if you could take a character , most people would definitely not want to project themselves into the life and consciousness of, and show, how that character could realise all the things described in normal 'photogenic' fanstasy works? Against all odds, and the genetic cards nature has dealt , he finds shared sexual ecstay ,of a kind most people within the normal spectrum of sexuality would end up fantasing about if they could even begin to concieve it existed ?

Imagine the possibilities of two symetrically opposite but perfectly complimentry , totally - intuitively in tune , male female characters , who stop lying , stop having to survive in others company , imagine if they were "made" for each other.

Hi Hybrid,
I think there's a huge difference between sexual fantasy (the portrayal of perfection) and romance (the meeting of two hearts). For me personally, I have always had an alpha male thing going on. If I read to get off, I don't want to see a hairy belly on the page, an ass that hangs down to the knees, it just doesn't do it for me. But when it comes to Romance, if I can identify with the characters and care for them, it isn't important how they look, I care about how they come to love. What you are talking about seems to be Romance to me - although it could well contain erotic passages.
I hope you achieve what you set out to do,
x
 
Elfin . Honest answer. I'm not sure I could do it any better in third .

Maybe someone could translate one paragraph from first to third and see how it reads.

Like you say , mortals do find it difficult. I've recently reread Gatsby ( Fitzgerald) and it is awesome. So if that's the mark ,( and come on , that was voted ( disputedly) the best American novel of the C20th.) ,there's no way I could ever hit that standard given a few simultaneous lifetimes and zero distractions.

Depends what standard we are setting ourselves. I'd like to work first pesron on this , maybe pull the whole thing apart and totally rewrite it, until it achieved a kind of integrity of its own. Maybe we all learn something from the processes as well? But I'm going to keep the central character and the central premise. If it doesn't work, then at least we'll know.
 
Maybe what El is getting at is the thousands of stories on Lit that begin with, "This is a true story about..." None of those stories are "true". They are more like a remembrance of something that occurred, clouded by time.

If this had been done as a story in third person, that is taking yourself out of the story, it may have been more effective. I often write "Jenny Jackson into my stories. Is that really me or just a character?

As DP said this seems to be autobiographical. If you were to write this in first person you should have made that clear in the beginning and that this was the first chapter of a longer piece.

Generally the writing is okay. There are a few keystroke errors such as

“ Relax, :Carol whispered,...
(The colon) and

...three-week -guy at the table...
(the space after week) but an editor would pick those up. We all make those errors because we hurry.

but nothing else really stands out.

You ending begs additional chapters. That's a good device. I liked it. :)
 
Truant- I'm not a whatevermygenderis-awareness crusader or anything , really not, so do worry about the politics of any of this. I'm trying to write outside of all that.

OK question: something Freud suggested years back. We all start out our lives as being 'polymorphorously perverse' and gradually learn to focus on, develop one aspect of our sexuality. If he was correct in this even the most Alpha of Males would start out from that position. So somewhere in the layers that go to make us all who and what we are, there is this in the background. (I don't like connotations of pervese' , so shall we use the term sexual instead.) Maybe that's why there is the curiosity in this area. Long before Freud, the Greeks made some rather nice statues to explore and present the area as well. I'm not sure who the patrons were, but they seem to be lovingly carved and finshed by the artists, as if they understood and knew their subjects intimately and they would have done because a lot of this work has to be done by touch and feel ,
bacause your eyes can't concentrate in the way you hands can on three dimensional surfaces. .-That's another story!- if real, who were the sitters for the statues?

Secondly when you're making love don't you (ever) have a shifting range of mixed feelings, maybe if you're a woman , you can feel like your lover is instilling feelings paternal, maybe fratenal or a close friend, do you ever get the sense of that? If you're male you know your lover can make you feel she is your, sitser, best friend, mother all rolled into one but always really the unique person who is you lover. ( Hey maybe I am pervese after all ! I don't know) But do you know what I mean?

Maybe thats a question to someone who's gay, do you maybe feel all a mixture these things sometimes.

. Something else: do you think a male in this situation would find an Alpha Female sexually attractive? Maybe we'd just think they were beautiful, interesting, fun to be with but ultimately "might as well be another species."
 
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I'll get roasted for this but I think you chose the wrong point of view. By using first person you tie yourself up in knots and can't properly express the emotions.

First person can be very effective but only in the hands of an expert. Us, mere mortals, do better sticking to third party until we have found our literary wings.

Well, in my book, this is one time you don't deserve to get roasted. ;) I think you have a valid point here. (Don't I sound like I freaking know what I'm talkin' 'bout? :eek:) I really thought this was an autobiographical essay of sorts. I guess it was just a novice handling of first person. *holding hands up* I'm a novice, too! A lot of newbie first person stories are as JJ says, and it's generally a flat blow-by-blow retelling.

Elfin . Honest answer. I'm not sure I could do it any better in third .

Depends what standard we are setting ourselves. I'd like to work first pesron on this , maybe pull the whole thing apart and totally rewrite it, until it achieved a kind of integrity of its own. Maybe we all learn something from the processes as well? But I'm going to keep the central character and the central premise. If it doesn't work, then at least we'll know.

If you want to work in first person, give it a go. You're probably going to have to give it a bit more leg-work than if you did it in 3rd, but ... and this is big ... you really have it in your head as first person. It really might be hard for you to flip it around.

That being said, and I really don't have the intellectual background to bolster me that you have, so I could be dead wrong, but it seems that if this is a FIRST STORY, then you have bitten off a lot. Maybe, if this is a really serious thing that you want to get just right, you might consider stepping back first and just writing a silly, or better word, simple story, just to practice the mechanics. In my first ever attempt at a story (Ready, Ch. 1), all I wanted to accomplish was the basics. I had a simple premise, two characters that I had well fleshed out in my head, and I just started in scene by scene. The more I've worked on that one basic romance story, the more I've discovered how hard it is!

As for writing about less than perfect aka real characters, I'm all for it. I would love to do that and really enjoy it when I find it here on Lit. The only reason I haven't yet, is my own concern for not being able to pull it off, but I think Truant makes the right point, it's probably just romance vs. sex. This aspect of imperfection and his inner turmoil because of it was what really drew me into the story in spite the writing issues. Like Jenny, with your cliffhanger, I want to know more, I can't wait for you to help me understand this more-than-soulmates thing.
 
One thought that had genuiney occured to me about five minutes ago. This has to be the most amazing place I have ever visited. Maybe you take it forgranted because of familiarity . You can be anything, anyone you have the power to bring into being here. That is incredible!

I would like to see if I could bring that girl in the room into being and do her justice.

You are right though, if a sculptor doesn't have clue what they are doing, there's going to be an awful lot of broken up rock on the floor by the time they realise what they have done .

Maybe you've got to take a deep breath and have a go. Somebody did when humans looked at a boulder and imagined a form in there .

Worth the risk and I will clean up the mess if it all fall apart in my hands. Someone might want a small rockery, you never know.

I have to get some rest, so goodnight, and as I said, this really is the most interesting place I've ever encountered.
 
Maybe what El is getting at is the thousands of stories on Lit that begin with, "This is a true story about..." None of those stories are "true". They are more like a remembrance of something that occurred, clouded by time.

If that's what Elfin was getting at then once again she's fingered the wrong problem. Starting a story "This is a true story" is indeed a cliche. That has nothing ipso facto to do with writing the story in first person, however.

As usual, you're just a fuzzy thinker, the result of knowing only about half what you need to know to be giving constructive writing criticism.
 
I actually like the first person POV for this. I'm not interested in what everybody else thinks or feels in this story, in this particular circumstance 'you' (your character) is the star and the observations are intimate, personal ones. You can create just as much tension and drama with self-conflict as you can with a cast of characters.
 
Hi , and thank you for your feedback our feeback . It was mixed, thoughtful and it is all really welcome.

Here’s a rough piece, which, If you could , I would like you to consider . Feel free to say what ever you want about it. This is still rough and I’ll take it and polish it if its worth the effort.

One thing that I hadn’t intended or even realised until I read it through, I think , there are two distinct but balanced , intertwined voices telling this story.

Is that just me imagining ? Look when s/he says “what did they expect me to do, cover my head, and walk around in sack cloths....”

Does it work?

Please don’t read if you want comfort zone erotica . This really is not for you. It’s necessarily harsh and at times uncomfortable piece .for some.



I looked around the room . There were piles of books and art folders propped against the wall . It didn’t feel untidy, or cluttered. I found it organised and peaceful. The arched windows perhaps emphasised the feeling of sanctuary. My being in her room without her being informed or prepared, felt like an intrusion, an unwelcome disturbance of her intimate space. I glanced over the artwork and I tilted my head to read the titles on the spines of her books. Here and there were images and books I wouldn’t want an unexpected guest to find if they were mine . I sensed she had had a deeply personal attachment to these possessions .

My accidental being here raised a host of questions. The most crucial , all of what I thought I knew about her might be figments of the imaginary landscape I had been living with the past two years. The reality was, she would more likely than not freak-the -hell-out when caught in the open by an unannounced male decorator . One who had necessarily been going through her possessions order to move them and get the job done. . What was I supposed to say to her “Hey, calm down, I think I’m like you, only possibly the other way around.”- What if she’s not, and she’s a normal female , maybe an artist exploring this field - what do I get myself into there? What if she is like me and has chosen to be in a Lesbian relationship? What if she slammed the door and stormed out leaving my ears ringing with swaer words?


I very carefully took down the cork notice board and placed it gently behind her settee . I found a wide enough gap between the stacks of books on the floor and crouched with my back against the living room wall so I could study the postcards and pictures. I made one intrusion. I un-pined a postcard to her sent from Kafelonia . It was from someone called Katie , I couldn’t make out what her relationship was but now I knew the girls name living in this flat . It was Anna. I pinned the card back into the exact position I detached it from.


The ‘ gallery’ postcards were arranged so they formed balanced blocks of colour . Their bright colours were countered by another area of monotones and Grayscale, the black and whites exploring the the anatomy and structure of their subjects rather than expressing their surface colours. In colour were the warm reds and gold of Gustav Klimt’s Seduction Of Diane. Then the ultra bright of Paul Gauguin’s studies of Tahitian Women . There was shell bracelet hanging from a pin next to the Gaughuin . When it came to the The black and whites, these were architectural studies, or reflections architecture in the waters of Venetian canals from the buildings that ran alongside them.


What I took to be her sketches were studies in degrees of metamorphosis , exploring the balance between male and female in each subject. At the starting point of her study was a ink and pencil sketch of the Borghese Hermaphroditus statue . One later version this Hellenic work is the The Louvre. The image always stops me dead in my tracks, no matter how many times or different ways in which I see it. There is something that makes me want to run my hand over its surface and gently stroke it. If I close my eyes I can imagine contours , ridges, each vertebrae, the smoothness of the lower back and hips . ( Of course touching a statue in The Louvre is forbidden so we have to imagine ) I know it was lovingly carved, and Polycles who laboured on the original carving must have carried its substance, shapes, forms and textures well over bringing it to life in
living dreams.

The story of Hermaphroditus begins with a beautiful god- child boy. He’s originally born from the coupling of Hermes and Aphrodite. The boy has wandered away from home and is bathing in a stream. Salamacis the local female sprit of the water feels his presence and wakes up out of her dreams. She is overcome with desire for the boy, maybe so much, she is compelled to drown him in herself. He struggles, and she calls to the gods so she can become one with him. So intense is her passion,it breaks down their substance and when passion is spent , like metaphor for orgasm, Salamacis and Heraphroditus are no longer two separate beings, but something combined , physically fused together, as one . Obviously they are made of god-stuff so this kind of physical metamorphosis happens to such beings, it can not be undone.

I think Polycles catches the moment Hermaphroditus crawled out of that stream realising the transformation is irreversible. It has everything to do with anticipation, loss and figuring out what to do with the rest of life.


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I stood up and began moving the books to one side of the room so I could cover them and sheet up . I wanted to get some work done so I could make some mental distance think about this some more.

Perhaps Anna’s experiences ran parallel to my own. What would it be like for a female, say at school ? Think about how this is portrayed, for example, in the male imagination of Dickgirl comics - you know , a load of horny schoolgirls find out one of them has a dick and anyone can develop their own fantasies from that starting point. If Anna had lived a parallel to mine then the reality would not be anything like this. I imagined for a female it would be dealing with a range of conflicting, ambiguous cues , signals as well as emotions. I also know groups of normal females can be far worse when it comes to bullying than males.

I tried to imagine how this might be , so I ran through my own male experience in order to create a female mirror image.


Before I went to college I decided to make one attempt at developing my male identity. It was probably the worst mistake of my life. For some unbeknown reason I was selected out of hundreds of candidates to become part of one the Armed Forces Cadetship schemes. I even got lucky in the brief medical. When I was lying on the couch with my underpants around my knees and found it was a very nervous Junior medical examiner who was looking me over. He put his tongue in the corner of his moth and me in the blunt way military medics have, mine was one of the smallest penis he’d ever seen. He didn’t examine my scrotum , he just felt under my balls and assumed one was smaller than the other. I jokingly told him told him they both worked. He tested my feet for some obscure unrelated condition I’d never heard of and can’t recall to this day . When the nerves in my feet didn’t respond as they would had I suffered this condition, he told me to get up and dressed. I’d passed.

I had this incredibly naive teenage belief that I was joining a band of brothers and no matter what, I was I be accepted. You can imagine what happens when thirty or so raging hormonal , physically fit males get shoved together in basic shared accommodation. (Its for this reason am so wary of groups of males, even today ). I actually got through the shower bit with very little bother, I’m not that small, and I had a good , very near male physique. I was one of the fittest strongest in the group and that’s what got me through.

This is not the homosexual paradise of some gay imaginations. There’s a lot of playful aggression that sometimes crosses the line. There’s bullying, one or two kids usually get labelled and picked on. This is a time honoured tradition openly encouraged by older cadets and staff.

Its all experimentation and role playing. The reality is they would mess around physically pretend like they want to shag another lad’s arse, but its all testing, play acting - they don’t mean it. There’s a group wank at a dirty video of women. There’s a dick measuring- erection off the bone competition, , there a log of craps and pisses, lights out tales of girlfriends of which I guess 95% were pure invention.

For one rite of passage my group had discovered Ralgex, big time . Our medial cupboards were full of the stuff, and it was nick-able. This seemed to be industrial strength forces issue muscle relaxant cream . Every now and then, some unlucky bastard would get pasted in the stuff and held down in a cold bath then spend the rest of the night under his sheets burning like fuck . It was a laugh We were like wolf cubs clambering over each other, not meaning to actually hurt or harm, and not quite what sure we even supposed to be doing, or why we were doing it half of the time.


The mistake I made wasn’t a physical one. I gave out emotional support because that is my inclination to do so. It must have been so obvious to anyone observing, I have absolutely no killing instinct whatsoever. I still don’t like guns, I don’t even like eating meat come to think of it . It was company, the camaraderie , that’s all I wanted . The intensity of friendship, like I offered, friendship for its own sake, crosses the military line . It is considered a real expression of weakness and something saps the collective morale in a place like this. I didn’t even realise is my behaviour was having this effect or being monitored and interpreted like this.

Combine my attempts at fraternal affection with male hormones (- A horny teenage male deprived of women will consider fucking anything after a while. He’’ll probably even consider picking up warm roadkill if he’s got it bad enough.) When I let my shields down, some young men caught, in my eyes , flickering across my face and form, the female in me . She moves like chimera, and for moment they were left wondering what it is they had seen . What did they expect me to do? Walk around in sack cloth and cover my head? I found them them staring at me in the way we looked at women in the porn videos and I discovered becoming the centre of unwanted male lust. This kind of lust is disturbing, it makes them become ugly . It creates undercurrents and tensions in the group . These in turn work themselves through to aggression and violence, because that's the way the machinery of these kind of places works.

Maybe in their heightened state of sexual deprivation and awareness they saw and partly understood what I really am. The Seniors must have worked it out too. Within a week I got the the cold bath. There was none of the laughter , the towel slapping , the playful kicking and light punching that usually went with it. This was a serious and solemn , march along the corridor headed by one of the older Cadet group leaders. I was dropped by hard punch to the stomach made to kneel in the bathroom down with the smell of lino tile- piss and cleaning fluid . Some one pushed my head to the floor . I felt a tube of Ralgex rubbed around and squeezed inside my ass ring . My balls were smeared with the stuff . In this position I was told in no uncertain terms to fuck off and resign tomorrow morning because Her Majesty doesn't like queers or, (quote) “ anything like whatever the fuck I was “ , in her forces. There was side kick to my shoulder and I was lying in the dark .

Like Hermaphrodite, patches of my sensitive skin were burning as if I just transformed , and this is how I imagine the original fusion process of male and female flesh to feel . When I opened my eyes I was alone . I could hear normal sounds , I recognised familiar voices coming down the corridor from open bedroom doors . I was looking up at at the lights of the base . The light they cast squared- up in the obscure toilet glass , and through my tears light -beams turned like sword blades. My body was melting , I was weeping sweat and shaking in the cold as my flesh tried to swim against the heat, the fear and the pain.

-

I came around with a jolt. I’d finished Anna’s door and frame without realising it: Where the hell had I just drifted off to?

I formed this image of Anna, at school. It’s no sexual paradise. In a series of fragments I see her. She’s there with a hard eyed group of young women. They are trying to pull a towel out her hands , her feet sliding on a wet tiled floor trying to hold onto to it. All day , I imagine wall of silence and lack of eye contact. A first boyfriend? She has something to tell him, he was thinking with his dick so he didn’t listen too well. They get down to it and the guy flips when he sees her clitoris rising up . It make him think of a miniature of Geiger's Aliens head , lifting , covered in strands of love juice . Maybe then he takes in her strange labia, flushed with red, its outer skin dimpled with the faint texture of strawberry . Maybe the mirage of the girl this boy thinks he/s known all those months soundlessly detonates inside his head. Maybe again , he gets in he pants for a laugh so he can describe the detail to his mates.

I personally couldn’t imagine anything more beautiful than a body like this.
 
If that's what Elfin was getting at then once again she's fingered the wrong problem. Starting a story "This is a true story" is indeed a cliche. That has nothing ipso facto to do with writing the story in first person, however.

As usual, you're just a fuzzy thinker, the result of knowing only about half what you need to know to be giving constructive writing criticism.

Read the story, fuckwit.
 
Well, in my book, this is one time you don't deserve to get roasted. ;) I think you have a valid point here. (Don't I sound like I freaking know what I'm talkin' 'bout? :eek:) I really thought this was an autobiographical essay of sorts. I guess it was just a novice handling of first person. *holding hands up* I'm a novice, too! A lot of newbie first person stories are as JJ says, and it's generally a flat blow-by-blow retelling.



If you want to work in first person, give it a go. You're probably going to have to give it a bit more leg-work than if you did it in 3rd, but ... and this is big ... you really have it in your head as first person. It really might be hard for you to flip it around.

That being said, and I really don't have the intellectual background to bolster me that you have, so I could be dead wrong, but it seems that if this is a FIRST STORY, then you have bitten off a lot. Maybe, if this is a really serious thing that you want to get just right, you might consider stepping back first and just writing a silly, or better word, simple story, just to practice the mechanics. In my first ever attempt at a story (Ready, Ch. 1), all I wanted to accomplish was the basics. I had a simple premise, two characters that I had well fleshed out in my head, and I just started in scene by scene. The more I've worked on that one basic romance story, the more I've discovered how hard it is!

As for writing about less than perfect aka real characters, I'm all for it. I would love to do that and really enjoy it when I find it here on Lit. The only reason I haven't yet, is my own concern for not being able to pull it off, but I think Truant makes the right point, it's probably just romance vs. sex. This aspect of imperfection and his inner turmoil because of it was what really drew me into the story in spite the writing issues. Like Jenny, with your cliffhanger, I want to know more, I can't wait for you to help me understand this more-than-soulmates thing.

Drip, I think you sum things up really well.

Isn't the point always to get the reader to care?
 
Read the story, fuckwit.

Isn't that cute. You can use crude words. Why is it I'm having visions of a spoiled little girl throwing a tantrum because her parents have told her that owning a balloon doesn't mean she knows how to go skydiving? :D
 
sr71plt- I'm not sure the point you are trying to make in your criticism. I have had a look at your stories and artwork and I can see you have put a good deal of effort and creative energy into them . For reasons I hope I have made apparent, the subject matter is not to my taste , but for the genre it is very good . I was hoping that people like yourself could translate writing experince from your genre or field `and apply it mine. So please can you be explicit in your criticism, and I hope someday I can constructively return the favour. Come out and say what you mean, I'm not going to attack you for it, or get into the politics things ( so boring), or be hurt by it , but I will stand my ground if I think it is becoming too personal or bullying- and knowing that should make you feel safe to say what you really think and feel.
 
sr71plt- I'm not sure the point you are trying to make in your criticism. I have had a look at your stories and artwork and I can see you have put a good deal of effort and creative energy into them . For reasons I hope I have made apparent, the subject matter is not to my taste , but for the genre it is very good . I was hoping that people like yourself could translate writing experince from your genre or field `and apply it mine. So please can you be explicit in your criticism, and I hope someday I can constructively return the favour. Come out and say what you mean, I'm not going to attack you for it, or get into the politics things ( so boring), or be hurt by it , but I will stand my ground if I think it is becoming too personal or bullying- and knowing that should make you feel safe to say what you really think and feel.

:confused: I haven't commented on your work at all--let alone criticized it.
 
Danny, you know you should really clear your browsing history before screen before going back to sleep, if you don't want me to find it!

Oh come on now I always know what you are up to. I'm leaving you a note to remind you P. rang earlier, I answered the 'phone and he's wanting his commission finishing, now . Pease find gas bill and rent demand in usual place. So dream whatever you do , wake up and get something done instead of pretending to be some literary talent.

Readers of his work, I am so sorry, my "other half" is so sexually repressed.
I suggested this as a kind of therepy for him.

Readers
Just who the hell do you think landed him Amy and explained in intimate, intuitive detail exactly how a girls body works? I had that chic screaming to the bedroom ceiling for him! ( I loved her as well by the way) Who was it that guided him into a group of females at university and befriended them on his behalf? And then he had to do Carol all by himself to prove he could, and of course he fucked the whole thing up. If he had let me handle her I could have had her eating strips of toast out of his hand , purring in the morning. Oh no , he's got to be typical pig headed male. Look where that got us.


Danny, J is calling around sometime later today. If you answer the door, don't act like a spoilt child- please be polite to him. Get some work done!


You know what maybe I'll tell my side of this story:).

hybridF
 
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OK, is this schizophrenia or your partner rudely hijacking your post? If so, how dare he/she reveal your name, apologise on your behalf and belittle you in a public forum... "I suggested this as a kind of therapy." Can't get much more controlling and disparaging than that. Somebody thinks they own you.

Lose the deadwood from your life and the words will flow...

I have even more sympathy now (even though sympathy is a useless word, found in the dictionary between shit and syphillis)

All the best
x
 
Oh and "pretending to be a literary talent".

What a dog.

HybridF - I couldn't care less about your side of the story.
 
Slow down Truantone. Some things you ought to know. I've know Danny since the day he was born. We actually get along very well considering. I am respectful of this shared body, but you understand compromises have to be made. I have needs as well. I actually love Danny. Before one of us drifts off , at the edge of sleep we talk and share fantasies. We fuse in orgasm. You can't get any closer than this.

The difference between me and Danny is ,he covers himself up, makes himself deliberately unnacttrative . He even avoids eye contact most of the time . Don't offer sympathy , he doesn't need it. ? Danny only has to walk around a swimming pool and when I stir and glance around I can see cocks hardening, and women blushing, but he won't have any of it. I'm literally in my element in the local pool. He simply won't recognise or act on any of this . It's his way. He's shy , but "highly fuckable." - Do you know who our orginal ' mother' is by the way? Check her out.


From what I understand. Danny has this idea that if he writes his piece it will act like a homing beacon and he will discover the symetrical opposite of himself online. Yeh Ok I said ,anything for a quiet life. I've followed Danny's schemes before, he's not the best strataegist. I mean joining the armed forces? Come on.( I'm hiding the passport though.)

I'll go along with this if that's what he really wants, as long as it doesn't take up all his creative energies .

Regarding therapy- when I suggest something to him, I don't put it to him directly
I leave a trail of things for him to discover and make his own mind up. I found this site for him btw.

He's going to have to get up soon at start painting. I need to sleep. I will speak to him about this at 'handover'.

Have you ever slept in a wakened artists imagination , dreamed and swam in his colours ? It is beautiful.
 
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Oh and by the way, I'm sure he won't mind , I'll tell you what actually happened with Amy and how Mr. I'm so-liberated-now introduced the poor girl to my boyfriend.- His cock , , its foreskin you could strecth off the glans with three fingers -made you think of peeling a satsuma .


Danny pretends he can't remember. But I can.
 
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