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[PandoraGlitters]

I wonder if anyone other than me has a distinct preference for people posting their poems in one of the existing threads for more than just one poem? I realize why someone may want to post a single poem, hoping for feedback, as an entire thread--but don't we have a mechanism for getting feedback on poems by submitting them or by putting them in one of the workshop threads? The thing is that if every person who wrote a poem or wanted discussion about one of their poems posted it as an individual thread . . . it would be really hard to find the challenge threads.

Am I alone? Am I being cranky because it's "that time of the month"? Tell me what you guys think.

By the way this is in NO WAY a mean response to those folks posting their poems. I understand completely why you'd want to do that. I'm just thinking it might be good to discuss it though in case there are some people who had never thought of posting their poems to one of the existing threads (like the not sure how many words thread or suddenly passion suddenly thread or writing live thread or the edit a day thread or the gangbang critique thread, etc).

I apologize if I'm being cranky. *waves old lady cane* What do you all think? Is it better to post a whole thread for a single poem? Is there a circumstance when it is better to do that? Is there any difference?

 

[Safe_Bet]

*waves old lady cane*

Having a "Get the hell off my grass, ya damn kids!" day, sweetie?

(and no I'm not gonna respond cuz I'm not here enough anymore to have any kind of a say. )

 

[Angeline]

I wonder if anyone other than me has a distinct preference for people posting their poems in one of the existing threads for more than just one poem? I realize why someone may want to post a single poem, hoping for feedback, as an entire thread--but don't we have a mechanism for getting feedback on poems by submitting them or by putting them in one of the workshop threads? The thing is that if every person who wrote a poem or wanted discussion about one of their poems posted it as an individual thread . . . it would be really hard to find the challenge threads.

Am I alone? Am I being cranky because it's "that time of the month"? Tell me what you guys think.

By the way this is in NO WAY a mean response to those folks posting their poems. I understand completely why you'd want to do that. I'm just thinking it might be good to discuss it though in case there are some people who had never thought of posting their poems to one of the existing threads (like the not sure how many words thread or suddenly passion suddenly thread or writing live thread or the edit a day thread or the gangbang critique thread, etc).

I apologize if I'm being cranky. *waves old lady cane* What do you all think? Is it better to post a whole thread for a single poem? Is there a circumstance when it is better to do that? Is there any difference?

Well I'd prefer it if people posted in established threads like passion, not sure, poetry in progress, and the various "poem a day" threads like yours or (if they're really brave) the 30 dayer. Barring that it'd be cool if people did what Wildsweetone did: start a thread and say this is my thread for my stuff and just write in it. But some people like a thread per poem. So fine. Part of my growing up process is learning not to try to tidy up anyone's life but my own....

Having a "Get the hell off my grass, ya damn kids!" day, sweetie?





(and no I'm not gonna respond cuz I'm not here enough anymore to have any kind of a say. )

Rushes over and makes out with you briefly. (Don't look Amy!)

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Fair enough, Ange. We're all grownups and can do any darn thing we like with our poems and threads. Please allow me to repeat that this is not aimed at any one person but rather at generating discussion on the pros and cons of both approaches. I think the only negative for posting a thread per poem, as far as I can tell, is that it moves the challenge threads (like the 30/30 or 007 or 5 senses or Perfect 10 threads) way down the list. Maybe that is a small price to pay for other people getting instant feedback. Certainly some of the single poem posts have gotten a lot more feedback than I have gotten on anything, which makes me think, hey maybe I should do that too!

I guess I could always go around and bump up some of the threads I worry have gotten too-long buried.

I also want to take a moment to say WELCOME and Pleased to see you to the new poets around here. Please don't take this as me being grumpy. I honestly just hoped people might discuss the pros and cons of the single poem thread approach vs the adding to an established thread approach. Maybe I should've attached a poll! D'oh! I never think of that until too late.

 

[Angeline]

Fair enough, Ange. We're all grownups and can do any darn thing we like with our poems and threads. Please allow me to repeat that this is not aimed at any one person but rather at generating discussion on the pros and cons of both approaches. I think the only negative for posting a thread per poem, as far as I can tell, is that it moves the challenge threads (like the 30/30 or 007 or 5 senses or Perfect 10 threads) way down the list. Maybe that is a small price to pay for other people getting instant feedback. Certainly some of the single poem posts have gotten a lot more feedback than I have gotten on anything, which makes me think, hey maybe I should do that too!

I guess I could always go around and bump up some of the threads I worry have gotten too-long buried.

I also want to take a moment to say WELCOME and Pleased to see you to the new poets around here. Please don't take this as me being grumpy. I honestly just hoped people might discuss the pros and cons of the single poem thread approach vs the adding to an established thread approach. Maybe I should've attached a poll! D'oh! I never think of that until too late.

It's just a discussion m'dear. Everyone should just write and do their thing and it all works out.

 

[champagne1982]

I think some of the older workshop threads have fallen into disuse because the people who first felt the need for their particular raisons d'etre have also fallen away from being forerunners of the forum community here.

New blood will bring new ways and there's not much we can do about the added singularly personal threads filling up the top page. As you say, Dora-dear (feeling like Kanga), maybe if those long-standing challenge and special use threads were brought into focus for the newbies, then maybe they'll get some attention.

I remember when it was viewed as presumptuous to post a poem thread, asking for crit or review before you'd offered some of that good stuff to those you'd like to hear from. Mais, c'est la vie! If people prefer to have unreciprocated feedback floating around, there's no way any rules can be imposed on it, I say maybe you (we) should post a thread with some of our own poetry we'd like to hear opinions on.

Eventually, somebody * maybe me * will post a reciprocating thread but, until that's there, or even when one appears in the thread index, no one can force participation. (fondles the lovely poetesses' tushies) .... Oh no I di'int!

 

[PandoraGlitters]

*feels goosed and a little . . . bubbly!*

Excellent responses, you two. I suppose I could post a thread just for my own poems, but I think I'd get lonely. I like posting rough drafts here writing alongside people. Writing is lonely enough, you know?

 

[champagne1982]

*feels goosed and a little . . . bubbly!*

Excellent responses, you two. I suppose I could post a thread just for my own poems, but I think I'd get lonely. I like posting rough drafts here writing alongside people. Writing is lonely enough, you know?

What we need is a new Same Title Challenge!

Post it and they will poet it.

 

[Angeline]

What we need is a new Same Title Challenge!

Post it and they will poet it.

We could always ask Lauren. She'd come up with something insane and then we'd all be sorry we asked for it.

Anyway I will not be around from this Friday until the following Wednesday or Thursday. I don't think. We're taking a little road trip (we got a new car--a new used car that is--and we're taking the old one to my son--I'm such a nice mommy). I'm not taking my laptop so unless there are computers at the hotel that I can use, I'll be offline. Darn. I'll miss the challenge.

 

[champagne1982]

We could always ask Lauren. She'd come up with something insane and then we'd all be sorry we asked for it.

Anyway I will not be around from this Friday until the following Wednesday or Thursday. I don't think. We're taking a little road trip (we got a new car--a new used car that is--and we're taking the old one to my son--I'm such a nice mommy). I'm not taking my laptop so unless there are computers at the hotel that I can use, I'll be offline. Darn. I'll miss the challenge.

You've got today and any time thereafter to post a challenge response... I just put target dates in there so that we can all crow that we finished on time. Or the converse, moan that we haven't finished yet.

(See? Did it already)

 

[Angeline]

You've got today and any time thereafter to post a challenge response... I just put target dates in there so that we can all crow that we finished on time. Or the converse, moan that we haven't finished yet.

(See? Did it already)

We'll see. Tomorrow I have to do laundry and run a bunch of errands. And Thursday I have an appointment and I have to pack. Mebbe I'll poet, mebbe not.

And when I return? Mebbe, mebbe not.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

I can see both getting too many threads as a problem, but also not sure what is the appropriate thread. There seem to be several different kinds of threads which have been around quite a while and have a lot of posts. An incomplete categorization might be:

- post poems only - little comment or feedback. Examples include '30 poems in 30 days', sensual metaphors'. Only occasional comments.

- banter/play threads - Three words or less, Tihmmnmmish's ... May be some poems, but not its primary role

- challenge threads - often time-limited and have a specific subject focus

There don't appear to be any post here for review threads near the top. AnnaSwirls started one a little while back (what happened to her?) but that thread has lain dormant for a while.

After time the new threads will work their way down as they fade. Perhaps those threads for comments should be bumped or new ones started so new arrivals can post. The drawback to those kinds of threads is that one may have to disentangle from different subthreads to follow your poem.

Enough rambling ruminations for now

 

[butters]

As a relative nOOb here am not entirely sure what's where, I find the single poem threads easier for me to notice and stop by to comment on. A lot of the threads like Writing Live and the passion one are fine for writing in, but I feel awkward about dropping any comments there since it feels disruptive to the perceived general flow of the thread. Are we meant to comment there

The danger comes from too many people posting individual pieces every day. It can swamp a board and make for too few replies for poets eager to get feedback. Then again, it also allows the reader to pick and choose which pieces they might wish to respond to withou any stigma attached as to why they didn't comment on x's piece when they did y's. People are hungry for feedback and frequently lazy in giving it. This is the nature of poetry forums. Some are established on the 'post 3 comments before posting a poem' idea - this can work, but any system's open to abuse. Some of the lazier writers will simply drop a meaningless line or two before shlepping up yet another poem. If only moderation, thoughtfulness and restraint were employed as often as enthusiasm, talent, and lack thereof, there'd be no problems to be considering here.

In any system, these selfish, needy people generally get identified soon enough and their work more or less ignored by which time they tend to post a couple of moans and then move on to another forum.

 

[Epmd607]

I wonder if anyone other than me has a distinct preference for people posting their poems in one of the existing threads for more than just one poem? I realize why someone may want to post a single poem, hoping for feedback, as an entire thread--but don't we have a mechanism for getting feedback on poems by submitting them or by putting them in one of the workshop threads? The thing is that if every person who wrote a poem or wanted discussion about one of their poems posted it as an individual thread . . . it would be really hard to find the challenge threads.

Am I alone? Am I being cranky because it's "that time of the month"? Tell me what you guys think.

By the way this is in NO WAY a mean response to those folks posting their poems. I understand completely why you'd want to do that. I'm just thinking it might be good to discuss it though in case there are some people who had never thought of posting their poems to one of the existing threads (like the not sure how many words thread or suddenly passion suddenly thread or writing live thread or the edit a day thread or the gangbang critique thread, etc).

I apologize if I'm being cranky. *waves old lady cane* What do you all think? Is it better to post a whole thread for a single poem? Is there a circumstance when it is better to do that? Is there any difference?

I remember saying pretty much the same thing in a thread where ArielGoddess or someone asked if it was cool to post a zillion threads a day, and I got jumped on for it. People came out of the woodwork to tell me that you can post individual poems all day long. That's about the time I stopped visiting poetry discussion.

 

[butters]

I remember saying pretty much the same thing in a thread where ArielGoddess or someone asked if it was cool to post a zillion threads a day, and I got jumped on for it. People came out of the woodwork to tell me that you can post individual poems all day long. That's about the time I stopped visiting poetry discussion.

I don't know the backstory, but sometimes it's about the way you phrase things. And what sort of demographic is posting at that particular time. If you said this at a time when lots of members were actively posting lots of new poems in idividual threads then you were always gonna be kind of swimming against the tide.

Maybe now is a good time for you to revisit the poetry discussion threads if you have a view you think worth sharing?

 

[Epmd607]

Special note for Ishtat in case he reads this post: You're rubbish!

Addendum: Cal Y. Pygia, stop posting five poems within one submission.

 

[Epmd607]

I don't know the backstory, but sometimes it's about the way you phrase things. And what sort of demographic is posting at that particular time. If you said this at a time when lots of members were actively posting lots of new poems in idividual threads then you were always gonna be kind of swimming against the tide.

Maybe now is a good time for you to revisit the poetry discussion threads if you have a view you think worth sharing?

Hey, how come you don't submit poems? I went over to your profile but you don't have any. I can't give you my view on poetry unless I see your poems. I think I've seen them in threads, but I don't wanna search through a bunch.

 

[butters]

Hey, how come you don't submit poems? I went over to your profile but you don't have any. I can't give you my view on poetry unless I see your poems. I think I've seen them in threads, but I don't wanna search through a bunch.

You can offer your views on anyone's poetry, can't you? not just mine, lol.


I have put some up in threads but not submitted here to Literotica.com. Mainly due to getting pieces ready to submit elsewhere to on-line/hardcopy magazines and in prep to send to an agent. possibly. Most of them aren't interested in work already published - and that includes on-line publication at the main Lit site. And then there's my own site. The stuff here is mostly what I've actually written here or specifically FOR the threads. I'll find a few links for you shortly.

 

[Epmd607]

I have put some up in threads but not submitted here to Literotica.com. Mainly due to getting pieces ready to submit elsewhere to on-line/hardcopy magazines and in prep to send to an agent. possibly. Most of them aren't interested in work already published - and that includes on-line publication at the main Lit site. And then there's my own site. The stuff here is mostly what I've actually written here or specifically FOR the threads. I'll find a few links for you shortly.

You have a poetry site? PM me a link if you don't think I'm a stalker. I used to run a poetry magazine, have edited a couple since. My favorite poems are published, I haven't written anything new in a while. Poems that I'd never submit I post here.

 

[butters]

You have a poetry site? PM me a link if you don't think I'm a stalker. I used to run a poetry magazine, have edited a couple since. My favorite poems are published, I haven't written anything new in a while. Poems that I'd never submit I post here.

I'm currently building it. Slowly. I used to run one before with my now ex, but he took it down and since he did all the technical stuff it's slow going for me right now - plus I keep getting distracted here! Was yours an online or hardcopy or both?

 

[Epmd607]

I'm currently building it. Slowly. I used to run one before with my now ex, but he took it down and since he did all the technical stuff it's slow going for me right now - plus I keep getting distracted here! Was yours an online or hardcopy or both?

online and yearly 'best of' print anth

 

[butters]

these are mostly what i have here, i think. live writing's a good exercise

..but none of them are brilliant by any standards. by all means fire away and improve any of them. that's sort of the point of them being here, that and fun

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=354857&page=18
posts 1703 and 1737

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=113357&page=11
live writing:
posts 1039, 1037, 1036

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=656817
007 challenge, post 25 (a little light bondage poem Oh)
post 26 (same bond theme - poem Oh Oh - undercover agents)
post 30 (3rd in series)
post 48 (4th)



actually, I'm gonna grab one from my hardrive that could bear a little overhaul and post it up as a separate thread. maybe you can chew on it a bit, see what you can suggest to help it.

 

[Remec]

I can see both getting too many threads as a problem, but also not sure what is the appropriate thread. There seem to be several different kinds of threads which have been around quite a while and have a lot of posts. An incomplete categorization might be:

- post poems only - little comment or feedback. Examples include '30 poems in 30 days', sensual metaphors'. Only occasional comments.

- banter/play threads - Three words or less, Tihmmnmmish's ... May be some poems, but not its primary role

- challenge threads - often time-limited and have a specific subject focus

After time the new threads will work their way down as they fade. Perhaps those threads for comments should be bumped or new ones started so new arrivals can post. The drawback to those kinds of threads is that one may have to disentangle from different subthreads to follow your poem.

A while back, one of TPTB set up companion threads for some (if not all) of the poem threads so that those threads could remain discussion-free in the same way that the daily review thread has a main thread for reviews and another thread for comments, discussions, or simply thank yous.

Perhaps, some of those poem-and-companion threads could be made Sticky? Not to discourage people from making individual threads, but to keep the established ones from wandering off the first page.

 

[Angeline]

A while back, one of TPTB set up companion threads for some (if not all) of the poem threads so that those threads could remain discussion-free in the same way that the daily review thread has a main thread for reviews and another thread for comments, discussions, or simply thank yous.

Perhaps, some of those poem-and-companion threads could be made Sticky? Not to discourage people from making individual threads, but to keep the established ones from wandering off the first page.

Hiya Remec. It's a good idea about the companion threads. They're out there we know, on some page, for Passion and Writing Live. They just need to be found and bumped. And if people keep bumping them they stay on the first page of the forum.

Personally, I'd love to see the pic-a-thon threads revived--we did some good work there. I am however wary of making anything else sticky because it gets to the point where the whole first page is sticky, which seems too "rules-focused" to me. And there are always people here who hate a bunch of sticky threads and/or see it as evidence of the "clique" throwing its weight around because the mods (and their friends, I guess would be the thinking) get to choose which threads get stuck. In other words, there is no way to make everyone here happy lol. That's why I always want to just let us all live and let live and use the tools we have (like ignore) to avoid anything that really bugs us (individually).

Otoh if you were to ask, say, Lauren, she'd just stick whatever she wanted and tell me to stop obsessing over it.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

I guess everyone has different reasons for posting however they post. I like to write alongside people and will ask a few trusted friends for feedback (of course I appreciate feedback how and when I can get it, but recognize that backslapping isn't going to help me much as a writer). I suppose if I'm worried about the challenge threads I love disappearing that I should bump them up now and then.

Thank you all for jumping in on this and being part of the discussion.