Um, okay (political)

[rgraham666]

Apparently some people think Obama needs a military intervention.

After reading about these people, The Oath Keepers, a couple of weeks ago I find this article quite disturbing.

 

[sadangel]

Apparently some people think Obama needs a military intervention.

After reading about these people, The Oath Keepers, a couple of weeks ago I find this article quite disturbing.

Deeply disturbing.

 

[amicus]

Damnit all to hell, 999, you have just exposed the skeleton of the plot line of my novel in progress!

I don't even have a title yet! Just miles and miles of research, y'know, Carrier Battle Groups, Islamic Terrorist cells in Ottawa and Vancouver BC, with easy access to the borders. And how, most efficiently to darken Canada and the US via a collapsed power grid.

I guess great minds think alike, eh?

Amicus

Oh, by the way, I filed both links and a follow up from one...thanks....fine addition to my research...

 

[TE999]

Damnit all to hell, 999, you have just exposed the skeleton of the plot line of my novel in progress!

I don't even have a title yet! Just miles and miles of research, y'know, Carrier Battle Groups, Islamic Terrorist cells in Ottawa and Vancouver BC, with easy access to the borders. And how, most efficiently to darken Canada and the US via a collapsed power grid.

I guess great minds think alike, eh?

Amicus

Oh, by the way, I filed both links and a follow up from one...thanks....fine addition to my research...

Hey! He's 666...I'm 999...get your numbers straight, willya!

The POTUS is de jure the CIC, but the real physical power in this country is de facto the military. Every person who joins the service swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and the United States. Who's in charge of the government at the time isn't mentioned.

There have been numerous movies and books about how the military attempts to usurp the government for a variety of reasons...or go rogue and try to or do start a war. These scenarios are usually written by people who distrust and fear the military on general principles. In the main, that is exactly what they are...fiction...but the attitudes of those in uniform described in these fictions are taken as the gospel by many who, like William Jefferson Clinton, 'loathe the military'.

These are dangerous times. Boldness, courage and fortitude will be required to carry America through unscathed. Let's hope there's some left in Washington.

 

[DesertPirate]

Unless something really stupid and extremely dangerous is done by the campaigner in chief nothing will happen. The Officers of the U. S. Military take their oath very seriously, unlike most politicians. The Military are honourable and trustworthy, unlike politicians.


Obamas speech last week made me want to scream: Now is the time (repeated ad nauseum) for him to shut the fuck up and actually do something!

 

[amicus]

Oh, damn! Sorry TE, I was just pulling a chain with the inverted numbers and completely forgot yours, my apologies...

Nice post...I served on a naval vessel, the 799, and I tend to get confused with that too, sometimes, when I am in my cups....

Y'know TE999, with a little effort we could mimic a 'usual suspects' ploy and Hijack the thread!

Such evil thoughts I have, mea culpa, mea culpa.....(not really)



ami

 

[voluptuary_manque]

John L. Perry is basically mouth-foaming rabid. As Tom said, the U.S. High Command takes their promises far more seriously than politicians do. And let's not even get into a discussion of self-promoting bloggers.

 

[amicus]

]Unless something really stupid and extremely dangerous is done by the campaigner in chief nothing will happen. The Officers of the U. S. Military take their oath very seriously, unlike most politicians. The Military are honourable and trustworthy, unlike politicians.


Obamas speech last week made me want to scream: Now is the time (repeated ad nauseum) for him to shut the fuck up and actually do something![/[/I]QUOTE]

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You make a valid point DP; I would temper it with a statement by the Officer Obama placed in charge of the War in Afghanistan that indicated he would resign if not given the tools to do his job.

I also refer you to another time in recent history, the Jimmy Carter debacle over a failed mission and a demoralized mititary following the withdrawal from Vietnam.

Reagan reinforced basic American values and military strength, the First Bush held it firm and Clinton gutted it. I am not the only one who remembers such sad chapters in history.

If the US, under the current adminstration begins to withdraw from the Middle East and does not actively engage the Iranians and the North Koreans, our active Military forces may not react, but others will.

I would offer this also, that few if any, active military would fire upon American citizens protesting the downfall of a nation.

Amicus

 

[TE999]

Oh, damn! Sorry TE, I was just pulling a chain with the inverted numbers and completely forgot yours, my apologies...

Nice post...I served on a naval vessel, the 799, and I tend to get confused with that too, sometimes, when I am in my cups....

Y'know TE999, with a little effort we could mimic a 'usual suspects' ploy and Hijack the thread!

Such evil thoughts I have, mea culpa, mea culpa.....(not really)



ami

No problemo. Just goofin' on ya.

Y'know, I think we did hijack this thread...for the moment anyway. Interesting subject matter, tho. I wasn't aware emotions were running so high in so many places. There is definitely a ground swell building in Astroturf/flyover country against the high-handed attitudes in Washington.

Just to end the numbers confusion, call me Tom.

 

[Huckleman2000]

So, are we to conclude that some of you found Slim Pickens' ride on the nuclear missile to be masturbatory material?

I mean, wank all you want. But I prefer my sexual fantasies to be separate from my political choices.

 

[DeeZire]

There is definitely a ground swell building in Astroturf/flyover country against the high-handed attitudes in Washington.

Funny thing about your groundswell - it seems to be inversely proportional to IQ points. (Okay, that's not exactly fair, since one can still have a functional IQ while living inside a bubble of misinformation. Kudos to the Right Wing Spin Machine for doing such a bang up job of brainwashing the clueless.)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm reading a book about World War 2.

Germany attacked Poland with 95 army field divisions in 1939. Depending on how you count noses, 95 divisions are about 1,000,000 troops. In 1939 the United States had 9 army field divisions at 1/2 strength, and a national guard at half strength. The US was ranked 17th in military strength. The Brits were almost as impotent.

 

[ishtat]

I'm reading a book about World War 2.

Germany attacked Poland with 95 army field divisions in 1939. Depending on how you count noses, 95 divisions are about 1,000,000 troops. In 1939 the United States had 9 army field divisions at 1/2 strength, and a national guard at half strength. The US was ranked 17th in military strength. The Brits were almost as impotent.

Valid observation. In 1939 The Belgian Army was larger than the US Army and the Belgians surrendered as fast as they possibly could. The outcome of the second world war owed more to industrialists in both the USA and USSR than it ever did to army generals. - but Industrialists don't write military histories.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Valid observation. In 1939 The Belgian Army was larger than the US Army and the Belgians surrendered as fast as they possibly could. The outcome of the second world war owed more to industrialists in both the USA and USSR than it ever did to army generals. - but Industrialists don't write military histories.

On the otherhand the CSA cobbled a world class army and navy together over-night. Of course, it helped that most of the US officer corps were Southerners. Lincoln started with Gomer Pyle USMC.

 

[ishtat]

On the otherhand the CSA cobbled a world class army and navy together over-night. Of course, it helped that most of the US officer corps were Southerners. Lincoln started with Gomer Pyle USMC.

True but maybe the more important observation is that eventually the Industrial states (the North) beat the Agrarian states (the South) and even then, the North's eventual commanders Grant, Sherman etc were pretty ordinary. They just looked good after McClennan

To my mind Grant won battles largely because he had more men and materiel and was content to have swathes of them die provided he won. I read an article recently that compared Grant with the Russian generals of the WW11. The writer contended that they were alike in their complete indifference to losses provided they came out in front. A bit harsh perhaps but the writer had a point
unfortunately I cannot remember the exact source.

 

[rgraham666]

As one of Tom Clancy's character pointed out, "Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics."

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Unless something really stupid and extremely dangerous is done by the campaigner in chief nothing will happen. The Officers of the U. S. Military take their oath very seriously, unlike most politicians. The Military are honourable and trustworthy, unlike politicians.


Obamas speech last week made me want to scream: Now is the time (repeated ad nauseum) for him to shut the fuck up and actually do something!

Let me throw this in the discussion...

US under Obama could slide into military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal

Tim Teeman

Barack Obama is failing as President and the US is in danger of sliding into a military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal, the American essayist and intellectual.

Here's the rest of the aritcle http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6854498.ece

(Sorry it's from that left wing, anarchist rag, The Times of London.)

 

[voluptuary_manque]

However, I hardly find Vidal a valid source. He's the kind of American that anti-American French intellectuals like.

 

[amicus]

Hello Jenny, thank you for the link.

I will put aside my opinion on Gore Vidal and instead make a case that uses your link as a focal point.

Regardless of the sources, and many from across the political spectrum, they all agree the Obama's Presidency is a failure before the first year is complete.

There were just muted whispers here and there in the beginning, but the hue and cry has risen gradually and when leaders of the Western World, I refer to Sarkozy of France, describe Obama as naive and egotistical and even arrogant, believing in his own infallibility, then the charges and assessments begin to aquire strength and veracity.

It is not just right wing idealogues, pundits and talking heads, but across the globe, criticism is mounting.

A little late in my opinion. I took him and his Chicago cronies at their word during the campaign, as did many.

Amicus

 

[DeeZire]

Let me throw this in the discussion...

US under Obama could slide into military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal

Tim Teeman

Barack Obama is failing as President and the US is in danger of sliding into a military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal, the American essayist and intellectual.

I'd have to agree with GV, at least on this point:

America has no intellectual class and is rotting away at a funereal pace, he believes. “We’ll have a military dictatorship soon, on the basis nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

 

[Liar]

Regardless of the sources, and many from across the political spectrum, they all agree the Obama's Presidency is a failure before the first year is complete.

Says more about them and the times we're in than about Obama.

Kids today. So impatient. Instant nirvana or bust.

I blame MTV.

 

[penandpaper]

Hello Jenny, thank you for the link.

I will put aside my opinion on Gore Vidal and instead make a case that uses your link as a focal point.

Regardless of the sources, and many from across the political spectrum, they all agree the Obama's Presidency is a failure before the first year is complete.

There were just muted whispers here and there in the beginning, but the hue and cry has risen gradually and when leaders of the Western World, I refer to Sarkozy of France, describe Obama as naive and egotistical and even arrogant, believing in his own infallibility, then the charges and assessments begin to aquire strength and veracity.

It is not just right wing idealogues, pundits and talking heads, but across the globe, criticism is mounting.

A little late in my opinion. I took him and his Chicago cronies at their word during the campaign, as did many.

Amicus

I'm a little tired of hearing everyone say this (bold). Anyone can look back and see what I think of Obama - which is not much. He's a Chicago (my old home town) crony and not to be completely trusted. However, to say he's been a failure is a bit of an oversimplification. He inhereted a fucking mess! (You all can argue whether Clinton or Bush started it.) A bigger mess than any president in the last 30 or 40 years. Has he done the right thing? Who knows. (It's doubtful, but I hope so.) But, for those of you that bitch he hasn't done anything, I'm quite certain Amicus would disagree.

 

[amicus]

Interesting, P&P and challenging at the same time.

I make no secret that I am ideologically opposed to everything Obama and the far left stand for. You may have noticed that I am not the only one, nor are there just a few who are appalled at the direction this new administration is taking the country.

This is the last day of September. Obama came into the office on January 20th, so did Mr. Bush, eight years ago, in January of 2001. Not eight months had passed in the Bush adminstration before the Twin Towers fell.

Not to minimize the seriousness of the economic plight the US finds itself in now, but it doesn't hold a candle to the events of 9/11, now, does it?

Amicus

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Early in the campaign I went on record as saying that there was a very strong probability that this presidency would tank. If the old white guy tanked, it would be business as usual. If Hillary tanked, it would set women's political possibilities back twenty years. What I was really afraid of was that Obama might tank. As yet, I don't see it happening. Others will look though their own color of spectacles. I would, however, like to point out that all of the outcomes predicted with quivering foreboding haven't made it out of committee, yet. So where's the catastrophe?

 

[amicus]

Y'Know, VM, when a fella puts a fishing line in the water with bare hook, one can draw an opinion; when that same fella puts a line in the water without a hook...it is difficult to believe he still wants to catch a fish.

Amicus