Riddle me this Lib’s

[firespin]

No help? Neat how you dismissed the benefit out of hand. Explain.

"worse" means poorer coverage, higher cost, or both. If the public option had that characteristic, it would be no help, right? We already have enough high cost, poor coverage plans.

 

[Pookie]

Do you love Walmart?

I shop there quite often. Great deals and quite often convenient. I shop a lot of places. What's your point?

 

[Pookie]

"worse" means poorer coverage, higher cost, or both. If the public option had that characteristic, it would be no help, right? We already have enough high cost, poor coverage plans.

To those with no health insurance, why does it have to be "no help" by default? Do you really want an honest debate or to preach wingnuttery?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I shop there quite often. Great deals and quite often convenient. I shop a lot of places. What's your point?

Did Walmart destroy "Main Street?"

 

[firespin]

To those with no health insurance, why does it have to be "no help" by default? Do you really want an honest debate or to preach wingnuttery?

You're missing my point, perhaps because you think I'm saying something I'm not.

Consumer has private health care plan choices A, B, C. One of them is the best for him in terms of coverage and cost.

(With the bills under consideration, the differences between plans will be reduced, so the plans will look more similar, but one will still seem best.)

Government introduces plan D.

If the plan is worse than A, B, and C, why bother introducing it? Who would take it?

If it is better than A, B, and C, everybody will sign up for it, not just people with no coverage now.

That was my point.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

To those with no health insurance, why does it have to be "no help" by default? Do you really want an honest debate or to preach wingnuttery?

Who doesn't have health insurance?

Why is it so important?

We have medicare, medicaid, and law that requires treatment of the indigent.

 

[Pookie]

Did Walmart destroy "Main Street?"

Not mine. Was your main street in that bad a shape?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And like Walmart, they can run at a loss long enough to destroy competition.

Also like all evil capitalists, why would our employer continue to spend money on your insurance when he can save money by dropping coverage all together and "putting" you on the government plan?
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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Not mine. Was your main street in that bad a shape?

So, you have no problems with Walmart. Good, I'll bookmark this for future reference.

[Mark = Pookmark ]

 

[Pookie]

Who doesn't have health insurance?

Why is it so important?

We have medicare, medicaid, and law that requires treatment of the indigent.

Sure, it pays for them when they're in the emergency room. When they could've been treated for a whole lot less if they'd been seeing a doctor for preventive care. And guess who pays for that expensive care through higher premiums.

AJ, this isn't rocket science. Even you can do the math. Heh.

 

[Saint Peter]

Did Walmart destroy "Main Street?"

WalMart sells crappy stuff.

 

[Pookie]

So, you have no problems with Walmart. Good, I'll bookmark this for future reference.

[Mark = Pookmark ]

And yet more intellectual dishonesty. If you're going to put words in my posts, then you really don't need me for this conversation.

 

[firespin]

To those with no health insurance, why does it have to be "no help" by default? Do you really want an honest debate or to preach wingnuttery?

I could ask if you want an honest debate at this point...or do you just want to preach expansionist government?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And yet more intellectual dishonesty. If you're going to put words in my posts, then you really don't need me for this conversation.

How's that?

I just want to remind myself in the future that you don;t have a problem with Walmart since almost everyone on the Left seems to, take Chicago, for example (ACORN KO, ACORN)...



I need to remind myself, in the heat of discussion, what a champion of capitalism you are...

...

intellectual dishonesty

One of the words no longer allowed in the House of Representatives.

You might be engaging in "hate" speech there honey...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

WalMart sells crappy stuff.

That's the spirit!

And they're not union, are they...

 

[Pookie]

You're missing my point, perhaps because you think I'm saying something I'm not.

Consumer has private health care plan choices A, B, C. One of them is the best for him in terms of coverage and cost.

(With the bills under consideration, the differences between plans will be reduced, so the plans will look more similar, but one will still seem best.)

Government introduces plan D.

If the plan is worse than A, B, and C, why bother introducing it? Who would take it?

If it is better than A, B, and C, everybody will sign up for it, not just people with no coverage now.

That was my point.

I quoted your post. You outright declared that if a private option is worse that it is no help.

"The public option will either be worse than private plans, so no help, or better than private plans, so who would take a private plan?"

Just because it is "worse" than a private plan doesn't mean it will be of no help. You're either arguing from ignorance or displaying intellectual dishonesty. Which is it?

 

[Pookie]

How's that?

How's that? Can you quote where I said I have no problem with Walmart? Or are you just hearing little wingnut voices in your head again?

 

[firespin]

WalMart sells crappy stuff.

I like the way they're able to get Kelloggs, Johnson & Johnson, Hasbro, Fruit of the Loom, Vizio, Wilson, etc, to make special Walmart crappy versions of the same stuff you see in other stores, and put them in the same boxes.

 

[Saint Peter]

That's the spirit!

And they're not union, are they...

Union stores are harder to find each day. Cheap crap is everywhere.

 

[Pookie]

I could ask if you want an honest debate at this point...or do you just want to preach expansionist government?

You could ask, but it would show you really don't see the problem with completely discounting a public option just because it is "worse" than a private plan. But if you really have nothing else to offer, go with the later if it makes you feel better.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Sure, it pays for them when they're in the emergency room. When they could've been treated for a whole lot less if they'd been seeing a doctor for preventive care. And guess who pays for that expensive care through higher premiums.

AJ, this isn't rocket science. Even you can do the math. Heh.

The hospital eats it and you pay higher room rates which leads to higher premiums which means you are being taxed to cover it. That, according to Joe Biden is simply the cost of patriotic duty.

Who is going to pay for this preventative care, and even if we pay for it, how are we going to "force" them to take care of it when they're already failing at taking care of themselves?

So all you are advocating here is a shell-game, one that gives us more government and less freedom and actually saves us nothing...

I've done the math. Heh.

 

[Saint Peter]

I like the way they're able to get Kelloggs, Johnson & Johnson, Hasbro, Fruit of the Loom, Vizio, Wilson, etc, to make special Walmart crappy versions of the same stuff you see in other stores, and put them in the same boxes.

Stinks as bad as rap without the F word.

 

[firespin]

I quoted your post. You outright declared that if a private option is worse that it is no help.

"The public option will either be worse than private plans, so no help, or better than private plans, so who would take a private plan?"

Just because it is "worse" than a private plan doesn't mean it will be of no help. You're either arguing from ignorance or displaying intellectual dishonesty. Which is it?

Why are you saying that? I think I've tried to explain my point here. If the government comes up with a plan that is worse than existing plans, it seems clear to me that this is no help. Why do you think it would be helpful?

If, for example, it is the only plan people can qualify for, then it is not worse than other plans...it is better. The lower qualification criteria is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

You may be confusing the definition of worse and better, perhaps?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How's that? Can you quote where I said I have no problem with Walmart? Or are you just hearing little wingnut voices in your head again?

I think you're reacting the the wingnut voices in your own head.

So, what is your problem with Walmart since you now seem willing to stop avoiding my original question?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Union stores are harder to find each day. Cheap crap is everywhere.

Well, when you have to pay more protection to the government than the Union, you're going to get less union!

Until they make it a law...

Then you get to stand in line for your crap and hope like hell the supply holds out.