Anti Abortion Activist gunned down.

[Pure]

In Michigan, James Pouillon (male, 60s) was demonstrating outside a high school in the town of Owosso, and was shot, fatally, by a person in a passing pickup truck.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/neighbors_lament_death_of_anti.html

not much is known about the trucker, Harlan Drake, 33, arrested and accused of the killing, including whether his motives were political.
he is said to have killed another person in the same time period.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/little_known_about_accused_kil.html

very sad news, indeed.

 

[Stella_Omega]

That's gonna be political fodder for the limbaughers for sure.

One anti-abortionist killed is much much worse than the many doctors who have been murdered and clinics that have been bombed.

ETA
it seems that personal grudge might have been the real motive. In which case, it's not "anti-Abortion activist killed," it's "man killed."

 

[Dragonlipz]

A murderer should be tried and (if found guilty) - executed. So, if this is the right guy then he should be executed......
Did Bill O'Rielly tell him that the guys he shot were murderers?
Did Bill-O suggest that those guys should die for their convictions?

 

[Boxlicker101]

That's gonna be political fodder for the limbaughers for sure.

One anti-abortionist killed is much much worse than the many doctors who have been murdered and clinics that have been bombed.

ETA
it seems that personal grudge might have been the real motive. In which case, it's not "anti-Abortion activist killed," it's "man killed."

For a change, I agree with you. O'Reilly reported this tonight, and seemed to equate this killing with that of Dr. Tiller. I don't believe the two have anything in common, except both victims were church-going men who were shot to death.

Generally speaking, pro-choice people are pro choice. They tend to believe in live and let live and, if the victim was a peaceful activist, they would have done nothing about him. Had he been a guy who roughed up women going to Planned Parenthood or otherwise physically interfered with the rights of others, that might be another matter, but that was apparently not the case.

We'll know more after we learn more about the suspect, who seems to be the killer alright, and the other victim.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I'll hold my tongue until the investigation is over with. From my experience, Whether you are an Anti-Abortionists or a Pro-Abortionists depends on your particular situation.

The story goes - I worked for some years in NW Portland. Every morning I pass an abortion clinic on the way to work in the morning. Daily there was a woman with a daughter in her late teens picketting outside. One bright sunny morning I saw Mrs and Miss picket, heads down, entering the Abortion Clinic, embarrased. I never saw either of them again on the picket line.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

It is only the 20th century baptists and zealots that have found abortion 'against God's will'.

Thomas Aquinas - a saint no less - always argued that life didn't exist before comletion of the first trimester. This is approximately the Jewish take.

In the UK you have the absolutely ridiculous position that abortions are legal up to 24 weeks but babies born live up to 22 weeks should not be ressucitated even if the mother begs.

We in the US avoid a sensible debate in a flurry of gunshots and venom. This has to stop.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

It is only the 20th century baptists and zealots that have found abortion 'against God's will'.

Thomas Aquinas - a saint no less - always argued that life didn't exist before comletion of the first trimester. This is approximately the Jewish take.

In the UK you have the absolutely ridiculous position that abortions are legal up to 24 weeks but babies born live up to 22 weeks should not be ressucitated even if the mother begs.

We in the US avoid a sensible debate in a flurry of gunshots and venom. This has to stop.

Don't worry, Elle. The newest member of the Surpreme Court is going to fix Roe v Wade.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'll hold my tongue until the investigation is over with. From my experience, Whether you are an Anti-Abortionists or a Pro-Abortionists depends on your particular situation.

The story goes - I worked for some years in NW Portland. Every morning I pass an abortion clinic on the way to work in the morning. Daily there was a woman with a daughter in her late teens picketting outside. One bright sunny morning I saw Mrs and Miss picket, heads down, entering the Abortion Clinic, embarrased. I never saw either of them again on the picket line.

Jenny - Hardly anybody is actually pro-abortion. There are millions of people, including me, who recognize that sometimes an abortion is the least bad of several choices that a girl or woman is called on to make. And, of course, there are millions who believe that such a choice constitutes murder.

 

[Pure]

box, no.

box: And, of course, there are millions who believe that such a choice constitutes murder.

no. that's just the rhetoric. scarcely any do, as shown by a) their willingness to consider the act, themselves [lots of baptists and catholics get abortions], and b) their UNwillingness to prosecute formerly pregnant women who resorted to abortion. c) their unwillingness to prosecute clinic workers who, one would think, are 'aiding and abetting.'

 

[Pure]

to elfin

We in the US avoid a sensible debate in a flurry of gunshots and venom.

surely you're not suggesting that the interpretation of life affirming morality be settled by *talk*? can you be serious abou 'pro life' if you're unwilling to pick up a gun, to affirm a principle.

 

[Boxlicker101]

box: And, of course, there are millions who believe that such a choice constitutes murder.

no. that's just the rhetoric. scarcely any do, as shown by a) their willingness to consider the act, themselves [lots of baptists and catholics get abortions], and b) their UNwillingness to prosecute formerly pregnant women who resorted to abortion. c) their unwillingness to prosecute clinic workers who, one would think, are 'aiding and abetting.'

Well, you can't prosecute anybody when there has been no illegal activity. As long as abortions are legal, as I hope they continue to be, the people you mention can not be prosecuted.

I still say there are millions who consider abortion to be murder. That could be as small a number as .67% of the US population. That would be 67/100 of one percent, which would be about two million.

And, of course, there are tens of millions who don't have a strong opinion, which would include the Baptists and Catholics you mention, but who would get an abortion for themselves or their daughters or their sons' girl friends if they felt the need.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Personally, after tracking this story I doubt this had anything to do with the anti-abortion issue. Look at this guy's picture. Does he look like he reads the New York Times? Or does he look like he reads the Weekly World News and really believes in Big Foot and Space Aliens?

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l27/Jenny_Jackson/ScreenShot364.jpg

 

[DG Hear]

Somewhat of a simple answer here IMO:
If someone guns down another person just bcause of their views, (on either side of the fence, should be dealt with as a murderer.

Hopefully most people use a little more common sense. For those that want to do the crime can do the time.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Somewhat of a simple answer here IMO:
If someone guns down another person just bcause of their views, (on either side of the fence, should be dealt with as a murderer.

Hopefully most people use a little more common sense. For those that want to do the crime can do the time.

I think we can all agree on that, but this looks as if the motive was something else. Even so, there is no question it was murder.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think we can all agree on that, but this looks as if the motive was something else. Even so, there is no question it was murder.

This will go down in Limbaugher History as a PRO ABORTION MURDER THOSE IMMORAL PINKO SUBHUMAN BASTARDS!!!!

Thousand and thousands of people will never know that there was another explanation. Anf thousands and thousands of people who do hear that-- will never believe it, because O'Reilly tells them not to.

("Limbaugher" isn't that a great word?)

 

[Boxlicker101]

This will go down in Limbaugher History as a PRO ABORTION MURDER THOSE IMMORAL PINKO SUBHUMAN BASTARDS!!!!

Thousand and thousands of people will never know that there was another explanation. Anf thousands and thousands of people who do hear that-- will never believe it, because O'Reilly tells them not to.

("Limbaugher" isn't that a great word?)

I think you're right about Limbaugh, but I also vbelieve O'Reilly will have enough integrity to admit that the victim's anti avortion stance was no more than incidental to his murder. Here is what seems to be the most recent news report.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gs85ZcvkuS2Kgd4tuOwBy6YFaQBAD9ALTRUG0

I notice the newspaper keeps referring to the victim as an anti-abortion activist.

 

[CharleyH]

In Michigan, James Pouillon (male, 60s) was demonstrating outside a high school in the town of Owosso, and was shot, fatally, by a person in a passing pickup truck.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/neighbors_lament_death_of_anti.html

not much is known about the trucker, Harlan Drake, 33, arrested and accused of the killing, including whether his motives were political.
he is said to have killed another person in the same time period.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/little_known_about_accused_kil.html

very sad news, indeed.

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[DeeZire]

...("Limbaugher" isn't that a great word?)

Cheesy

 

[Stella_Omega]

Cheesy

and stinky!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Cheesy

and stinky!

But no where near as strong as you'd imagine.