Let's talk about fascism

[richard_daily]

Since so many on here don't seem to understand it, and so many people show up to these town hall meetings saying things that they don't at all comprehend and are being spoon-fed by glenn beck and the drudgereport, I want to lay this out in clear and concise English. I know some of you have trouble with English, but it's the only language you seem to have, because I know that you hate Spanish.. which is odd, since one of the worlds first right wing fascists (sorry for the redundancy) spoke it.

and for the record, fascism and nazism are petty much synonymous, although there are differences, we can discuss those if some of you are having trouble understanding (which I anticipate).


Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized


Fascism is:

1. The primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether universal or individual.

2. The belief that one's group is a victim, a sentiment which justifies any action against the groups enemies, internal as well as external.

3. Dread of the group's decadence under the corrosive effect of individualism and cosmopolitan liberalism.

4. Closer integration of the community within a brotherhood (fascio) whose unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary.

5. An enhanced sense of identity and belonging, in which the grandeur of the group reinforces individual self-esteem.

6. Authority of natural leaders (always male) throughout the society, culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the groups destiny.

7. The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle

The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 70, No. 1. (Mar., 1998), pp. 1-23.



The 5 stages of fascism are:


the first stage: proto-fascism - palingenesis
the KKK, modern conservatism, reaganomics, promoting the rapture (the nuclear apocalypse), promising to restore the innocence of "white christian america", etc etc... blah blah blah.

the second stage: taking root - forming parties

depends on certain relatively precise conditions: the weakness of a liberal state, whose inadequacies condemn the nation to disorder, decline, or humiliation; and political deadlock because the Right, the heir to power but unable to continue to wield it alone, refuses to accept a growing Left as a legitimate governing partner." He further noted that Hitler and Mussolini both took power under these same circumstances: "deadlock of constitutional government (produced in part by the polarization that the fascists abetted); conservative leaders who felt threatened by the loss of their capacity to keep the population under control at a moment of massive popular mobilization; an advancing Left; and conservative leaders who refused to work with that Left and who felt unable to continue to govern against the Left without further reinforcement.

The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 70, No. 1. (Mar., 1998), pp. 1-23.

the third stage: the transition to full-fledged government fascism
"strategic action LLC" (wonder why they need an LLC??), the birthers, tea baggers, the use of "shock troops" to disrupt and use carefully scripted speech at public events, the threat of physical violence, and toting guns with the un-spoken threat of using them. None of this speaks to a grass roots movement, it's a coordinated effort to attempt to destabilize this country and isn't exactly what I'd call "patriotic".

the fourth stage: Assuming full control
This one is pretty cut and dry. Eliminate all opposition, establish an iron rule; jail socialists, leftists, trade unionists, gays, those of whatever your chosen scapegoat is, etc...

the fifth stage : radicalization or entropy
Thankfully, we've never seen a successful fascist movement on this planet... and hopefully we never will.

Are you a right wing authoritarian?

Check yourself:
http://personality-testing.info/tests/RWAS/

 

[richard_daily]

In 2004 Dr Laurence Britt outlined the points of known fascist dictatorships around the world, including; Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism

Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media

Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security

Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together

Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected

Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment

Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections

Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Good post.

 

[blunt_trauma]

so where's the porn?

 

[Cade Is Here]

Several of the mcgees here used "Facist Nation"under their avatars here


So would Obama(USA) be added to the list ya think?

 

[where]

so where's the porn?

just fap to the fact he not only bothered to read it but also C&Ped it for your edification

 

[blunt_trauma]

just fap to the fact he not only bothered to read it but also C&Ped it for your edification

i'm not reading it.
there's no pictures.

 

[where]

i'm not reading it.
there's no pictures.

then you need to supply the porn...

 

[richard_daily]

just fap to the fact he not only bothered to read it but also C&Ped it for your edification

It's not all C&P... only the quoted stuff.

 

[richard_daily]

so where's the porn?

In your pants.

 

[where]

It's not all C&P... only the quoted stuff.

my bad. I'll fap over your braininess then

 

[richard_daily]

my bad. I'll fap over your braininess then

Take pictures.

 

[imharmless69]

Good post. I'm continually amazed by the amount of birthers and right-wing idiots on what's, let's face it, a porn board. They should go back to listening to Rush and watching Beck.

 

[Obama_Sucks]

the fifth stage : radicalization or entropy
Thankfully, we've never seen a successful fascist movement on this planet... and hopefully we never will.

We might be seeing one now.

 

[where]

Take pictures.

I have to do it mentally at the moment.

 

[richard_daily]

We might be seeing one now.

You're not really following... are you?

 

[TurdFergeson]

at least the trains ran on time!

 

[where]

You're not really following... are you?

you want me to take pictures of myself mentally masturbating about you?

I'm not getting into serious convo... can't make sense at the moment.

 

[richard_daily]

you want me to take pictures of myself mentally masturbating about you?

I'm not getting into serious convo... can't make sense at the moment.

Works for me.

 

[where]

Works for me.

too

much

pain...

 

[KingOrfeo]

I know some of you have trouble with English, but it's the only language you seem to have, because I know that you hate Spanish.. which is odd, since one of the worlds first right wing fascists (sorry for the redundancy) spoke it.

If you mean Franco, he was no fascist (though he did have fascist, or Falangist, supporters); neither was Augusto Pinochet. They were authoritarians, and traditionalists, but not fascists or totalitarians. In both cases the dictator was "a cop, not an artist."

An excellent source is Fascism: A History, by Roger Eatwell; and here is a fascinating review of it.

 

[TerribleChester]

If you mean Franco, he was no fascist (though he did have fascist, or Falangist, supporters); neither was Augusto Pinochet. They were authoritarians, and traditionalists, but not fascists or totalitarians. In both cases the dictator was "a cop, not an artist."

An excellent source is Fascism: A History, by Roger Eatwell; and here is a fascinating review of it.

You were expecting something other then bullshit propaganda from that retard?

 

[richard_daily]

If you mean Franco, he was no fascist (though he did have fascist, or Falangist, supporters); neither was Augusto Pinochet. They were authoritarians, and traditionalists, but not fascists or totalitarians. In both cases the dictator was "a cop, not an artist."

An excellent source is Fascism: A History, by Roger Eatwell; and here is a fascinating review of it.

Franco was absolutely a fascist, I can see arguments as to why Pinochet wasn't, but other than the staunch religious aspect, he is in most ways.

The spanish civil war was started by fascists, the catholic church there was openly fascist, and hitler and mussolini sent troops and tanks to aid franco's cause and helped achieve victory, and spain is pretty much the founder of the holocaust, because people were killed there simply for not being christian.

How is that not fascist?

 

[richard_daily]

You were expecting something other then bullshit propaganda from that retard?

oh look, it's that guy who lives in the woods, and can't get a girlfriend.

What a stable young man he is.

 

[Karen Kraft]

WOW!

The opening post here is nearly 100% wrong!

Cute, but wrong from a scholarly viewpoint.

It's sort of like defining "Republican" as someone who hates all races except their own and likes to tap a foot next to the urinal -- but with lots of incorrect C&P.