Moderation show-and-tell, anyone?

[sr71plt]

No matter how often you say this it still is not true.

No matter how many times you say it's not true, it still is.

When you yourself stop displaying behavior you say you object to--and admonish your cyber friends when they do it--as you ask everyone to do for you, that's the day you'll have some credibility on voicing your concerns, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[redpaint]

I have no examples for discussion. Those were deleted long ago by their authors. But I have memories.

A few years ago, some of my work was getting a lot of notice. As many can imagine, I was quite proud of all the comments and feedback I was getting and seeing here on the boards. Then one person--whose name I won't mention--took it upon himself to attack one novel I had written because it was nominated for an award. He even admitted that he'd never read it. He said some pretty rude things.

I tried not to respond, but you know how it is. Sometimes you just can't resist. I thought my response was dignified and not at all rude. I told him it was all right and I appreciated the fact that he hadn't read it--that I would appreciate if he never read any of my work. It obviously wasn't his cup of tea.

Big mistake. He came back with a personal attack, acting as if he knew me quite personally (if you get my meaning) and saying that I was nothing more than an embittered middle-aged woman from the lowly mid-west. Those weren't his exact words, but it was the gist of his comments.

I will admit that I was very insulting in my response. I hated myself afterwards for having lowered myself to his position. It's ugly and dirty at that level. Then he went after some of my friends, and being the rabid mother hen that I am, I was enraged. I asked the powers to do something and was met with silence. I pulled the bulk of my work from the site, but all that did was to remove my stories.

After I calmed down, I realized that I was responsible for the whole exchange--not because of what I'd said, but because I had allowed the filth of one person to infect me. He was never worth a second thought from me, nor any consideration for his opinions. In retrospect, I'm glad the powers didn't do anything. He has a right to spew his ignorance, just as I have a right to laugh at him for being ignorant. And to feel sorry for him because the only way he can make his miserable self feel any better is to try to hurt others. Sad, no?

I guess what I'm saying is that I would like to think I'm an enlightened person and that I can take such banter with a grain of salt. This place is fabulous, just the way it is. The only way trolls, asshats, buttwipes, jerkoffs and dirtbags can hurt us is if we give them that power. I don't need a moderator to protect me because I don't have to respond to--or even read--anything that can be offensive to me. I don't take it so seriously anymore. There's too much in life to enjoy for anything said here to have a lasting impression.

I think at one time or another we have all got sucked into something like that. We see a p[ost and try to defend ourselves or give or view of things and the next thing you know they are posting crap about you. You are right there are two things we can do either go dwon to their level, Or act like the adult and walk away.

There are just somethings in life you just have to let go of. One not everyone is going to like you. Two you are not going to like everyone. Life is to short to fight over this stupid shit anyway.

 

[Stella_Omega]

No matter how many times you say it's not true, it still is.

When you yourself stop displaying behavior you say you object to--and admonish your cyber friends when they do it--as you ask everyone to do for you, that's the day you'll have some credibility on voicing your concerns, as far as I'm concerned.

You're just gonna piss until your shoes are sloshing, aren't you?

 

[Boxlicker101]

You're just gonna piss until your shoes are sloshing, aren't you?

I think that when we reach the point where the primary debaters are saying "Is too!" "Is not!" etc., we have reached the end of any meaningful debate on the subject.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think that when we reach the point where the primary debaters are saying "Is too!" "Is not!" etc., we have reached the end of any meaningful debate on the subject.

I don't think that srplt was ever a primary debater, or ever had anything meaningful to contribute.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

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[sr71plt]

I think that when we reach the point where the primary debaters are saying "Is too!" "Is not!" etc., we have reached the end of any meaningful debate on the subject.

Certainly when one party (re)starts the nasty playground yammering. What could be next? A picture of a troll perhaps--or something equally adult? Certainly not an actual response to the substitutive points brought up--for starters, how could a poster be bothering her who she has on ignore but, as has been pointed out, she constantly refers to in her posts.

 

[CharleyH]

What we have are distinct clicques who want AH to be how they want it:

You are so wrong (well, not on the drama part), but about how everything is a clique. To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH (you, for example). I doubt a moderated AH would boot you from posting what you want, JBJ, but still you are afraid that a moderated AH would kick your ass outta here and that is the only reason you disagree with a moderated board. Give me some reasons why the AH should NOT be moderated.

 

[sr71plt]

To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH .

Wow, what myopia. Take a look at the names of all those posters on two strings here who have said no and then have the nerve to repeat that.

Seems closer to the mark to me that those wanting a moderator are afraid of taking adult responsibiity for themselves.

 

[redpaint]

How Much longer is this dead horse going to be beat?http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

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[Boxlicker101]

You are so wrong (well, not on the drama part), but about how everything is a clique. To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH (you, for example). I doubt a moderated AH would boot you from posting what you want, JBJ, but still you are afraid that a moderated AH would kick your ass outta here and that is the only reason you disagree with a moderated board. Give me some reasons why the AH should NOT be moderated.

Oh, c'mon Charlie. I doubt if anybody is afraid of being booted from AH or Lit. Speaking for myself, my posts are some of the most temperate there are, and I still oppose moderation. My objection is that it might become censorship, and that is something I hate but do not fear.

There have been times when I have taken unpopular stands or espoused unpopular causes, but I have always supported my opinions with evidence and logic, unless I was posting in jest.

 

[_Lynn_]

You are so wrong (well, not on the drama part), but about how everything is a clique. To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH (you, for example). I doubt a moderated AH would boot you from posting what you want, JBJ, but still you are afraid that a moderated AH would kick your ass outta here and that is the only reason you disagree with a moderated board. Give me some reasons why the AH should NOT be moderated.

So I should be afraid of being booted from the AH?

Wow, what myopia. Take a look at the names of all those posters on two strings here who have said no and then have the nerve to repeat that.

Seems closer to the mark to me that those wanting a moderator are afraid of taking adult responsibiity for themselves.

I agree.

 

[Recidiva]

You are so wrong (well, not on the drama part), but about how everything is a clique. To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH (you, for example). I doubt a moderated AH would boot you from posting what you want, JBJ, but still you are afraid that a moderated AH would kick your ass outta here and that is the only reason you disagree with a moderated board. Give me some reasons why the AH should NOT be moderated.

I don't want the board moderated. I don't think that it's necessarily fear that motivates people to oppose censorship. Sometimes it's ethics and idealism. I stick to the rules of the site, and while at Lit I've become even firmer on my stance of free speech has a price to pay, but I'm willing to pay it because of what I get in return.

I don't think it's possible to keep the character of a place that has new people coming in all the time the same. That's stagnation.

I can't say I approve or disapprove of any change of tone or cast of characters. I do know that if there weren't change over time, new things to hear and new people to meet (and possibly ignore...) I would be less interested.

 

[freshface]

You are so wrong (well, not on the drama part), but about how everything is a clique. To me, those afraid of moderation are those afraid of being booted from the AH (you, for example). I doubt a moderated AH would boot you from posting what you want, JBJ, but still you are afraid that a moderated AH would kick your ass outta here and that is the only reason you disagree with a moderated board. Give me some reasons why the AH should NOT be moderated.

I'm with the group against moderation. I have no fear about being kicked out of the AH for my posting style. Is it so hard to believe that I don't want someone else deciding what I should or shouldn't see? I'm perfectly capable of deciding for myself and Lit already gives me the tools I need to ignore what I don't want to see. Why should I trust someone else to do this for me?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

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[feeeriek]

I'm with the group against moderation. I have no fear about being kicked out of the AH for my posting style. Is it so hard to believe that I don't want someone else deciding what I should or shouldn't see? I'm perfectly capable of deciding for myself and Lit already gives me the tools I need to ignore what I don't want to see. Why should I trust someone else to do this for me?

the tools it gives us to ignore what we don't want to see are limited

 

[Recidiva]

the tools it gives us to ignore what we don't want to see are limited

But the site has a disclaimer and you need to acknowledge before you join that you accept that there may be offensive content. If that's a problem, why not go to another site that assures there isn't offensive content?

That may be a problem now. But why wasn't it a problem when you acknowledged that and said "Okay, proceed to site."

 

[_Lynn_]

I guess what I'm saying is that I would like to think I'm an enlightened person and that I can take such banter with a grain of salt. This place is fabulous, just the way it is. The only way trolls, asshats, buttwipes, jerkoffs and dirtbags can hurt us is if we give them that power. I don't need a moderator to protect me because I don't have to respond to--or even read--anything that can be offensive to me. I don't take it so seriously anymore. There's too much in life to enjoy for anything said here to have a lasting impression.

This is just how I feel.

the tools it gives us to ignore what we don't want to see are limited

We are our own tool.

 

[feeeriek]

But the site has a disclaimer and you need to acknowledge before you join that you accept that there may be offensive content. If that's a problem, why not go to another site that assures there isn't offensive content?

That may be a problem now. But why wasn't it a problem when you acknowledged that and said "Okay, proceed to site."

where did i say i had a problem with the content?

We are our own tool.

then why give us the ignore tool if we can not use it as we see fit?

 

[Recidiva]

where did i say i had a problem with the content?

You didn't. But you spoke about "what we don't want to see" and the tools being inadquate. You were warned about this upon entry to the site, if so.

 

[_Lynn_]

where did i say i had a problem with the content?


then why give us the ignore tool if we can not use it as we see fit?

Use it if you wish. I didn't say not to.

 

[michchick98]

then why give us the ignore tool if we can not use it as we see fit?

No one said not to use it. All anyone is saying is we can choose however we want to ignore offensive posts, be it with the tools provided or on our own. Personally, I find simply ignoring the offensive posts (without use of ignoring the individual) works best for me.

Yes, we've all been sucked into the bullshit, but I think after the incident with Selena, many people have learned to ignore the assholes without any help from anyone else.

Besides, it doesn't always work to have someone on your ignore list when others quote the person in their replies.

 

[Recidiva]

No one said not to use it. All anyone is saying is we can choose however we want to ignore offensive posts, be it with the tools provided or on our own. Personally, I find simply ignoring the offensive posts (without use of ignoring the individual) works best for me.

Yes, we've all been sucked into the bullshit, but I think after the incident with Selena, many people have learned to ignore the assholes without any help from anyone else.

Besides, it doesn't always work to have someone on your ignore list when others quote the person in their replies.

It would be nice to have a tool that results in not seeing anything submitted by a user. Quoted, searched or otherwise.