Conservatives Outnumber The Rest

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

TWICE AS MANY CONSERVATIVES AS LIBERALS.

Prolly because the libs flush their kids down the drain and fuck their buddies in the butt too much.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

It should come as no surprise to you that a big percentage of people who stay at home during working hours and still use a land line are conservatives.

 

[amicus]

Survey & rhetoric of article would have been more informational had they defined, all three categories. Most polls always show that America is center-right in politics, but they seldom define the terms.

With the continuing failure of the social democratic policies on the front burner, one might expect the results to swing much more to the right.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I suspect Obama knows he cant get too crazy in 2010, he'll kill the Democrats if he does, just like Bill & Hillary did in 1994.

So 2009 is when he has to make things happen. And if the economy is worse in 2010, America wont listen to how its Bush's fault.

 

[Handley_Page]

So 2009 is when he has to make things happen. And if the economy is worse in 2010, America wont listen to how its Bush's fault.

Surely it will take longer than that ?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HP

Nope. Americans have short memories. The economy will be Obama's problem by the fall.

 

[Pure]

jbj, i think it's plain from the polls that conservatives can't win overall without attracting moderates. they are about 35-40 percent only.

same for republicans. fully 25% of conservatives are not Republican. they must reach these and other independents.

obama for now has a formula that reaches independents and moderates. republicans, nationally do not have such an animal or formula, though some rep'n governors may have (Romney?)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

Conservatives need 11% of the moderate total, liberals need 31%.

 

[TE999]

Moderates are people who waffle about every decision whether it's whom to vote for or what color to paint the guest bedroom. They worry about what others may say or think of them and always check to see which way the wind is blowing. They are easy meat for any savvy pol who wants them on their side.

There are only two things in the middle of the road: white lines and dead possums.

 

[DesertPirate]

jbj, i think it's plain from the polls that conservatives can't win overall without attracting moderates. they are about 35-40 percent only.

same for republicans. fully 25% of conservatives are not Republican. they must reach these and other independents.

obama for now has a formula that reaches independents and moderates. republicans, nationally do not have such an animal or formula, though some rep'n governors may have (Romney?)

If inflation goes over 5% in the next year Dems will become the problem. Just watch it will all happen because of the out of control spending going on right now. If inflation goes over 10% by the next election you will see a 100 seat shift in the house and 22 seats in the Senate.

 

[silverwhisper]

james quoth:
conservatives need 11% of the moderate total, liberals need 31%.

i'm just curious: so who elected the president?

james quoth:
prolly because the libs flush their kids down the drain and fuck their buddies in the butt too much.

ah, the dulcet sounds of intelligent political discourse...

ed

 

[amicus]

i'm just curious: so who elected the president?


ah, the dulcet sounds of intelligent political discourse...

ed

~~~

Ah, but you must admit a colorful and unique perspective of JBJ?

Amicus

 

[WRJames]

You would think that a Gallup poll would be fairly accurate -- unlike a poll for the " National Organization for Marriage" or something of the sort which keeps ringing us.

However -- it may be tilted towards an older population -- heads of household.

It's interesting that so many identified themselves as conservative and so few as Republicans.

As for moderate being wrong -- what a strange remark. Politics is exactly where the middle ground is most likely to prevail. Liberals and conservatives usually both have the wrong solutions, and then they waste their time bickering over which one is more stupid.

 

[amicus]

Not to argue with you as it would be pointless, but for others....there exists only good and evil, all else is compromise and good can only suffer from such an arrangement.

Someone recently said the 'middle of the road', the moderates, consists of a white line and road kill. I can agree with that.

Amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

HP

Nope. Americans have short memories. The economy will be Obama's problem by the fall.

Obama took responsibility from day one.....Bush and Cheney are still trying to deny any involvement.....he's a man, they're privileged toads.....drink their Kool-Aid if you choose....remember where it came from, they sure will........

 

[WRJames]

Not to argue with you as it would be pointless, but for others....there exists only good and evil, all else is compromise and good can only suffer from such an arrangement.

Someone recently said the 'middle of the road', the moderates, consists of a white line and road kill. I can agree with that.

Amicus

Well, you are wrong then. I assume you are making the statement about good and evil as a point of argument, not as something you truly believe.

 

[amicus]

Well, you are wrong then. I assume you are making the statement about good and evil as a point of argument, not as something you truly believe.

~~~

In your own words, if I am 'wrong', then surely there is a 'right'? A little plunge into definitions will equate right and wrong, with good and bad/evil, thus neither are a point of, 'belief', as you imply, rather one of knowledge.

I am an atheist; I have no, 'beliefs', none, of any kind, just to clarify.

Amicus

 

[silverwhisper]

amicus quoth:
ah, but you must admit a colorful and unique perspective of JBJ?

well, there is that... :>

ed

 

[JamesSD]

One thing conservatives have done an excellent job of in recent years is demonizing the term "liberal". What's interesting is how many people who believe in liberal core values (Equality, progressive taxes, etc) don't call themselves liberals. Part of this is a tendency for people to think of their own views as "The Middle", or at most "slightly left/right of center".

While people don't describe themselves as liberals, they still seem eager to register as Democrats and vote for liberal candidates.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1207/re...-slips-nationwide-pennsylvania-specter-switch
36% Independant, 35% Democrat, and 23% Republican nationally.

Pretty amazing how many conservatives don't want to call themselves Republicans, but how many moderates will vote Democrat. Small tent vs. Big Tent, anyone?

 

[amicus]

As of. JamesSD, this hasn't been wrestled with a thousand times on this forum. Classical Liberals disowned modern 'progressive' liberals because, once upon a time, being a Liberal, was a proud thing, that of supporting individual freedom, the free market place.

Libertarians tried to fill the void back in the 60's with Goldwater and the 'Young Republicans, but Libertarians welcomed the ladies and soon corrupted their principles for a lil pussy, doesn't make em all bad, we all have our weak moments.

Republicans mainly took a 'moderate' course, with the Rockefeller and Romney Republicans, Reagan was an exception for several reasons, none of great importance and Republicans since Reagan have been without a foundation and drifted to fill the void left by the Democrats who drifted left into social democracy and worse.

As I watch and listen to the post election McCain antics, I conclude it is just as well he failed, as his course was also without a rudder. The new left, now in the White House, can be, I think, seen as a good thing, as the true nature of the socialist left are becoming apparent and the great silent majority is stirring and will rise and smite down the barbarians yet again.

There be a little muse for ya...

amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

As of. JamesSD, this hasn't been wrestled with a thousand times on this forum. Classical Liberals disowned modern 'progressive' liberals because, once upon a time, being a Liberal, was a proud thing, that of supporting individual freedom, the free market place.

Libertarians tried to fill the void back in the 60's with Goldwater and the 'Young Republicans, but Libertarians welcomed the ladies and soon corrupted their principles for a lil pussy, doesn't make em all bad, we all have our weak moments.

Republicans mainly took a 'moderate' course, with the Rockefeller and Romney Republicans, Reagan was an exception for several reasons, none of great importance and Republicans since Reagan have been without a foundation and drifted to fill the void left by the Democrats who drifted left into social democracy and worse.

As I watch and listen to the post election McCain antics, I conclude it is just as well he failed, as his course was also without a rudder. The new left, now in the White House, can be, I think, seen as a good thing, as the true nature of the socialist left are becoming apparent and the great silent majority is stirring and will rise and smite down the barbarians yet again.

There be a little muse for ya...

amicus

Very little muse, but a whole lotta ruse.......good job of revisionist BS.....Mon Ami......Be careful who ya smite......the smote tend to smite back......

 

[WRJames]

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~~~

In your own words, if I am 'wrong', then surely there is a 'right'? A little plunge into definitions will equate right and wrong, with good and bad/evil, thus neither are a point of, 'belief', as you imply, rather one of knowledge.

I am an atheist; I have no, 'beliefs', none, of any kind, just to clarify.

Amicus

We can take the world and reduce it to a black and white photograph. No color, no depth, no movement -- no hint of what lies beyond that limited field of vision. And of course, no sound, no touch, no taste, no smell.

That would be the starting place for our discussion of good and evil.

 

[ericahope]

Moderates are people who waffle about every decision whether it's whom to vote for or what color to paint the guest bedroom. They worry about what others may say or think of them and always check to see which way the wind is blowing. They are easy meat for any savvy pol who wants them on their side.

There are only two things in the middle of the road: white lines and dead possums.

I realize your definition of moderate is sort of tongue-in-cheek, but couldn't a moderate also be someone who has conservative views on some issues and liberal views on others? Or is there another term for someone like that?

I'll offer me as an example, I'm pretty conservative in temperament and side with Conservatives on some political issues, but if I let my political views on some other issues be known at a Republican Party forum I'd probably never be able to win their nomination for the President. Oh well, what's a girl to do... Do I just throw myself in the "moderate" category or not answer the polling question? Hmmm...

Erica

 

[Dragonlipz]

Ah, what a sad, tired, web y'all weave.....

 

[JamesSD]

I realize your definition of moderate is sort of tongue-in-cheek, but couldn't a moderate also be someone who has conservative views on some issues and liberal views on others? Or is there another term for someone like that?

I'll offer me as an example, I'm pretty conservative in temperament and side with Conservatives on some political issues, but if I let my political views on some other issues be known at a Republican Party forum I'd probably never be able to win their nomination for the President. Oh well, what's a girl to do... Do I just throw myself in the "moderate" category or not answer the polling question? Hmmm...

Erica

I hope you post more of your views around here. We need a few more moderate voices.