Where are all the women?

[Keroin]

OK, I’ll point the finger at myself this time.

Despite my family’s best efforts, I am not a “real” woman. I can cook but only the most basic of food and I prefer not to if at all possible.

I’ve never wanted kids, when I see a baby I have zero desire to hold it or coo over it, quite the opposite.

I make my own money and even in long-term relationships I maintain my own bank account and credit cards.

I’m competitive. I’ll never let my partner win at anything just to stroke his ego.

I cry about once a year.

I burp and fart and tell dirty jokes and, in RL, have a bad case of Trucker Mouth.

I could go on for pages about all the ways that I am do not align with what I think most people would see as “feminine’ or “womanly”. (Yes, I see the irony in my other thread).

About all I can say about myself is that I’m a good nurse, I’m clean to the point of obsessive, and I love to give my partner massages. Yeesh. I had to struggle just to come up with those three. Oh, I’m also good at writing “Thank you” notes.

Pathetic.

Am I an anomaly or is this the way my gender is headed? Are "real women" a dying breed?

 

[ZRT]

Do you flee insects and vermin?

Because that was the all-important benchmark from the other thread.

 

[Keroin]

Do you flee insects and vermin?

Because that was the all-important benchmark from the other thread.

Nope. Unless they're poisonous or sting, and then I just keep my distance.

I don't like killing things but I'll squash a roach and ants, well, ants just gotta die. Sorry. Spiders get relocated, peacefully.

Critters fascinate me.

 

[Harmony_1985]

OK, I’ll point the finger at myself this time.

Despite my family’s best efforts, I am not a “real” woman. I can cook but only the most basic of food and I prefer not to if at all possible.

I make my own money and even in long-term relationships I maintain my own bank account and credit cards.

I’m competitive. I’ll never let my partner win at anything just to stroke his ego.

I burp and fart and tell dirty jokes and, in RL, have a bad case of Trucker Mouth.

I could go on for pages about all the ways that I am do not align with what I think most people would see as “feminine’ or “womanly”. (Yes, I see the irony in my other thread).

About all I can say about myself is that I’m a good nurse, I’m clean to the point of obsessive, and I love to give my partner massages. Yeesh. I had to struggle just to come up with those three. Oh, I’m also good at writing “Thank you” notes.

Pathetic.

Am I an anomaly or is this the way my gender is headed? Are "real women" a dying breed?

You're not abnormal, I took out the 2 things that aren't the same as me, but I'm the rest of above.

And on the note of fleeing vermin and insects, unless its a wasp, I ain't running, I'm squashing.

 

[ZRT]

Nope. Unless they're poisonous or sting, and then I just keep my distance.

I don't like killing things but I'll squash a roach and ants, well, ants just gotta die. Sorry. Spiders get relocated, peacefully.

Critters fascinate me.

Totally hopeless then. But whatever floats Chuck's boat, I suppose.

Anywho, I've talked to various women about this before, and the conclusion that's come out is that there currently isn't a definition for womanhood anymore.

'Be a man' generally instills a visceral response in the typical male. It's a challenge and an insult all in one. It means different things to different people, as the other thread shows, but it has a meaning and an impact for the majority of American males.

'Be a woman'? What's the mean? Possess a vagina? It's a wide-open thing these days, because women's lib has thrown the doors open.

There are other benchmarks- the now somewhat antiquated use of the word 'lady', comments about the femininity of certain behaviors and so on, but they're so subjective as to have no overall societal meaning. Femininity anymore seems to be defined as a fashion thing more than anything else, for example.

 

[Harmony_1985]

There are other benchmarks- the now somewhat antiquated use of the word 'lady', comments about the femininity of certain behaviors and so on, but they're so subjective as to have no overall societal meaning. Femininity anymore seems to be defined as a fashion thing more than anything else, for example.

This is it.

I am all woman, but I do not consider myself a lady.

 

[ZRT]

This is it.

I am all woman, but I do not consider myself a lady.

Your definition of 'woman' being K's criteria, or something else?

And your definition of 'lady' being?

 

[Harmony_1985]

Your definition of 'woman' being K's criteria, or something else?

And your definition of 'lady' being?

A lady doesn't burp or fart in public.

A lady doesn't swear or curse.

A lady doesn't discuss sex in public.

A lady doesn't sit so the world could see everything if she had a skirt on.

etc etc etc.

 

[BiBunny]

Not me. I'm a hypocrite and a man trapped in a woman's body. I accept it and realize that sex is much better this way than if it were the other way around.

 

[graceanne]

I'm in between, 'woman' criteria. I cook decently (I won't ever be an awesome cook, cause I hate cooking), I clean really well, I love dresses and skirts, I'm not at all competitive, and I love taking care of my house, husband and kids.

On the flip side, I'm not afraid of bugs/worms/creepy crawlies, I rarely cry (and when I do normally booze is involved), I cuss like a drunken sailor, and if I can't do it I'll find someone else who can. With a minimum of fuss.

 

[graceanne]

A lady doesn't burp or fart in public.

A lady doesn't swear or curse.

A lady doesn't discuss sex in public.

A lady doesn't sit so the world could see everything if she had a skirt on.

etc etc etc.

Uh oh. I guess I'm not a lady.

I burp and fart in public, I discuss sex in public, and I cuss like a drunken sailor.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

.... Possess a vagina? It's a wide-open thing ....

Sorry... for some reason, this just struck me as hilariously funny. I hope you intended for there to be some dry humor in phrasing your inquiry and statement thusly.

 

[Keroin]

Totally hopeless then. But whatever floats Chuck's boat, I suppose.

Well, he's a bit of an odd duck, that Chuck.

Anywho, I've talked to various women about this before, and the conclusion that's come out is that there currently isn't a definition for womanhood anymore.

'Be a man' generally instills a visceral response in the typical male. It's a challenge and an insult all in one. It means different things to different people, as the other thread shows, but it has a meaning and an impact for the majority of American males.

'Be a woman'? What's the mean? Possess a vagina? It's a wide-open thing these days, because women's lib has thrown the doors open.

There are other benchmarks- the now somewhat antiquated use of the word 'lady', comments about the femininity of certain behaviors and so on, but they're so subjective as to have no overall societal meaning. Femininity anymore seems to be defined as a fashion thing more than anything else, for example.

This is interesting. Do we need a men's liberation? I mean, it seems to have worked for us gals. Do you think there are many men out there who would love to see an end to all the male stereotypes?

When it comes to fashion...I flunk there too. I mean, I can clean up and do the girl thing if I have to but, ugh, what kind of freaking sadist invented high heel shoes??!

 

[midwestyankee]

A lady doesn't burp or fart in public.

A lady doesn't swear or curse.

A lady doesn't discuss sex in public.

A lady doesn't sit so the world could see everything if she had a skirt on.

etc etc etc.

So I'm a lady?

 

[Keroin]

Sorry... for some reason, this just struck me as hilariously funny. I hope you intended for there to be some dry humor in phrasing your inquiry and statement thusly.

Me too. I was just trying to be...*ahem*...serious for a change.

Very Freudian, if you ask me.

 

[ZRT]

This is interesting. Do we need a men's liberation? I mean, it seems to have worked for us gals. Do you think there are many men out there who would love to see an end to all the male stereotypes?

Don't think so.

Thinking on it a bit further, the core message of 'be a man' is 'be strong and do what you have to do', really.

That's not something we want to discourage in anybody.

what kind of freaking sadist invented high heel shoes??!

A genius who casts a shadow upon all lesser beings who dare call themselves 'sadist'?

 

[CutieMouse]

Biologically?

Woman

Definitively?

Lady

 

[Nymphomaniacal]

Its okay youre not alone.

I have a foul mouth and when im pissed I curse and use words a sailor would blush at.
I play video games, I tell dirty jokes, I belch and have contests with my guy friends, that I usually win.

I can be girly, I am every once in awhile, like I run from bees, but I dont know if im allergic to them.

But no, you arent the only woman like this, alot of us are.

 

[Harmony_1985]

This is interesting. Do we need a men's liberation? I mean, it seems to have worked for us gals. Do you think there are many men out there who would love to see an end to all the male stereotypes?

When it comes to fashion...I flunk there too. I mean, I can clean up and do the girl thing if I have to but, ugh, what kind of freaking sadist invented high heel shoes??!

Hey now, I do love my heels.

PURPLE SEQUIEN HEELS <3

 

[ZRT]

Sorry... for some reason, this just struck me as hilariously funny. I hope you intended for there to be some dry humor in phrasing your inquiry and statement thusly.

Me too. I was just trying to be...*ahem*...serious for a change.

Very Freudian, if you ask me.

Ahem.

The mark of a true professional is to always claim that you meant to do that.

Oh Jesus, that was my best line today and I didn't even see until Winston pointed it out.

 

[Shankara20]

Are "real women" a dying breed?

ohboy ohboy ohboy

I'll be back!

 

[Homburg]

This is interesting. Do we need a men's liberation? I mean, it seems to have worked for us gals. Do you think there are many men out there who would love to see an end to all the male stereotypes?

I've heard it said before that men need a Feminist Movement. I'm not really sure if I believe it though. I don't mind the burden of stereotypes. Carrying such things is part of being a man. Stiff upper lip, and all that...

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So I'm a lady?

...

How you doin?

 

[Homburg]

And cussing "like a sailor" is overrated. Sailors just curse often. There's nothing particularly creative about it.

 

[nh23]

A lady doesn't burp or fart in public.

A lady doesn't swear or curse.

A lady doesn't discuss sex in public.

A lady doesn't sit so the world could see everything if she had a skirt on.

etc etc etc.

In my little bubble..women do the majority of the housework. Women do the majority of the cooking. We should be strong and capable though. I don't go as far as the weak defenseless thing. Like I said in the other thread this is just how I was raised, my opinion of how I should be.

I do curse, I also will discuss sex in public, but burping and farting in public.
I was raised not to do things like that, and honestly I find it disgusting. I used to work in a facility with a bunch of other women. They were always burping and farting and laughing about it. In front of the men, in front of anyone, they didn't care. Honestly it made me sick to my stomach.

I rarely wear skirts..

 

[Harmony_1985]

And yes, considering how many women are opting to have silicone shoved in where-ever a surgeon can fit it, I'd say "real" women are dying out