Circumcision

[radepor]

Is circumcision torture? A lifestyle/culture? A medically preventative precaution? Sexually, sensuously superior?

By the way, I'm neither circumcised nor a member of a group that practices circumcision. To my astonishment, I recently discovered I'm part of the 25% minority of adult, U.S. males who ARE NOT.

Despite my best efforts, I simply cannot remain objective about this subject; I'm appalled by the concept. However, I'm admittedly ignorant about the subject.

What is it: Culturally acceptable sadism? A test of faith? Necessary for a healthy life?

Human's evolved along with every other life-form on this planet; are there any other examples where a species ritually mutilates sexual organs of their young?

 

[Cattypuss]

I've always assumed it started as a sensible health/hygiene precaution in hot countries (ditto certain foods being seen as unclean).

Most of the men I've "known" have been circumcised, never heard any of them complain!

 

[Cattypuss]

Human's evolved along with every other life-form on this planet; are there any other examples where a species ritually mutilates sexual organs of their young?

Don't think so, but then I can't think of another species that cultivates crops, or wears clothes..... or uses knives.

We are so different from other species of animals on so very many levels that it seems odd to single out circumcision as something that separates us.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

My son

isn't. The doctors at the time could tell me no medical reason as to why he would have to be other than "for cleanliness' sake".

My son (who is of age) hasn't had a single complaint from his g/f so I am assuming he is clean and well cared for (since I taught him the proper way to clean beneath the foreskin and under the glans before he was 3 y/o.)

I don't understand the need for circumcision.

 

[radepor]

We're different?

I see. We're different; so we reinforce our difference by altering the bodies of our young.

Don't think so, but then I can't think of another species that cultivates crops, or wears clothes..... or uses knives.

We are so different from other species of animals on so very many levels that it seems odd to single out circumcision as something that separates us.

 

[Cattypuss]

I see. We're different; so we reinforce our difference by altering the bodies of our young.

Not my point at all.

My point is that we are different from other animals in very many ways. Circumcision is just one of those very many ways.

Asking if other animals sexually mutilate their young is to me a strange question. As strange as asking if other animals cultivate crops, or if they play Scrabble. No, they don't, but from that fact it doesn't follow that we are wrong to cultivate crops or play Scrabble.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm against cutting a child's genitals too. I think it's barbaric unless it's a religious or medical need. It's only a medical need in very rare cases. My son is in the 25% He's had no problems. People are ridiculously prejudiced about this.

When I hear people say, "We wanted him to look like Daddy." That makes me want to scream. It kind of reminds me of fraternities or sororities which practice dangerous rush rituals because it was done to them. Yeah, that's a great legacy. Such legacies are in just about every way of life though.

"We did it when we were kids and we turned out fine." Or "That's just the way we've always done it." are two things that make me want to strangle people.

(And not in a good way.)

 

[wicked woman]

I'm against cutting a child's genitals too. I think it's barbaric unless it's a religious or medical need. It's only a medical need in very rare cases. My son is in the 25% He's had no problems. People are ridiculously prejudiced about this.

When I hear people say, "We wanted him to look like Daddy." That makes me want to scream.

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(And not in a good way.)

Ditto except I've got two sons who are natural.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=652643

 

[Thumpingrug]

I was done as a child and have no memory of the opp.

My wife says i am the first bloke she has slept with who has been circumcised and she much prefers it. Tells me its cleaner and feels better.

Who am i to argue.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Cleanliness is more about the person than about whether they are circumsized or not. I have been with both and some are better at hygiene than others, both cut and uncut. From my own observations and also reading etc., it seems there is a difference in sensation...the uncircumsized male experiencing a lot more sensation, as do those who choose to have it surgically reversed, or use other methods to try and recreate what nature had provided.

Catalina

 

[culloden]

I'm circumcised, and it's never been any kind of an issue. We thought about it long and hard with our sons, and discussed it with our family doctor. In the end, we had them circumcised simply because most American males are, and it seemed that there would be less chance of them being teased in the middle school locker room. The doc said that it's common to do the deed without anesthesia, but we opted to spend a few bucks on Novocain.

There is also research to the effect that circumcised men are substantially less likely to contract HIV. Whether this is simply a correlation or if it's causal I don't know. And we didn't know this at the time our sons were circumcised.

 

[myinnerslut]

<--- jewish

its just part of life for anyone who is jewish. we even have a little ceremony for it

i kinda just assumed most people were, and didnt see one uncircumcised until i was changing a diaper a few years ago. the vast majority of people where i am just are.

 

[Scotsman69]

Much better uncircumcised. Much more sensation.

 

[Etoile]

Not my point at all.

My point is that we are different from other animals in very many ways. Circumcision is just one of those very many ways.

Asking if other animals sexually mutilate their young is to me a strange question. As strange as asking if other animals cultivate crops, or if they play Scrabble. No, they don't, but from that fact it doesn't follow that we are wrong to cultivate crops or play Scrabble.

100% agreement. Non-human animals also do not have religion, different languages within the same species, or control of electricity. Non-human animals do not knit, read books, or put pictures of each other on the walls of their dwellings. So...

I see. We're different; so we reinforce our difference by altering the bodies of our young.

...this is just absurd.

I get that you're angry, radepor. I'm not sure why, given that you're not cut, but I do see you're angry. Have you looked into the many, many anti-circumcision websites out there? For that matter, have you looked into the pro-circumcision websites? Or the sites that respond to anti-circumcision ideas?

I don't mean to throw so many links at you, but you did say that you're ignorant about the subject, so I figured you might want to educate yourself so your anger can be well-thought-out and communicated more readily.

 

[TheleHun]

I'm a circumcised male and have never had a problem with my state. If I ever have a male child I would push to have him cut as well. It makes hygiene easier and it reduces susceptibility to STDs.

 

[YourCaptor]

Ok I'm natural, and have never had even the slightest problem with cleanliness. I know for some men the foreskin may be tighter or looser, but honestly, I think the cleanliness argument is all lies.

 

[infinity706]

I actually prefer uncut cocks.

Of course, from what I could find, it really gained popularity around the time of the World Wars. If you were in a military unit that was constantly on the move without much opportunity to shower, circumcision could become a major cleanliness issue.

Now, as for the HIV thing, it would really apply to most germs in general. The area under the foreskin is a warm, moist environment, so it does somewhat promote germs like any other. I'd assume that's also the reason why women tend to get STDs easier than males.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Ok I'm natural, and have never had even the slightest problem with cleanliness. I know for some men the foreskin may be tighter or looser, but honestly, I think the cleanliness argument is all lies.

it really does depend on the foreskin. for some the foreskin is either extremely tight or there may just be way too much of it, and if either of those is the case then cleanliness will be an issue. an ex-partner of mine was uncut and in his case the skin was very tight, so tight that pulling the skin back to expose the head of his penis was physically painful for him. the skin also would not pull back when he had an erection, as is normally the case with uncircumcised cocks. so he easily developed "cottage cheese" build-up underneath the foreskin. not to mention that he did not have much sensation sexually, due to the head always being covered. both issues bothered him so much that he finally bit the bullet and ended up getting circumcised at age 37. after that, he had no more issues.

i've known of a couple of other uncircumcised men who had problems due to either cleanliness or sexual function, and both also ended up getting circumcised as adults. i can only imagine how traumatic something like that must be. so i'm divided on the circumcision issue. most don't have any problems remaining all-natural, but some do, and for those who do i think the issue would have been better addressed when they were infants.

 

[Etoile]

it really does depend on the foreskin. for some the foreskin is either extremely tight or there may just be way too much of it, and if either of those is the case then cleanliness will be an issue. an ex-partner of mine was uncut and in his case the skin was very tight, so tight that pulling the skin back to expose the head of his penis was physically painful for him. the skin also would not pull back when he had an erection, as is normally the case with uncircumcised cocks. so he easily developed "cottage cheese" build-up underneath the foreskin. not to mention that he did not have much sensation sexually, due to the head always being covered. both issues bothered him so much that he finally bit the bullet and ended up getting circumcised at age 37. after that, he had no more issues.

i've known of a couple of other circumcised men who had problems due to either cleanliness or sexual function, and both also ended up getting circumcised as adults. i can only imagine how traumatic something like that must be. so i'm divided on the circumcision issue. most don't have any problems remaining all-natural, but some do, and for those who do i think the issue would have been better addressed when they were infants.

Yup, that's called phimosis - apparently not a very nice thing to have at all.

I agree with you on the adult circumcision being traumatic. Infants can feel pain, but they cannot process it. This means that any guy who tells you he remembers being circumcised at birth is lying - the infant brain is not sufficiently developed for that. In fact, pretty much anybody who tells you they remember anything of their own birth is either lying, imagining it, or on some fun drugs.

Interestingly, many Muslim cultures practice circumcision on pre-pubescent boys rather than doing it at infancy. I remember hearing about this when I was in Turkey some years back; apparently it is usually done around age 10-12. You can read more on this here:
http://www.circlist.com/rites/moslem.html

 

[Euridice]

How would you know?

Much better uncircumcised. Much more sensation.

Seems like another all-round unadulterated rumour to me!

 

[ownedsubgal]

Yup, that's called phimosis - apparently not a very nice thing to have at all.

I agree with you on the adult circumcision being traumatic. Infants can feel pain, but they cannot process it. This means that any guy who tells you he remembers being circumcised at birth is lying - the infant brain is not sufficiently developed for that. In fact, pretty much anybody who tells you they remember anything of their own birth is either lying, imagining it, or on some fun drugs.

Interestingly, many Muslim cultures practice circumcision on pre-pubescent boys rather than doing it at infancy. I remember hearing about this when I was in Turkey some years back; apparently it is usually done around age 10-12. You can read more on this here:
http://www.circlist.com/rites/moslem.html

phimosis, so that's what it was! very interesting, at least now i know he wasn't the only one.

circumcision during early childhood might just be ideal, especially if the young boy could have a bit of a voice in the matter. that way there's no completely unnecessary surgery on a baby, but you don't have grown men dealing with a lifetime of potential health and sexual issues.

 

[MichaelWest]

Well I can offer that I am in the majority as regards American males and circumsized. I can report that I have an extremely sensitive head on my penis so although I can only speak for myself and through my own experience, it appears that circumcision affects each man differently, some who are appear to complain of lost sensitivity others not.

I cannot speak about uncircumsized penis (being a hetrosexual) other than though the commenbts made by friends who are (1) homosexual male or (2) hetrosexual female (some of whom have also been lovers of mine), and I recall most all seeming to prefer circumsized. Again that is nothing more than my observations.

I would therefore have to say each parent must simply try to make an informed choice. We choose a lot of things for children as they are reared, some choices are found great in hindsight, some not. I don't know if I would prefer to be "uncut", the choice was made for me and it is part of who I am. I have no complaints, but I have never known the world through an uncut penis, so to me the whole question becomes quite academic.

 

[Adakgirl]

where a species ritually mutilates sexual organs of their young?

Circumcision is not a ritual it is a medical procedure. Those words have very different meanings so don't confuse them like that.

Mutilates you say? The definition of mutilation does not fit with the act of circumcision at all. It does not deprive the male of an essential part, does not disfigure or damage and does not make a penis imperfect. By throwing those kinds of words out, you sound ignorant and you invalidate your point.

1. To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple.
2. To disfigure by damaging irreparably
3. To make imperfect by excising or altering parts

Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of any conspicuous or essential part of the body.

 

[Myskaninen]

well out of the rest of the world its not normal to circumsise ...

and in the us the tradition originates from england as a cure against mastrubation... which I belive didn't work... not for any cleanliness reasons or healthreasons...

still I think its very strange costum to have in a "western civilisation" for non religous resons but then I live in a country that still have fertilityfestivals at midsummers