Is "Gay" A Choice?

[Safe_Bet]

Well, "Christian", mebe this cartoon will help convince you that it's not...

Is The Gay A Choice?

BTW, I love the last lines of the clip where they smack Bob Jones University!

P.S. I think Martha is HOT!!!

 

[JamesSD]

Good stuff. Saw it somewhere before, can't remember where. Was it part of a documentary?

 

[john-the-author]

Good shit! I'm going to post it on my blog. The dickheads I used to work with in Indiana need to have this played for them 24x7.

 

[Saucy_Sage]

P.S. I think Martha is HOT!!!

But that's a choice, right? Cause, like, Martha doesn't do anything for me...

 

[Belegon]

I hadn't seen this before. I chose to love it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Is obesity a choice?

 

[Samuel667]

I'm not gay, but based on what gays tell me, it's not a choice - it's something that's part of who they are that they can't deny. I'm willing to accept that. My question is why do some gay men choose to act all feminine (speech affectations, mannerisms, interests, make-up, women's clothes, etc) and some aren't any different than heterosexual men in their appearance, behavior and interests? Why do some gay men make this choice, or is this something inherent in being gay that they also can't deny and some other gay men are just covering it over and trying to act "normal" as much as possible?

 

[freshface]

I'm not gay, but based on what gays tell me, it's not a choice - it's something that's part of who they are that they can't deny. I'm willing to accept that. My question is why do some gay men choose to act all feminine (speech affectations, mannerisms, interests, make-up, women's clothes, etc) and some aren't any different than heterosexual men in their appearance, behavior and interests? Why do some gay men make this choice, or is this something inherent in being gay that they also can't deny and some other gay men are just covering it over and trying to act "normal" as much as possible?

Why are some women "girly-girls" and other women remain tomboys their whole lives? Is my indifference to make-up, trendy clothes, and high heals inherent in me or am I attempting to act as "abnormal" as possible? Why do some straight men really like wearing women's clothing even though they have no interest at all in sex with other men?

Why do people have to be shoved into categories that define what "normal" should be for them? Could it possibly be that we are all unique in our preferences and behaviors?

 

[TheCarver]

I think that there are a very small percentage of gays that are that way naturally. I think that there are some that are forced into it by childhood trauma. I think that the largest percentage are by choice though. But then again, my opinion is only that and is not based on any science whatsoever.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm a natural born serial-killer but I deny and resist my appetite.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think that there are a very small percentage of gays that are that way naturally. I think that there are some that are forced into it by childhood trauma. I think that the largest percentage are by choice though. But then again, my opinion is only that and is not based on any science whatsoever.

You can say that again.

And again, and again, and again.

Here. let's try it this way;

Do you think your heterosexuality is a choice? Suppose you decided that you HAD to become gay-- maybe so that you could avoid being fired from your job, or thrown out of the army, disowned by your family, insulted, jailed, or beaten up, or beaten to death. I know it's weird, but TRY to imagine it. Try real hard.


Do you think you could deny your sexual attraction to women?

Betcha can't do it. Your sexuality is not a choice.

 

[TheCarver]

You can say that again.

And again, and again, and again.

Here. let's try it this way;

Do you think your heterosexuality is a choice? Suppose you decided that you HAD to become gay-- maybe so that you could avoid being fired from your job, or thrown out of the army, disowned by your family, insulted, jailed, or beaten up, or beaten to death. I know it's weird, but TRY to imagine it. Try real hard.


Do you think you could deny your sexual attraction to women?

Betcha can't do it. Your sexuality is not a choice.

I think that everyone is born ambisexual (I'm going to patend that word soon). We are presented with social situations that condition us during our formulative years and it determines which way we swing. Boys are given very masculine toys to play with, rooms painted in blue, and told to mimic Daddy. Girls are given dolls, rooms painted pink, and told to do as Mommy does. The gays that are born that way are the ones that stray from this conditioning and no matter the effort to persuade them differently, grow up gay.

If these typical role-modeling influences were taken away, people would grow comfortably with whatever they chose.

 

[Saucy_Sage]

I think that everyone is born ambisexual (I'm going to patend that word soon). We are presented with social situations that condition us during our formulative years and it determines which way we swing. Boys are given very masculine toys to play with, rooms painted in blue, and told to mimic Daddy. Girls are given dolls, rooms painted pink, and told to do as Mommy does. The gays that are born that way are the ones that stray from this conditioning and no matter the effort to persuade them differently, grow up gay.

If these typical role-modeling influences were taken away, people would grow comfortably with whatever they chose.

And I think that the sun revolves around the earth. So-called "science" thinks otherwise.

Bah.

 

[Guest]

I think that there are a very small percentage of gays that are that way naturally. I think that there are some that are forced into it by childhood trauma. I think that the largest percentage are by choice though. But then again, my opinion is only that and is not based on any science whatsoever.

No science, just your personal opinion?

You won't find many people jumping on your bandwagon without any evidence.

 

[Guest]

I think that everyone is born ambisexual (I'm going to patend that word soon). We are presented with social situations that condition us during our formulative years and it determines which way we swing. Boys are given very masculine toys to play with, rooms painted in blue, and told to mimic Daddy. Girls are given dolls, rooms painted pink, and told to do as Mommy does. The gays that are born that way are the ones that stray from this conditioning and no matter the effort to persuade them differently, grow up gay.

If these typical role-modeling influences were taken away, people would grow comfortably with whatever they chose.

More nonsense. Do you have children? Teach children? Can you cite any studies which back up your claims?

Facts. Present facts for your argument.

I believe the word you're searching for is patent, by the way.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think that everyone is born ambisexual (I'm going to patend that word soon). We are presented with social situations that condition us during our formulative years and it determines which way we swing. Boys are given very masculine toys to play with, rooms painted in blue, and told to mimic Daddy. Girls are given dolls, rooms painted pink, and told to do as Mommy does. The gays that are born that way are the ones that stray from this conditioning and no matter the effort to persuade them differently, grow up gay.

If these typical role-modeling influences were taken away, people would grow comfortably with whatever they chose.

Ah, that's completely different than the impression you gave in your first post.

But there is some new evidence showing up that the hormonal shifts in the mother's womb during crucial points in pregnancy have a lot to do with sexual identity on the part of the child, more than the cartoon showed. Childhood modelling of sex roles is the least important statistic, not the most. It tends to mold a person's intersocial style, not their sexual preference.

I used the word 'ambisexual" back in the '70's, it's my copyright.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Clear back in the 70's, at the height of the nonsensical androgyne movement, neurological evidence began to build that male and female brains are different. This is now accepted by most serious scholars though there are always a few holdouts. Within the last twenty years, evidence is mounting that 'pure' homosexuals have brains that are different from the heterosexual majority.

Even given that there is actually not a on/off het/homo orientation but a range of variation from all one to all the other with varying degrees of 'bi' in between, there is still no evidence to indicate that a person's choice has anything to do with it. Of course, anyone can refuse to believe it but lack of belief does not make something untrue.

 

[CarolinaHeat]

hadn't seen this one before. but I'm sending it on to a few people!

I usually avoid these threads because they just end up pissing me off. And no matter how many different ways you try to explain that it's not a choice, many are convinced otherwise and are closed minded and won't hear what we say.

For me, it's usually a conversation with men that attack me or are just curious because they don't understand. And I always start off by telling them, if you're sitting at a bar with 2 of your buddies and there's 3 women and a guy sitting at a nearby table. You may be attracted to the skinny young blonde, your buddy may be attracted to the brunette athlete, and your other buddy might be attracted to the older red-head. And nobody is attracted to the guy. It's not a conscious decision or choice to which person you're attracted to...it's just the way it is. And they always tell me, "so we have different tastes in our preference for women, but we don't want to fuck the guy. we have no feelings for him". yea, well guess what??? neither do I. It's not a choice.

 

[TheCarver]

More nonsense. Do you have children? Teach children? Can you cite any studies which back up your claims?

Facts. Present facts for your argument.

I believe the word you're searching for is patent, by the way.

Did I rub you the wrong way or something. I didn't mean too.

I do have children and I do teach as well. I can't back up anything that I have said because I haven't research it other than speaking to various people that are gay, therapists, and one or two psychologists/psychiatrists. It was my own opinion based upon personal observation over the past 40 years.

 

[fallen_1]

As a Christian, I had always believed that homosexuality was a choice and was wrong.

Still a Christian, but also an aspiring Buddhist, I'm finding that each person needs to do whatever makes them happy. We each have our own path to life and our own way to find and it is not for me to tell another which way is the right way.

I also know what it is like to have thoughts, feelings, needs that others don't share or understand and to always feel like I'm in "sin" or like something is wrong with me.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think that everyone is born ambisexual (I'm going to patend that word soon). We are presented with social situations that condition us during our formulative years and it determines which way we swing. Boys are given very masculine toys to play with, rooms painted in blue, and told to mimic Daddy. Girls are given dolls, rooms painted pink, and told to do as Mommy does. The gays that are born that way are the ones that stray from this conditioning and no matter the effort to persuade them differently, grow up gay.

If these typical role-modeling influences were taken away, people would grow comfortably with whatever they chose.

I'm convinced youre full of shit with your SWINGS BOTH WAYS THEORY.

The default selection for humans is female. Without androgenic hormones flipping switches during development all men would look like females, but have no uterus or ovaries, and they wouldnt express any male psychological traits. America is full of genetic males who look and act like females. They even get married to men.

Gay men probably have a small amount of natural insensitivity to androgenic hormones. But if the testosterone tide rises high enough, there's no going back, because the bell is rung and you cant unring that bell.

I'm convinced that any male baptized, fully immersed, in testosterone, thinks your theory is nutty.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm convinced that any male baptized, fully immersed, in testosterone, thinks your theory is nutty.

Or is trying to overcompensate for something nagging at him deep inside.

 

[TheCarver]

I'm convinced youre full of shit with your SWINGS BOTH WAYS THEORY.

The default selection for humans is female. Without androgenic hormones flipping switches during development all men would look like females, but have no uterus or ovaries, and they wouldnt express any male psychological traits. America is full of genetic males who look and act like females. They even get married to men.

Gay men probably have a small amount of natural insensitivity to androgenic hormones. But if the testosterone tide rises high enough, there's no going back, because the bell is rung and you cant unring that bell.

I'm convinced that any male baptized, fully immersed, in testosterone, thinks your theory is nutty.

Does no one realize that this is an opinionated question and therefore anyone response is fine?

I am not judging anyone's preferance in the slightest. We all have the right to be who we want, or were meant, to be. My original statement is only my opinion and is certainly open to further investigation. Cut me some slack.

In case anyone is just being critical, I've had male and female lovers and could live quite comfortably with either sex.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CARVER

You get your own misinformed opinion, but you dont get your own facts when you assert that all men are ambisexual. HOW FUCKING ABSURD.

 

[TheCarver]

So tell me Einstein, where are your work cites or references at? I don't see anything that makes you more right than I am.

The default selection for humans is female. Without androgenic hormones flipping switches during development all men would look like females, but have no uterus or ovaries, and they wouldnt express any male psychological traits. America is full of genetic males who look and act like females. They even get married to men.

Gay men probably have a small amount of natural insensitivity to androgenic hormones. But if the testosterone tide rises high enough, there's no going back, because the bell is rung and you cant unring that bell.

I'm convinced that any male baptized, fully immersed, in testosterone, thinks your theory is nutty.