DC gay marriage vote could entangle Congress

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DC gay marriage vote could entangle Congress
By BRIAN WESTLEY – 15 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The city council in the nation's capital voted Tuesday to recognize same-sex marriages from states that approve them, a step that could propel the emotional issue into Congress and draw Democrats into a culture-wars battle with each other.

President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders responded to the 12-1 vote by the District of Columbia Council with near silence — hoping to avoid aggravating Democratic factions already at odds over that issue and more.

Republicans, usually willing to exploit differences between Democrats, also barely reacted to the council's gay-marriage decision. GOP leaders and their aides, asked whether anyone will try to use the decision as a wedge issue, said they were preoccupied by matters such as the economic downturn and swine flu.

But they have time.

The city council vote is considered the first step toward eventually allowing gay marriages to be performed in Washington. Congress, which has final say over the city's laws, has 30 days to review the bill, assuming Democratic Mayor Adrian Fenty, a supporter, signs it.

If Congress takes no action, the bill will become law automatically.

The White House declined to comment on the council's vote, repeating Obama's general support for civil unions and belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said through a spokesman that Congress should not interfere in the D.C. government decision.

Pelosi already has one vexing D.C. issue on her plate: giving its residents a voting seat in the House. The U.S. Senate has voted to do that, but only as part of a measure abolishing most of the city's gun control statutes. Pelosi has been reluctant to bring the district voter rights issue to a showdown vote between gun control advocates in her party and moderates concerned by the political power of the National Rifle Association.

Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who is gay, said he expects congressional opponents of gay marriage to rally to repeal the city's decision but doubts they'll get very far.

"For this to be overturned, it'd have to pass both houses and be signed by the president, and that's highly unlikely," Frank said.

Vermont, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Iowa allow gay marriage and lawmakers in several other states are considering whether to do the same. The Maine House approved a same-sex marriage bill Tuesday and sent it back to the state Senate, where it is expected to be taken up Wednesday.

New York recognizes gay marriages performed in other states.

Former Washington Mayor Marion Barry cast the lone council vote against recognizing same-sex marriages. He called it an "agonizing and difficult decision" that he made after praying and consulting with his constituents and the religious community.

Gay-marriage supporters greeted the vote with applause, but they were outnumbered at city hall by outraged opponents, including many black ministers.

The majority-black district is overwhelmingly Democratic, but public support for gay marriage is unclear. Exit polls in California indicated about seven in 10 black voters there weighed in against gay marriage in a November vote.

The Rev. Anthony Evans, a pastor at Mount Zion Baptist Church in Washington, said he would work to have the measure killed in Congress — and to unseat every D.C. Council member who voted for it.

"They just kissed their political careers goodbye," he said.

Gay marriage supporters gathered outside the council hearing room included Ed Grandis, a lawyer who lives in the city with his husband, J.D. Campos. The pair married in California last year during the time same-sex marriage was legal there, and they hope to have their marriage recognized in D.C.

"We don't have any interest in making their religious institution recognize our marriage or our relationship," Grandis said. Instead, Grandis said, it's about the government recognizing the couple's civil rights.

The district already recognizes domestic partnerships, but gay marriage supporters say that's not enough.

"It's an equality issue," said Sara Mindel, who has been with her partner for nine years and has a 10-month-old son. "In my mind, marriage, although it's a wonderful religious ceremony, ultimately gives you so many important states' rights and legal rights."

Associated Press writers Laurie Kellman and Gillian Gaynair contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
STOP TAKING AWAY MY RIGHT TO STRAIGHT MARRIAGE!

somehow... I'm not really sure exactly how that works...
 
STOP TAKING AWAY MY RIGHT TO STRAIGHT MARRIAGE!

somehow... I'm not really sure exactly how that works...

I posted this because I just don't see how Congress will approve this measure. Now way! It's the sweet spot in the entire campaign, forget California, getting gay marriage in DC is a major victory.

Personally, I could care less about the gay marriage issue. I hope they get it.
 
I posted this because I just don't see how Congress will approve this measure. Now way! It's the sweet spot in the entire campaign, forget California, getting gay marriage in DC is a major victory.

Personally, I could care less about the gay marriage issue. I hope they get it.

The issue is not about DC legalizing gay marriage, it's about DC recognizing the gay marriages sanctioned by other states.
 
Gay marriage in DC would mean Republican Senators could start filing joint tax returns.
 
The issue is not about DC legalizing gay marriage, it's about DC recognizing the gay marriages sanctioned by other states.

I realize that, but if you read the article in today's Washington Post, it said they plan to pursue other measures including "gay marriage" in the next few months. This is only the beginning. Two gay guys sit on the board just next to Marion Barry. Ironically, Marion Barry was the only "no" vote.

I love it.
 
Personally, I could care less about the gay marriage issue. I hope they get it.

Surely this issue will end up in front of The SC who'll usurp the votes of millions who decided the issue at the ballot box and decree Gay Marriage as the Law of the Land...voters be damned.
 
Surely this issue will end up in front of The SC who'll usurp the votes of millions who decided the issue at the ballot box and decree Gay Marriage as the Law of the Land...voters be damned.

Tell it to President Gore.
 
Surely this issue will end up in front of The SC who'll usurp the votes of millions who decided the issue at the ballot box and decree Gay Marriage as the Law of the Land...voters be damned.

Constitutionality isn't determined by the ballot box.
 
Surely this issue will end up in front of The SC who'll usurp the votes of millions who decided the issue at the ballot box and decree Gay Marriage as the Law of the Land...voters be damned.

SC? I'd say most gays voted for Obama, for just this reason. His favorable, liberal stance on gays, despite what he says.
 
Constitutionality isn't determined by the ballot box.

where in the constitution does it say homosexuals can marry?
oh that's right...it's a living breathing document meant to be massaged and shaped into what you want it to say depending on the times...indeed...it does say gays may marry!
 
where in the constitution does it say homosexuals can marry?
oh that's right...it's a living breathing document meant to be massaged and shaped into what you want it to say depending on the times...indeed...it does say gays may marry!

What the hell are you talking about? Are you on drugs or something?
 
where in the constitution does it say homosexuals can marry?
oh that's right...it's a living breathing document meant to be massaged and shaped into what you want it to say depending on the times...indeed...it does say gays may marry!

Where does it say blacks are equal? It's a human rights issue. All men are crated equal. Besides that, government shouldnt be mandating who should and shouldnt be married. I mean, its not like "straight" people have this figured out. Divorce rate is about 60% last I checked.

Let them marry, who the fuck cares???
 
where in the constitution does it say homosexuals can marry?
oh that's right...it's a living breathing document meant to be massaged and shaped into what you want it to say depending on the times...indeed...it does say gays may marry!

Where does it say they can't.

A marriage license is a government document. What is your reasoning for denying it some people and not to others?
 
Where does it say they can't.

A marriage license is a government document. What is your reasoning for denying it some people and not to others?

when did your enlightenment occur? not your skin tone, your opinion on gay marriage...have you thought about it for decades or is your mind open to anything that comes down the pike as long as it's a progressive cause and can arrive at your viewpoint on a dime to stay in step with whatever the progressives are touting du jour?
 
where in the constitution does it say homosexuals can marry?
oh that's right...it's a living breathing document meant to be massaged and shaped into what you want it to say depending on the times...indeed...it does say gays may marry!

isn't this a states' rights issue or sorts?

shouldn't all those states be able to define what a marriage is?

or is that not a right reserved for the states?
 
when did your enlightenment occur? not your skin tone, your opinion on gay marriage...have you thought about it for decades or is your mind open to anything that comes down the pike as long as it's a progressive cause and can arrive at your viewpoint on a dime to stay in step with whatever the progressives are touting du jour?

My opinion on gay marriage has been much the same for about 40 years or so. It's not a difficult decision.

Why are you so determined to put the government in people's bedrooms?

Is this a religious crusade on your part, or do homosexuals threaten you to the point you feel they need to be sanctioned by government power?

The real question becomes, why do you care. What is the danger? I would love to hear your answer because I am an open minded person.
 
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