Time for Akatrex and Bentsecrets to cry! Obama attacks offshoring

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and offshore tax havens!

It's the beginning of the end! Capitalism is dying! Oh noes! The Russians are coming! Er... *hic* It's the end of the world as we know it! And I feel fine!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090504/pl_nm/us_obama_economy_taxes/print

Obama seeks tax changes for U.S. firms overseas
By Caren Bohan and Kim Dixon Caren Bohan And Kim Dixon 1 hr 50 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Monday will propose changing provisions in the tax code that he says encourage U.S. companies to move jobs overseas, as part of a broader package aimed at saving $210 billion over 10 years.

The plan also would make it harder for individuals to stash money in overseas accounts to avoid taxation. Obama will roll out his ideas in an announcement at 11:05 a.m. EDT, where he will be joined by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

U.S. officials said Obama wants to follow through on a campaign promise to change the tax treatment of firms with overseas operations.

That portion of his plan -- opposed by such firms as Pfizer Inc and Oracle Corp -- would raise more than $100 billion in revenue in the next decade.

In an echo of a line he used often on the campaign trail last year, Obama vowed in a February address to the U.S. Congress to make the tax code more fair by "finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

Currently, U.S. firms are allowed to defer paying taxes on profits earned overseas if they plow those profits back into their foreign subsidiaries.

Critics say those rules encourage businesses to bolster their foreign operations instead of creating jobs at home.

But an array of firms signed a letter to congressional leaders in March opposing changes to the "deferral" provision.

The letter, signed by 200 companies and trade groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said the firms would not be on a level playing field with international rivals, many of which are not required to pay taxes at home on overseas entities.

Pfizer, Oracle, Microsoft Corp Johnson & Johnson and General Electric Co were among the firms that signed the letter.

NO MORE DEDUCTING EXPENSES

A central provision would prohibit companies from deducting expenses supporting their overseas operations until they pay taxes on offshore profits.

The officials said the plan would also end a practice by which some firms take big deductions against their taxes by inflating the amount of foreign taxes they have paid.

The proposal also includes extension of a research and experimentation tax credit the administration says businesses have been pushing for, which is expected to give a tax cut of $74.5 billion over 10 years to companies investing at home.

Drew Lyon, a tax expert at PriceWaterhouse Coopers, said the changes to the "deferral" provision would be sweeping, since half of multinationals firms' income is earned abroad.

"It's really hitting most Fortune 100 companies that depend to a great deal on growth of foreign markets for growing their total earnings," Lyon said, adding that many countries are moving in the opposite direction of giving firms new incentives for investing abroad in the hope they will boost exports.

Senior U.S. officials who described Obama's plans said they were balanced and would not put excessive burdens on firms.

They said studies looking at effective tax rates -- the amount paid after deductions -- show the United States is in the middle range of other Group of Seven countries when it comes to corporate taxation.

Obama's proposals on deferral mirror legislation drafted by House Democrats, who the Obama administration consulted in crafting its plan.

In addition to the changes to the deferral provisions, separate proposals in Obama's plan would raise $95 billion by cracking down on overseas tax havens. Such tax havens became a major topic at the April meeting in London of leaders of the Group of 20 major economies.

The Obama plan would close loopholes that allow firms and individuals to hide income. He also plans to bolster enforcement of overseas tax evasion and wants to see stiffer penalties for those who fail to meet reporting requirements.

While serving in the U.S. Senate, Obama backed legislation drafted by Sen. Carl Levin, head of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, to crack down on tax havens. That legislation did not pass but Levin and other lawmakers are working on other ways to address these issues.

In one of the proposals to crack down on tax evasion, the administration would require financial institutions to share information to the Internal Revenue Service about its U.S. customers. Foreign institutions must sign up with the IRS to become "a qualified intermediary" or else face a presumption that they are helping individuals evade taxes.

Swiss banking giant UBS AG acknowledged in February that it helped U.S. clients conceal assets from their government. It agreed to pay a $780 million fine and has since identified about 320 of its American clients.

The U.S. government is now suing UBS in a civil case to reveal the identities of 52,000 Americans suspected of using accounts at the bank to hide about $14.8 billion of assets.

(Editing by Doina Chiacu and Bill Trott)
 
Taxation and tax code enforcement is considered an attack by you?

Ishmael and A_J will agree. :eek:
 
Another "bold" parry he will retreat on

LJ - you understand the implications of this proposal about as well duh1.

Once some of duh1's tech supporters (accomplices) meet and explain the broader implications (further reduces US companies ability to compete in world markets) of this ill-conceived notion, it will likley fall off the radar screen.

That or it will quickly pass, affirming duh1's anti-business agenda.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/05/BUF817D164.DTL&feed=rss.technology

Carl Guardino usually comes across as an amenable, mild-mannered Silicon Valley executive. But not on Monday. Not when he watched President Obama promising to end overseas tax breaks for U.S. companies that "create a job in Bangalore, India, (rather than) one in Buffalo, N.Y." Guardino, CEO of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, angrily described Obama's language as "not only discouraging, but divisive." The president's implication that companies such as Cisco Systems and Hewlett-Packard merely "ship jobs overseas," and are being rewarded in the bargain, came as a shock to Guardino, who otherwise described the president as "brilliant and respected by so many in the tech sector who are counting on the administration as their ally."

Indeed, Obama's proposal to limit U.S. companies' ability to defer paying U.S. taxes on offshore earnings does put Bay Area companies doing a lot of business overseas directly in the crosshairs. "It would adversely impact our ability to invest and grow our business in the (United States) and to compete against our foreign competitors," said a spokesman for Cisco.

Google, whose CEO, Eric Schmidt, is supposed to be a close buddy of Obama's, said it is "too early to evaluate the potential effect on Google's operations, as there will likely be multiple proposals considered."

High stakes: Now, to put things in perspective, Cisco, Google and others have done very well by the current setup. Cisco, which had north of $30 billion in cash at last count, earned $5.6 billion overseas in 2008. By deferring taxes on those earnings, it enjoyed a 16 percent reduction in its U.S. tax rate, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of SEC filings. Google got a 17.4 percent break thanks to tax deferrals on $7.7 billion of overseas earnings. HP, which reported a net profit of $1.8 billion in its last quarter, can defer taxes on $12.9 billion worth of foreign earnings, which it plans to reinvest overseas indefinitely, according to an SEC filing reported by the San Jose Mercury News.

So, doth Guardino et. al. protest too much? Not according to Atulya Sarin, a professor of finance at Santa Clara University. "It's a bad idea from the word go," said Sarin, who has consulted with the Internal Revenue Service and with Fortune 100 companies on international tax issues. "Increasing these taxes will reduce after-tax profits, which will reduce incentives. Right now, the administration should be helping Silicon Valley maintain its competitive edge, not making it less so. I hope saner minds will prevail."

Sang Kim, an international tax attorney at DLA Piper in East Palo Alto, decried Obama's Bangalore-Buffalo reference as "patently unfair and false." While he said the proposals were enticing, given the administration's drive to stimulate the domestic economy and raise more tax revenue, he warned of unintended consequences, including the possibility that more, not fewer, jobs could be shipped overseas. "Let's hope everyone thinks this through," he said.

That's the message Guardino and his 50-strong delegation of Silicon Valley executives - who just happen to be in Washington, D.C. - will be taking to their hometown representatives today. How much joy they get remains to be seen. In a statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she "welcome(s) the strong initiative outlined by President Obama that will restore fairness to the tax code by closing international tax loopholes." Pelosi said, "I look forward to working with the president and members of Congress to advance these proposals and close these loopholes." In the past, Sen. Barbara Boxer has pointed out there is "a great deal of misunderstanding surrounding these tax issues," said her senior adviser, Natalie Ravitz. Boxer also wants to be sure that any changes "do not result in unintended consequences," Ravitz said.

"This may not be Mount Everest, but it's going to be quite a climb," said Guardino, who is also due to meet with White House officials today. "They're smart people and doing their best. But clearly they see the world a little differently than Silicon Valley."
 
Duh1 wants to tax intereste/capital gains on personal offshore accounts

He can want to do whatever he wants but those accounts are untouchable unless the Swiss enters into an agreement with the U.S. which is not likely.
 
It is about time someone stood up to these companies that hide there profits.
They have had it made for far too long,
 
Let's ring in the death of Capitalism and the worldwide resurgence of Collectivism! After all, we only managed to murder a little more than ONE HUNDRED MILLION men, women and children with YOUR Collectivist ideology in the 20th century, why don't we go for a BILLION this time?

I'll enjoy taking a walk with you amongst the stacks of dead, rotting corpses of children who starved and died in the streets. After all, let's face it: that's what your IMPOTENT ass really wants.
 
Let's ring in the death of Capitalism and the worldwide resurgence of Collectivism! After all, we only managed to murder a little more than ONE HUNDRED MILLION men, women and children with YOUR Collectivist ideology in the 20th century, why don't we go for a BILLION this time?

I'll enjoy taking a walk with you amongst the stacks of dead, rotting corpses of children who starved and died in the streets. After all, let's face it: that's what your IMPOTENT ass really wants.

Ah, yes. Today, tightening up income-tax enforcement and penalizing offshoring. Tomorrow -- Global Stalinism! :D
 
Ah, yes. Today, tightening up income-tax enforcement and penalizing offshoring. Tomorrow -- Global Stalinism! :D
He's a conservative who denies he's a conservative. He probably denies it because his people are getting their asses royally handed to them politically.

He wants to be called an "economic classic liberal". Notice his desire to somehow be identified with "liberal".

It's like going to the movie rental place and seeing the "Transformers" videos the "Transmorphers" videos right next to each other. :D
 
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