So what do you believe in? (Quasi Political?)

[SeaCat]

So call me what you will my views can't pigeon hole me as either Liberal or Conservative. How about you?

I do not believe in Weapons Registration, although I do agree with possible licensing for training reasons. (ie CCW Training.)

I do not believe in endless Welfare. I do however believe in short term assistance for those able to work. (Say six months total with one acceptance only.) Those truly unable to work are another case entirely.

I do believe in a basic universal healthcare, but I also believe that everyone should have to pay for it in some way.

I believe in taking responsibility for ones actions.

I do not believe in temporary Insanity.

I believe in enforcing the laws on the books, we don't need more laws.

I do not believe in Plea Bargains.

I do not believe in insurance companies picking and choosing their policy sales. (ie. Home Owners Insurance here in Florida.)

I believe in letting a business live or die on it's own.

I believe that the government needs to step back in the case of most businesses. Let them run the way they want. (Free Enterprise) The only time the government should step in is when that company is willfuly hurting people. ie. the recent poisonings.

I do not believe in Indecent Exposure.

I believe in the seperation of Church and State.

I believe people should be allowed to marry who they want.

I believe in the ability of one to defend oneself.

I believe in legalising and taxing all drugs. Then again I do not believe in having to pay for ones detox and/or addiction clean up.

I believe in making the punishment fit the crime.

I do not believe in child abuse, yet I do belive in the ability of parents to punish their children including corporal punishment.

I do not believe in the feel good attitude in many schools and/or groups. You either win or you lose. Get used to it.

I do not believe in Racism, from either side of the coin. Nor do I believe in sexism.

You want to believe according to any religeon? Fine, just don't push it on me or anyone else.

I do not believe in religious exemptions from taxation.

I believe in legal immigration. If you don't want to come hre legaly then don't complain when we throw your ass out. On the other hand I also don't believe in the immigration quotas. This country was built by immigrants.

I believe in equal rights. You earn your way by your own abilities and efforts.

So how do I stack up? How do you stack up?

Cat

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I believe….

I believe in the rule of law. I also believe in Freedom. I also believe that some of my freedoms are infringed by current law.

I believe that all people should be equal in the eyes of the law. I also believe that this is not the case currently.

I believe in your freedom to express yourself in any medium you wish. But that right does not give you the right to exploit, harm or enslave others without their express consent.

I believe that children cannot give their consent until they reach the age of majority.

I believe that there is global warming, which is not being caused by mankind or womankind.

I believe that tree huggers would be happy, deep down inside, if most, if not all, of us died and the planet was returned to its pristine beginnings.

I believe in the individual. I believe in the rights of the individual.

I believe that an individual should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, as long as there is no possibility it will do harm to another person, that person’s family or another person’s property.

I believe in a small centralized government that keeps its nose out of my business.

I believe in a consumption tax instead of an income tax.

I believe in a strong defense and an even stronger offense. Diplomats have their place and time but when they fail it’s time to kick ass.

I believe in a strong national policy against illegal immigration.

I believe nuclear weapons aren’t an option.

I believe in a woman’s right to say ‘No’ no matter what the circumstances.

I believe rapists and pedophiles and murders should be kept in jail for life. I also believe that the state should not be legally responsible for their upkeep.

I believe in the constitution, even if the current batch of politicians doesn’t.

I believe it is my job to bring this to the attention of those same politicians in any lawful way possible.

I believe Congress is required by law and by the constitution to redress any and all of our grievances.

I believe in the right of mankind to survive as a species.

I believe mankind evolved to be the grand species they are today.

I believe the creation of the universe took billions and billions of years. Nothing this beautiful could be built in six days, unless of course a day is a billion years long.

I believe that this list has no specific order nor is in any way complete and to place these beliefs in order would ruin everything.

 

[Liar]

I believe democracy is not enough.

I believe the word freedom should be followed by the word "to", not the word "from".

I believe in the free maket. But see my previous line. Not free from regulation, free to function.

I believe force is failure.

I believe people who like weapons should have their heads examined.

I believe there is no current source of energy more clean and efficient than nuclear, and that instead of fearing it, we need to pour as much resources into research on that as we do into solar and wind.

I believe 99% of all that is theorized about sex, is navel gazing hyperbolic bullshit.

I believe most things are easier than they look if you just try. Except figure skating.

I believe patriotism is a mass psychosis.

I believe in the perfect cup of coffee.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd say I'm mixed, based on the issue and whatever information I have available at the time--and whether I'm pressed to even have an opinion on that issue at that moment.

I'm kind of a situational ethics guy.

 

[Liar]

I'm kind of a situational ethics guy.

Oh, so YOU'RE the usual suspect moral relativist nihilist liberal socialist that you-know-who always has his panties in a bunch about. I was beginning to wonder who the hell he was talking about.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, so YOU'RE the usual suspect moral relativist nihilist liberal socialist that you-know-who always has his panties in a bunch about. I was beginning to wonder who the hell he was talking about.

Yep, that would be me. I it seems so empty in this room. Amicus assured me there were so many other usual suspects in this room too.

 

[rgraham666]

I believe there's enough pain in the world without me adding to it.

 

[Guest]

Oh, so YOU'RE the usual suspect moral relativist nihilist liberal socialist that you-know-who always has his panties in a bunch about. I was beginning to wonder who the hell he was talking about.

I thought it was me.

 

[DeeZire]

I do believe in gun registration. Over 4000 Mexican citizens have died in the last year due to gun violence, the guns purchased here in Tucson and other border cities at gun shows and then smuggled across the border.

I would correlate "taking responsibility for one's actions" with gun registration - can you sell guns to criminals and then shrug your shoulders and say "not my problem" when ordinary citizens get killed by those guns? Gun registration would make it harder for criminals to get guns, while having no adverse affect whatsoever on law-abiding citizens.

Other than that, I believe in about 92.3% of the OP. Oh hell, make that 93%.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I do believe in gun registration. Over 4000 Mexican citizens have died in the last year due to gun violence, the guns purchased here in Tucson and other border cities at gun shows and then smuggled across the border.

I would correlate "taking responsibility for one's actions" with gun registration - can you sell guns to criminals and then shrug your shoulders and say "not my problem" when ordinary citizens get killed by those guns? Gun registration would make it harder for criminals to get guns, while having no adverse affect whatsoever on law-abiding citizens.

Other than that, I believe in about 92.3% of the OP. Oh hell, make that 93%.

I come from a state that has the toughest gun laws on the books, criminals still have guns, but those law abiding citizens don't. Could you please explain that?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I come from a state that has the toughest gun laws on the books, criminals still have guns, but those law abiding citizens don't. Could you please explain that?

You live in a state that doesn't understand the difference between "registration" and "prohibition." That doesn't make registration a bad idea, it means that you and your fellow citizens have to get smarter laws passed.

You'll have to do some very clear, careful thinking and communicating with your less gung-ho fellow citizens. Not apocalyptic sloganeering, no brandishing vague "criminals" as threats. No ranting hatred of liberals; You'll have to get the libs on your side. Grass roots.

I believe you can do it!

 

[DeeZire]

I come from a state that has the toughest gun laws on the books, criminals still have guns, but those law abiding citizens don't. Could you please explain that?

Once that cat's out of the bag, it's really difficult to coax it back into the bag. The point about unregulated gun shows is that any "collector" can buy any gun with no paperwork. Most of those "collectable" guns end up in the hands of criminals. If one state has strict gun laws, the criminals get their guns from a conservative backwater state like Arizona that allows any yahoo to buy a gun. If you're interested, there's a fact-based article linked below.

http://www.csgv.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=pmL5JnO7KzE&b=3509271&ct=4538221

NEW STUDY REVEALS THAT GUN SHOWS REMAIN SETTING FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY

A new study by Dr. Garen J. Wintemute, Director of UC Davis’ Violence Prevention Research Program, demonstrates that American gun shows continue to be a venue for illegal activity, including straw purchases and unlicensed sales to prohibited individuals. The study also reveals that these events remain largely unregulated, with no visible law enforcement presence despite the volume of undocumented “off-the-books” sales taking place.

In order to compile data for his article, Dr. Wintemute attended and made observations at 28 gun shows in California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Florida. California regulates gun shows, prohibiting undocumented private party gun sales. Such restrictions do not exist in the latter four states, which are leading sources of California’s crime guns.

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[neonlyte]

I believe there's enough pain in the world without me adding to it.

Nah... that's just you talking. No pain among friends, buddy.


Liar's List
Except for the figure skating... how hard can that be?

I'd add:
Universal Health Care
Freedom to be delusion-able
Freedom to choose, providing your choice does no harm to others.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I believe in self interest. It's the only enduring human trait.

 

[jomar]

I don't believe in corporal punishment of children.

 

[impressive]

I believe in the Golden Rule. All else flows from that.

 

[Liar]

Freedom to choose, providing your choice does no harm to others.

I believe that freedom to choose is a fraud unless there are viable options.

 

[Xelebes]

I believe everyone is capable of being rational and irrational, that what is rational is what has had forethought and that what is irrational is what has had no forethought.

I believe the opportunity to think before acting is never always going to be given a chance to be rationally thought out.

I believe that any human construct that expects people to think rationally is bound to act in an irrational manner.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I believe Imp is right.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You live in a state that doesn't understand the difference between "registration" and "prohibition." That doesn't make registration a bad idea, it means that you and your fellow citizens have to get smarter laws passed.

You'll have to do some very clear, careful thinking and communicating with your less gung-ho fellow citizens. Not apocalyptic sloganeering, no brandishing vague "criminals" as threats. No ranting hatred of liberals; You'll have to get the libs on your side. Grass roots.

I believe you can do it!

I didn't say I live there, just come from there. The state I live in has some of the most lax gun laws in the union. And the state I came from is one of the most corrupt in the union.

ETA: Guess which has the higher incident of crimes involving guns?