Politics and Current Events

[driphoney]

I love you for not interpreting my post as a direct attack.

Must be a slow day around here.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Must be a slow day around here.

*smirk* I couldn't have put it better.

 

[Liar]

Yeah that's why I didn't do it for long. But ya know, then you're basically saying they make the forum a better place (i.e. less dull) which I'm not sure is entirely true either...

Whether it is or ain't is rather subjecvtive wouldn't ya say?

Personally, I'm amused by politics quibbles.

And bored by the flirting threads, game threads and blurt threads.

Each to their own.

 

[amicus]

Hmmm...before both the 2008 election and the one of 2004, there were complaints about the amount of political discussion taking place on the forum as if the few detractors wished to manage or control the content of an Author's Hangout.

In the interregnum, this forum has been dominated by those who favor abortion, gay rights, socialized medicine, e.g., the progressive left agenda and few if any, ever complained.

But an amazing thing happened within the forum (sic) as, of late, a different political tone seems to dominate that challenges, 'in your face', for the normative function of the forum , that of a left wing conveyor belt for propapanda and back patting, or group hugs, as it were.

The 'usual suspects', don't appreciate the heat, or the challenge to their faith, and like the Democrats in Congress, would apply the 'fairness doctrine', to quell the 'free speech' advertised by this site and this forum.

Go ahead, deny it, I know you will, but nevertheless..."What's next?"

amicus...

 

[sadangel]

Hmmm...before both the 2008 election and the one of 2004, there were complaints about the amount of political discussion taking place on the forum as if the few detractors wished to manage or control the content of an Author's Hangout.

In the interregnum, this forum has been dominated by those who favor abortion, gay rights, socialized medicine, e.g., the progressive left agenda and few if any, ever complained.

But an amazing thing happened within the forum (sic) as, of late, a different political tone seems to dominate that challenges, 'in your face', for the normative function of the forum , that of a left wing conveyor belt for propapanda and back patting, or group hugs, as it were.

The 'usual suspects', don't appreciate the heat, or the challenge to their faith, and like the Democrats in Congress, would apply the 'fairness doctrine', to quell the 'free speech' advertised by this site and this forum.

Go ahead, deny it, I know you will, but nevertheless..."What's next?"

amicus...

I for one am not trying to quell free speech at all. Simply saying, as did the OP that it would be nice if it had it's own place where those who wish to engage in it all day long can go and do so. That is not trying to quell nor to limit free speech in any manner. It is simply giving it its own place in the forums.

Highly doubt it will happen, but at least it's been made known to the powers that be that there are some who would welcome it.

 

[amicus]

I think you do not see the 'big picture'(Peter O'Toole:"Creator"), consider this as an opposing view. Suppose, for example, that someone suggests that all 'gay' sexual commentary, 'homosexual friendly' commentary, in stories and life and in politics, were to be relegated to 'their own sub-forum', would you not be somewhat outraged?

Politics, political commentary, the discussion of ethics and morals from all vantage points, namely political and psychological, are an integral part of what writers do, consciously or innately, without focus.

Every story, every scenario, every character, every scene you force onto the printed page contains all that you think and believe and are and will become.

If you push the extremes of the acceptable, you do so for a reason. If you concentrate on just one venue, you do so for another reason. The last thing writers want to discuss on a forum such as this, is writing; they live it, they sure as hell do not wish to corrupt their own unique vision by sharing their thoughts on specific writing procedures.

We are all political by nature, like it or not, and when some wish to contain it within their own definition of 'boundaries', know that you are tampering with free speech.

The same with the pussies that yearn for a 'moderator' on this forum to spank their lil hinies when they say bad things.

Amicus...

 

[driphoney]

I think you do not see the 'big picture'(Peter O'Toole:"Creator"), consider this as an opposing view. Suppose, for example, that someone suggests that all 'gay' sexual commentary, 'homosexual friendly' commentary, in stories and life and in politics, were to be relegated to 'their own sub-forum', would you not be somewhat outraged?

Politics, political commentary, the discussion of ethics and morals from all vantage points, namely political and psychological, are an integral part of what writers do, consciously or innately, without focus.

Every story, every scenario, every character, every scene you force onto the printed page contains all that you think and believe and are and will become.

If you push the extremes of the acceptable, you do so for a reason. If you concentrate on just one venue, you do so for another reason. The last thing writers want to discuss on a forum such as this, is writing; they live it, they sure as hell do not wish to corrupt their own unique vision by sharing their thoughts on specific writing procedures.

We are all political by nature, like it or not, and when some wish to contain it within their own definition of 'boundaries', know that you are tampering with free speech.

The same with the pussies that yearn for a 'moderator' on this forum to spank their lil hinies when they say bad things.

Amicus...

Why am I opening my mouth? I'm way too big of a sissy to be doing this. I need a life.

So, let's play this out ...

I got an idea ... Why have any separate forums? Any? I mean, isn't giving this BB some sort of organization just a way to silence speech, given the previous logic? This isn't just about commentary. It's so obvious to me now how much speech has already been stymied. Why are they being bullies and separating out the writers from the non-writers? Why do the gays and lesbians have to hang in their own forum? Why not mix the pic threads with the ones here? Why should a writer-type have to back click, then take his mouse all the way down to the pic forum to find a cute pussy? Why have an editor's forum? Why not just make one gigantic marketplace of ideas all intermingled, flowing and ebbing together? Why do we discriminate? Why do people have to take their talks of specific stories to another space on the computer screen? Think about it, all of us here might find ourselves digging and digging just to find the two or three threads that catch our interest, yet we might meet people and ideas and pussies we never would have considered before.

You know ... I think you might be on to something here, something way beyond what you even imagined ... I'm not advocating anything either way, just playing a mental game, a creative exercise.

 

[amicus]

A pleasure to make your acquaintance, Driphoney, but I must confess, I am not certain just what point you were making.

Other than the AH, and the submissions page, when I post a story, I, personally have not explored Literotica beyond that and do not care to.

To condense what I posted before, there is a 'clique' here that desires to remain the motive force of this particular forum by moving those in opposition to a manageable space and I object to that.

It pops up now and again, like acne, thus one treats it.

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There's really no solution. They wouldn't stay in their cage.

Esp the "in your face" posters like LaJoke and JJ. The only good solution is to have them on ignore, like Stella does, so the forum is clean of their threads. I did it once - it really makes for a totally different AH!

The IGNORE thingy does nuthin more than draw a crowd. I love it when STELLA shreiks PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!! All it does is make people curious.

One of the best writing compliments an editor ever gane me was: IT WAS SO OFFENSIVE I COULDNT STOP READING IT. And thats the name of the game.

 

[sr71plt]

One of the best writing compliments an editor ever gane me was: IT WAS SO OFFENSIVE I COULDNT STOP READING IT. And thats the name of the game.

Remember that you posted this JBJ; from time to time you seem surprised that posters remember that you acknowledge you are only here to goad.

 

[DeeZire]

...a left wing conveyor belt for propapanda and back patting, or group hugs, as it were.

What? No mention of the right wing conveyor belt for propaganda you ride in on every time you post? Congratulations, my friend, you have finallly goaded me into sticking you on my sparsely populated ignore list. It's been nice knowing you (sort of.)

Bye now.

 

[sr71plt]

What? No mention of the right wing conveyor belt for propaganda you ride in on every time you post? Congratulations, my friend, you have finallly goaded me into sticking you on my sparsely populated ignore list. It's been nice knowing you (sort of.)

Bye now.

What? You bothered to read Amicus's postings to this thread?

 

[amicus]

Hey, Hay! JBJ! How many Iggies did you get today?(with apologies to LBJ & the Vietname war protestors)

Amicus...at least the second or third most ignored on the forum.

 

[driphoney]

A pleasure to make your acquaintance, Driphoney, but I must confess, I am not certain just what point you were making.

Other than the AH, and the submissions page, when I post a story, I, personally have not explored Literotica beyond that and do not care to.

To condense what I posted before, there is a 'clique' here that desires to remain the motive force of this particular forum by moving those in opposition to a manageable space and I object to that.

It pops up now and again, like acne, thus one treats it.

Amicus...

You don't want any part of the AH (or the political part, anyway) segmented out, but the AH is already segmented. Just because this is the only part of this larger web-site that you visit, so therefore, is the whole Lit world to you, doesn't mean it is, so to argue your case that to suggest separating out the politics in this one forum on the larger BB just amused me.

And, just so you understand this is not motivated by yours or anyone elses political motives, I don't read the political threads, well, unless they look amusing and you would never guess my politics, this isn't the place I come to ponder that. It just seems, and maybe it's just because we came off a big politcal year here in the US, that political threads sometimes so dominate the AH that is feels like a political forum. Sorry my point was lost.

And I do think SR wins his point. No one besides the political hacks would visit a political forum and it would defeat the purpose of those who need an audience for their daily ponderings.

In the grand scheme of things, this isn't that big a deal. The other day a Lost Boy related his childhood story to a class of mine. At 9 years old he lost his parents and survived the wilderness and the dessert walking hundreds of miles, licking leaves in the morning for hydration, living in camps, going truly hungry. My working-class neighbors are losing their home after a serious battle with cancer. Ten young children just drank washer fluid.

This here ain't nuthin' but a thang ...

Perspective.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There is a GLBT forum here. And there's a general Board too, where Ami would be if he wasn't too damn pussy to show his face there-- he'd be swallowed up like the minnow he is.

 

[Guest]

There is a GLBT forum here. And there's a general Board too, where Ami would be if he wasn't too damn pussy to show his face there-- he'd be swallowed up like the minnow he is.

Same with JBJ.

The folks in the BDSM forum dealt with him for awhile.

I'd love to see both of them attempt their shit on the General Board.

Pussies, indeed.

 

[sr71plt]

Same with JBJ.

The folks in the BDSM forum dealt with him for awhile.

I'd love to see both of them attempt their shit on the General Board.

Pussies, indeed.

And LaJoke. Nearly everything he goes potal over should be in the GB, but they'd crucify him. (And, I understand, already did so, which is why he's gone for the softer target.)

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Holy crap. Well, I didn't expect this to go on and on after I left.

Phew. Have at it.

G'night.

 

[amicus]

Thank you for an interesting if not delightful response, I shall attempt to return the gesture in like manner.

Whether I explore Literotica to its fullness or not, is a non sequitur from my point of view, as is the 'segmented' or non segmented definition you apply.

But if my objection to the suggestion of separating the politics out amused you, then all the better; happy to be of service.

In regards to your second paragraph, the Forum has been, since I arrived, about five years ago, loaded with political threads, to the dismay of some, to the pleasure of others. And when I arrived, I expected to find what the name implied, an author's hangout. Instead I found a very tight clique of progressive liberals dominating a decidedly Bohemian agenda, which I did not and do not share or aspire to.

Your third paragraph, besmirching an author seeking an audience, is a bit edgy and somewhat mean spirited. Especially this one, as my entire adult professional life has been speaking and writing for others, an, 'audience', if you will. Unless you have the starving artists concept of a person only doing art for himself.

An audience does more than soothe an inflated ego; the response and feedback, even on 'writerly' issues that pop up now and again, allows one to expose one's efforts beyond self comprehension and even offers input occassionally that one might otherwise miss out on.

"In the grand scheme of things..." you wrote, and then went on to expose a portion of your soul and innermost thoughts and fears, exemplifies why I asserted that 'everything is political in nature'.

If, 'art', writing included, is the emotional side of man, then surely, 'politics', reflects the rational, thinking, logical side, and by that I imply, that one cannot exist without the other.

I would even go so far as to venture that this forum, of all the many venues available on Literotica, is by far the most complete and essential of them all.

The grand scheme and big picture are far more likely to arise in discussion here than, say, on the BDSM nook, if there be one.

If you insist it is 'perspective' only, then so be it, but acknowledge that other perspectives may hold equal weight; if you are the typical relativist who denies truth exists, then I can easily understand how this is just a 'thang', in your vocabulary.

As I ponder how to close this properly, your last, the description of 'lost boy', cancer, foreclosure, et cetera, comes to mind...and leaves me with the thought, is that how you see the world? The dark side...the bad things?

As, oh damn, spelling, Tia Leoni? the actress...in a doom and gloom asteroid movie, the name of which escapes me at the moment...said, "I always thought the world was neither good nor bad but was what we made it?" At least I think it was from that film.

Regards...

Amicus...

 

[driphoney]

Thank you for an interesting if not delightful response, I shall attempt to return the gesture in like manner.

Whether I explore Literotica to its fullness or not, is a non sequitur from my point of view, as is the 'segmented' or non segmented definition you apply.

But if my objection to the suggestion of separating the politics out amused you, then all the better; happy to be of service.

In regards to your second paragraph, the Forum has been, since I arrived, about five years ago, loaded with political threads, to the dismay of some, to the pleasure of others. And when I arrived, I expected to find what the name implied, an author's hangout. Instead I found a very tight clique of progressive liberals dominating a decidedly Bohemian agenda, which I did not and do not share or aspire to.

Your third paragraph, besmirching an author seeking an audience, is a bit edgy and somewhat mean spirited. Especially this one, as my entire adult professional life has been speaking and writing for others, an, 'audience', if you will. Unless you have the starving artists concept of a person only doing art for himself.

An audience does more than soothe an inflated ego; the response and feedback, even on 'writerly' issues that pop up now and again, allows one to expose one's efforts beyond self comprehension and even offers input occassionally that one might otherwise miss out on.

"In the grand scheme of things..." you wrote, and then went on to expose a portion of your soul and innermost thoughts and fears, exemplifies why I asserted that 'everything is political in nature'.

If, 'art', writing included, is the emotional side of man, then surely, 'politics', reflects the rational, thinking, logical side, and by that I imply, that one cannot exist without the other.

I would even go so far as to venture that this forum, of all the many venues available on Literotica, is by far the most complete and essential of them all.

The grand scheme and big picture are far more likely to arise in discussion here than, say, on the BDSM nook, if there be one.

If you insist it is 'perspective' only, then so be it, but acknowledge that other perspectives may hold equal weight; if you are the typical relativist who denies truth exists, then I can easily understand how this is just a 'thang', in your vocabulary.

As I ponder how to close this properly, your last, the description of 'lost boy', cancer, foreclosure, et cetera, comes to mind...and leaves me with the thought, is that how you see the world? The dark side...the bad things?

As, oh damn, spelling, Tia Leoni? the actress...in a doom and gloom asteroid movie, the name of which escapes me at the moment...said, "I always thought the world was neither good nor bad but was what we made it?" At least I think it was from that film.

Regards...

Amicus...

You're good, I'll give you that. You've got me all twisted up in knots and doubting my sanity. So, do you win any converts? Do your arguments not only win the debate, but sway opinion? I always thought that was the main point of debate was not just debate for debates sake, or to just hurt others or to puff ourselves up, but to actually persuade.

I have some pretty strongly held, non-politically correct, positions and since I can put my foot in my mouth regularly and my positions are so dear, I'm very careful when and how I bring those opinions out because they are so important to me. I would never want to drive anyone further away from my position, I would never want it all to become just a word-war because then I have lost my case completely and probably never get that opporunity back.

I think debate is a healthy thing, and I strongly believe in the freedom of speech. I'm glad that all opinions are allowed here and no one is censored. I'm sorry I came across as a brat, and I really was without realizing it, but you come across as condescending and I suppose that pushed my buttons and pretty soon my twisted sarcasm came out.

We are speaking on two different levels and I can't keep up, so I guess it's time to call it a night.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Same with JBJ.

The folks in the BDSM forum dealt with him for awhile.

I'd love to see both of them attempt their shit on the General Board.

Pussies, indeed.

PLEEEEZ

The General Board is pretty tame. And the BDSM folks are a herd of posers.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DRIPHONEY

When I washed up on shore at AH I immediately discovered that the Usual Suspects dislike any and all alternative opinions. I stepped in it with a contrary opinion about grammar. So the whining about politics and current events is a red herring. If you disagree with STELLA her flying monkeys fling poo at you (they share a pair of testicles....like the witches share an eye in MACBETH). They IGNORE everyone but always seem to know what everyone posts.

SR71PLT is a disgruntled eunuch. He'd be king if he had two.

AMICUS keeps the vampires under control. They hate him because his posts are lucid and coherent and civil....which is like garlic, holy water, and wood stakes to them.

And I dislike everyone, like Drill Sergeant Hartman of FULL METAL JACKET.

Here he describes the Usual Suspects: http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds...l_Metal_Jacket&quote=pukes.txt&file=pukes.wav