A question on plugs

[hisgypsy]

How long have any one of you kept a butt plug in? For just a little while? For long extended periods and if so, did you enjoy it?

I'm not big on telling everyone my private life, but if anyone will understand, it will be you here on this board.

It started last night when we went to bed early. He told me to lay back and relax, and spent nearly an hour giving me the massage of my life. It was wonderful, I was totally relaxed and thoroughly enjoying it. He then tied my hands and feet to the headboard/footboard, which is not unusual. Then he explained why. Without going into detail, I can be quite forgetful at times. One particular thing I keep forgetting to do, and I know it's a problem, but I still always forget. And it is major, I won't argue that fact. I just didn't know he realized I'd done it again.

After having been so relaxed, a belt really wakes you up. We have lots of toys, and he picked out a butt plug and put it in, then told me I could sleep with it in all night. I've never kept one in all night, and slept terribly. And when I woke up, I got the pleasure of being over his knee. I'm tired this morning, and he wouldn't let me have an orgasm last night, or this morning, either, even though he did. And I'm to keep the plug in all day, too, although I can remove it for obvious reasons if necessary, then put it back in.

By tonight, I am absolutely sure he will have made his point. It's one thing to use a plug for enjoyment, quite another as punishment and for such a long time. I guess I'm just tired and cranky right now and being a bit of a whiner, which I certainly can't do at home right now. And yes, I deserved it, but still it seems like a very long time to keep one in.

 

[Adakgirl]

If you are experienced at wearing butt pugs for long periods of time, you should be fine. That is something that needs to be done in stages then work your way into wearing it longer and longer though. If your buttplug is not huge and if it is well made with no sharp edges, and has a flare at the base so it wont go all the way in, then it should not cause you harm. If you feel pain or have any sign of bleeding take it out immediately.

I do agree it is a very long time to keep one in. In my opinion it is too long unless you are used to it.. I am not going to suggest you disobey your Dominant . But if you decide to remove it, call him and tell him you are going to removing it and why.

I believe a submissive should have the common sense and the freedom to remove anything from her/his body or stop doing something if they feel it may damage them or injure them. Your ass will be sore and you will be very uncomfortable but it should not hurt you. Punishments tend to be uncomfortable.

Next time tell him when you don't do something that you know your supposed to do but have forgotten. Don't let him discover you haven't on his own, it makes things much worse. Or better yet, just don't forget. I'll bet you never forget to do it again. As you know that's what punishments are for.

 

[FantaSeaGirl]

While I have much less experience than Adakgirl and others here on Lit I feel that I have an opinion or suggest in regard to this sort of punishment.

It was a topic for discussion for me once before and for some reason the idea has stuck in my head.

I believe in punishment and I do not believe that a PYL needs to be constant presence to ensure it is carried out. However, the idea of leaving you for a day with a plug in or nipple clamps on to me slaps of having not thought said punishment through.

I now have an expectation that a pyl will not be punished in any way that is a first for the pyl while their PYL is absent. Sure, if you have worn a but plug before for 4 hours and your PYL is going out of the house for 4 hours then that is perfectly within the parameters. Or if a pyl is ordered to wear clamps until they believe it is harmful & at such time they are encouraged to call their PYL for permission to remove them. But to be ordered to try and achieve something physical that is so far outside previous experience without the PYL being present (either physically or as a result of express order that they be kept updated through the day) to me does not seem safe.

I believe a submissive should have the common sense and the freedom to remove anything from her/his body or stop doing something if they feel it may damage them or injure them. Your ass will be sore and you will be very uncomfortable but it should not hurt you. Punishments tend to be uncomfortable.

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I agree with this. It is perhaps why I feel so strongly about what I said above. IF a pyl feels they are in some way being damaged, they should remove the item. However many would be unwilling to do so in case they are seen a letting their PYL down.

Hisgypsy: I know that you didn't mention that you felt you were being harmed, and you didn't imply that you would be unable to reach your PYL to seek permission to remove the plug if you felt you needed to and as such my post is not directly related to your question .. more just a rambling....

 

[HarlotMinx]

Took a bit of searching but Doc Johnson makes a awesome buttplug for long term use. It's called "Pretty Ends", it has two nice features that make it comfortable with long term use. The flare at the base isn't solid but rather a bendable disk that will fold comfortably between your cheek, also the buttplug seems to be at least partially filled with air so it's fairly squishy in the ass. One of the things I hate about wearing them long term is that they're so damn firm.

 

[christian1971]

I agree with the others above about keeping a plug in to long. The longest I kept one in was 4 hours but I took it out to add more lube also go from a med to a large. And thats with walking around the apartment and sitting on the computer or watching TV.

I've read in other threads and sites that do say if not a good idea to keep one in to long since there no natural lubircant can it can get dry and it's not good to let it get to dry. I would think 4 hours is the limit with removal and reapplying lub.

 

[Adakgirl]

Nipple clamps are a different thing altogether and should never be left on for long periods of time. Never all night or all day or even an hour at a time.
It is not recommended that you leave nipple clamps on for more than 15/20 minutes at a time, longer than that tissue damage can occur. This is with most clamps. I think (not sure on this) they make ones that can be worn safely for longer.

 

[hisgypsy]

Thanks everyone for your comments. I survived with no problems! I failed to mention that it was a small one and yes, I am used to wearing one for a few hours at a time, but this was the longest, and yes, lubricant was added as needed.

I've come down with a horrible cold and this is the first time I've been back on here since Friday. He relented and let me take it out in the afternoon, but only after i assured him his point had been made. It may not have been the ideal punishment, but if it works, then it did the job, I guess.

Personally, if given the choice in punishments (which I rarely am), I would always prefer an OTK spanking.

 

[mediocre]

LOL @ submissives being given choice of punishments.

Sorry. Made me giggle.

 

[Adakgirl]

Why would that make you giggle? I have been given a choice not "of " punishments but between (one or the other) them many times.

 

[NALA CAYENNE]

Why would that make you giggle? I have been given a choice not "of " punishments but between (one or the other) them many times.

I think I've been pretty lucky in that I haven't been punished too much (way less than I probably should be actually) but given a choice of punishments either way? I wish!

 

[mary63]

am i the only one?

i think this is an exciting idea of a fun way to be punished...i bet you thought of him and it all night and day didn`t you? i also love the idea that you had to give him an orgasm and wait for yours...lol..i love it!

 

[mediocre]

Why would that make you giggle? I have been given a choice not "of " punishments but between (one or the other) them many times.

Just not my style to do that. I found it amusing. *Shrugs*

 

[mediocre]

I think I've been pretty lucky in that I haven't been punished too much (way less than I probably should be actually) but given a choice of punishments either way? I wish!

This, I can believe.

 

[hisgypsy]

i think this is an exciting idea of a fun way to be punished...i bet you thought of him and it all night and day didn`t you? i also love the idea that you had to give him an orgasm and wait for yours...lol..i love it!

It sounds a little better than the reality of it, I've always liked wearing one, and still will, but never for that length of time. It was meant as a punishment, and so far has worked. Ask me again in a few weeks on that.

I'm never allowed to orgasm without permission, can't say it doesn't happen sometimes, though. He deals with it by denying me once or twice...which stinks and makes me try that much harder the next time.

 

[Harmony_1985]

Why would that make you giggle? I have been given a choice not "of " punishments but between (one or the other) them many times.

Sir often asks me what he should do with me.

My response is usually along the lines of "I don't know".

 

[NALA CAYENNE]

This, I can believe.

Well that's not a very nice thing to say I'm telling Daddy on you (Though I'm sure he'd agree with you)

 

[Homburg]

Just not my style to do that. I found it amusing. *Shrugs*

Yup. Then again, I'm not "into" punishment. It happens, sure, but some people get off on it. Not my thing.

I have two guidelines with punishment. the first is that it should not happen when I am still ticked off. The second is that it will not be an activity that I enjoy, nor one that she enjoys. People talk about not wanting the sub turned on during a punishment, and, frankly, I don't want it either. I should not enjoy because *I* fucked up too. If she failed to please me or follow my rules, I am as much at fault for allowing it to happen or not making my desires in the matter clear.

Back on topic, I knew a girl that used to wear a plug for 24 hours one day, then a dildo in her pussy the next 24 hours, alternating. She had no problems from it last I'd heard. Not sure what sizes she used, nor how she worked up to that (if at all). It just her normal practice, per the rules she followed.

 

[NALA CAYENNE]

Yup. Then again, I'm not "into" punishment. It happens, sure, but some people get off on it. Not my thing.

I have two guidelines with punishment. the first is that it should not happen when I am still ticked off. The second is that it will not be an activity that I enjoy, nor one that she enjoys. People talk about not wanting the sub turned on during a punishment, and, frankly, I don't want it either. I should not enjoy because *I* fucked up too. If she failed to please me or follow my rules, I am as much at fault for allowing it to happen or not making my desires in the matter clear.
Back on topic, I knew a girl that used to wear a plug for 24 hours one day, then a dildo in her pussy the next 24 hours, alternating. She had no problems from it last I'd heard. Not sure what sizes she used, nor how she worked up to that (if at all). It just her normal practice, per the rules she followed.

Master has said that to me on quite a few occasions. I may sound a bit naive here but I always wondered how it was his fault also until he explained it just like you did. Nice to hear it from another angle.

 

[Homburg]

Master has said that to me on quite a few occasions. I may sound a bit naive here but I always wondered how it was his fault also until he explained it just like you did. Nice to hear it from another angle.

I like to use the example of dog training when I get questioned on this. It's not a perfect example, and can be degrading in some people's eyes, but bear with me.

There are very, very few bad dogs. There are far too many bad owners. Most of the "bad" dogs you see out there started out just fine and were ruined by the asshats that failed to teach and socialise the dog, or, worse, purposefully screwed the dog up. Most dogs will be loyal, genial creatures that simply want to be part of your pack, be useful, and be loved.

People are the same way. There's a greater incidence of actually naturally bad people than naturally bad dogs, but we just aren't going to be as good as dogs. We're not that advanced. Anyway, most of the "bad" people out there are the result of parents and authority figures not teaching them and socialising them correctly.

While I don't see my role as a dominant to be some sort of ex post facto parent/teacher, I do see that I have a duty to properly socialise my human chattel at least to conform properly to my whims. I'm not trying to better my chattel, or "train" them, but I do need to make sure they know what I want, what I expect, and how best to achieve those ends. If they make a mistake that ticks me off, I am at least partially at fault because somewhere along the line, I failed to communicate or educate. I either did not properly explain my expectations and attendant consequences, or I failed to make sure that she knew how to carry out whatever duties I expect.

So this is why I take ownership of some of that fault as well. If I discharged my duty as fully as I expect her to, there should not have been an error. This assumes that honest errors, plain old "Shit, I tripped" mistakes, and the like are not going to be fodder for an actual blow-up. This is another excuse that punishment-fetishists use to inflict cruelty. I prefer my cruelty to be baseless, and thus guilt-free for both parties. It's a style thing.

It probably has something to do with coming up as an Army Brat. If a soldier fucks up solidly, his command catches it too, as they are responsible for the actions of that soldier. Better training and indoctrination may well have prevented that fuck-up, etc.

 

[NALA CAYENNE]

Thank you for taking the time to explain it this way. It makes more sense to me now

I like to use the example of dog training when I get questioned on this. It's not a perfect example, and can be degrading in some people's eyes, but bear with me.

There are very, very few bad dogs. There are far too many bad owners. Most of the "bad" dogs you see out there started out just fine and were ruined by the asshats that failed to teach and socialise the dog, or, worse, purposefully screwed the dog up. Most dogs will be loyal, genial creatures that simply want to be part of your pack, be useful, and be loved.

People are the same way. There's a greater incidence of actually naturally bad people than naturally bad dogs, but we just aren't going to be as good as dogs. We're not that advanced. Anyway, most of the "bad" people out there are the result of parents and authority figures not teaching them and socialising them correctly.

While I don't see my role as a dominant to be some sort of ex post facto parent/teacher, I do see that I have a duty to properly socialise my human chattel at least to conform properly to my whims. I'm not trying to better my chattel, or "train" them, but I do need to make sure they know what I want, what I expect, and how best to achieve those ends. If they make a mistake that ticks me off, I am at least partially at fault because somewhere along the line, I failed to communicate or educate. I either did not properly explain my expectations and attendant consequences, or I failed to make sure that she knew how to carry out whatever duties I expect.

So this is why I take ownership of some of that fault as well. If I discharged my duty as fully as I expect her to, there should not have been an error. This assumes that honest errors, plain old "Shit, I tripped" mistakes, and the like are not going to be fodder for an actual blow-up. This is another excuse that punishment-fetishists use to inflict cruelty. I prefer my cruelty to be baseless, and thus guilt-free for both parties. It's a style thing.

It probably has something to do with coming up as an Army Brat. If a soldier fucks up solidly, his command catches it too, as they are responsible for the actions of that soldier. Better training and indoctrination may well have prevented that fuck-up, etc.