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[michchick98]

blah, blah, blah, snort, gurgle

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[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

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[michchick98]

yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah

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[michchick98]

drool, snort, gurgle, yammer, blather, fart

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[sr71plt]

*snerk*

Is it just me, or do Scouries' posts seem normal compared to some of the recent flames here?

I never thought that I would use Scouries and normal in the same sentence. I have got to get out more.

Yep, I noticed that. Decided the Scouries personality just latched into cause and effect better and quicker than Freddie and Sarahh have.

 

[sr71plt]

Unless you own a publishing company, as does Selena, and she's smart to do that, how does a writer know the sales the publisher gives him, especially with Internet E-books that are unregulated, if those numbers are correct? You don't. You're relying on them. I couldn't help but feel they were playing the game of 1 for him and 2 for me.

This indeed is an endemic issue in book publishing, and has been ever since publishing became a big business--and goes all the way through the ranks to bestselling authors. And when you get past print runs completely controlled by the publisher, even the publisher has to rely on the honesty and record keeping of distributors for sales records. Even press-printed book publishers have always been an accounting problem, because the department they always shortchange is accounting--counting on bad data collection almost always working in the publisher's favor. To counter this, the authors who can make these demands send their own accountants to check the publisher's books periodically. Indeed, mainstream publishers will have a clause in their contracts with authors giving authors this right. (But they can only go by the figures given and the acknowledged print-run numbers--which the printer is supposed to provide independently.)

The problem has burgeoned with print-on-demand books and e-books, because they can be (and probably often are) produced and distributed without the publisher seeing any figures the distributor doesn't pass on to them. When Fictionwise is filling an order on an e-book, for instance, the publisher only knows about it if Fictionwise includes that unit in it's sales reports. Likewise, if a POD book is ordered through Amazon.com, it's being printed and provided directly by Lightingsource and the publisher only gets numbers as reported by Amazon and Lightingsource.

So, just about everyone is in the same "take it on faith" boat on sales accounting. And very few author cut their throats over it--especially ones who claim they are just writing for the fun of it and don't need the money.


Hi Freddie--wanted you to know I have an M/F work releasing tomorrow on eXcessica. It's an expansion of the M/F work I have posted here at Lit. titled Blue Roses Tattoo. Do visit eXcessica and enjoy that launching with the rest of us.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

This indeed is an endemic issue in book publishing, and has been ever since publishing became a big business--and goes all the way through the ranks to bestselling authors. And when you get past print runs completely controlled by the publisher, even the publisher has to rely on the honesty and record keeping of distributors for sales records. Even press-printed book publishers have always been an accounting problem, because the department they always shortchange is accounting--counting on bad data collection almost always working in the publisher's favor. To counter this, the authors who can make these demands send their own accountants to check the publisher's books periodically. Indeed, mainstream publishers will have a clause in their contracts with authors giving authors this right. (But they can only go by the figures given and the acknowledged print-run numbers--which the printer is supposed to provide independently.)

The problem has burgeoned with print-on-demand books and e-books, because they can be (and probably often are) produced and distributed without the publisher seeing any figures the distributor doesn't pass on to them. When Fictionwise is filling an order on an e-book, for instance, the publisher only knows about it if Fictionwise includes that unit in it's sales reports. Likewise, if a POD book is ordered through Amazon.com, it's being printed and provided directly by Lightingsource and the publisher only gets numbers as reported by Amazon and Lightingsource.

So, just about everyone is in the same "take it on faith" boat on sales accounting. And very few author cut their throats over it--especially ones who claim they are just writing for the fun of it and don't need the money.


Hi Freddie--wanted you to know I have an M/F work releasing tomorrow on eXcessica. It's an expansion of the M/F work I have posted here at Lit. titled Blue Roses Tattoo. Do visit eXcessica and enjoy that launching with the rest of us.

Sorry, to disappoint you, Drone, but the reason why I could pull the books is because I don't need the money...duh!

By the way, nothing about jet planes today? Oh, and what about my imaginary post where I wrote about how to publish erotica? Where is that post?

You enjoy throwing shit against the wall, but you can't support anything. You just hope that something will stick to redirect the argument away from you, especially when you are caught in one of your lies.

 

[CharleyH]

I think in light of the incriminating evidence volunteered by PrincessAirHead in a nasty PM to me, we should all put her on ignore. She made a sham of the contest and I see she has registered again this year. Is she hoping to cheat her way to another win and take money away from a contestant who deserves it and who hasn't cheated. This behavior needs to stop.

It's bad enough that she cheated, but then to admit it and to flaunt it is just wrong.

I agree with Scouries that these contests are a sham and a shame. This could be such a wonderful site for writers. We need to rid the site of people, such as PrincessAirHead who she thinks she can get away with whatever. Did she have her special needs students help her to write stories during their lunch period? Have you read some of her 750 word masterpieces, I think she did.

You quote yourself? ROFLOL Why?

 

[michchick98]

You quote yourself? ROFLOL Why?

Because he's the only one who believes any of the drivel he spouts. Well, scourahh does too, but maybe he figures if he yells long enough and loud enough someone will pay attention to him.

What he doesn't realize is that he's been crying about the same shit for well over a year now and it's still gotten him nowhere. It just shows everyone who reads his posts what he's really like.

 

[Guest]

Hi, it’s Gabby again and here’s the ScouriesWorld figures for February:

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Monthly recap for February plus 2009 Y.T.D. sales and vote figures​

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February was a very gratifying month for ScouriesWorld as both sales and votes were excellent. All of us wish to take this opportunity to humbly thank the thousands of readers who chose one of the boss’s works this month. And a special thanks to those of you who took the extra time to vote and/or send him a comment.

Sales February 2009: 202,707

Total Sales YTD: 455,295

Votes February 2009: 1839

Total Votes YTD: 3727

Highlights of the month:

* “Oh Mommy,” I Groaned, the #1 scouries story in terms of total sales has now gone over the million and a half sales mark and has moved up to #19 on the All-Time sales list.

* “Daddy,” I whispered, the Most Voted On story and the Most Commented On story in site history, now has received over 15,500 votes.

* The ScouriesWorld thread continued as the number one thread on LITEROTICA.

* The Literotica 100+ Comment Club, a joint effort of ScouriesWorld and Literotica was inaugurated in February and can be found in the Story Feedback forum. The wonderful sarahhh has been a great help in bringing this project to fruition.

* Charlies Naked Proposal Ch. 1 became the 27th scouries story to achieve best seller status (six figure sales).

* Gayle’s Dad became the tenth scouries story to accumulate 1000+ votes, an accomplishment only one other author in the history of the site has achieved. Two others of the boss’s stories are approaching the 1000 vote barrier.

* We’ve been working hard this past month making preparations for the March Miami Writing Seminars. ScouriesWorld has sold out the series and we hope that the bosses teachings will lead to a big improvement in writing quality on the site.

* The boss is presently hard at work putting the finishing touches on three new stories, all of which hopefully will debut in March.

Thanks everyone, have a great March (and we’re looking forward to seeing many of you at the seminars),

Bye for now, [size=+2]Gabrielle L.[/size]

 

[scouries]

QUOTE sarahhh The only good Panther is a Pitt Panther.

Now that seems a little extreme. However, we do like the Pitt Panthers since our favorite DOLPHIN Dan the Man was (according to Wikipedia):

Born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, of Italian and Polish ancestry. He attended St. Regis Catholic Elementary School before going to Central Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, where he also started in baseball, and won Parade All-American honors in football. As a high school ball player, Marino hit high school highs by throwing up to 95 mph. He was drafted by the Kansas City Royals baseball team in the 1979 amateur draft, but decided to play college football instead.

Marino played college football at the University of Pittsburgh from the 1979 to the 1982 season… He led the Panthers to a last-minute triumph over the Georgia Bulldogs in the 1982 Sugar Bowl by throwing the game-winning pass to tight end John Brown with less than a minute remaining, a play that is considered among the greatest in Pittsburgh sports history.

Then he became a [size=+2]Dolphin[/size] and the rest is history.

However, we are getting a little nervous about our hockey

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P a n t h e r s

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I’m james r scouries and I like the Panthers…

[size=+2]the Dolphins worship Dan the Man…[/size]

 

[sr71plt]

Thanks for the posts, freshface. I trust that you, like me, would be quite pleased for the Web site administrators to match up the alts running on this thread and post them.

 

[scouries]

QUOTE freshface I never thought that I would use Scouries and normal in the same sentence…

I’m not sure you should have. Instead may I suggest you use scouries with brilliant or wonderful or insightful or helpful or informative or sexy or…

And please sir or madam, don’t join those who have attacked my friend [size=+2]freddie[/size]. He’s a kind person, a great storyteller and a loving dog owner.

jim

 

[sarahhh]

Where did I use the term "real publisher"? We'll start from there on question 1. When we're dealing with what I posted, let's deal with what I posted.

On 2. They aren't distinct; they overlap. There is some erotica in the mainstream. It's in print, though (the answer to that second part is that the mainstream defines what's in the mainstream--and the mainstream doesn't like electronic, so it defines anything primarily distributed in e-book form as out of the mainstream). And most of the erotica in the mainstream is peddled as something else--romance or literary fiction or science fiction, for instance. The mainstream is a bit prudish.

What, did you wake up on the good side of the bed today? Or was that good cop/bad cop?

You know, habu, I agree with almost everything you said in what I quoted. But the part about you co-authoring a Bible studies book is beyond unbelievable. I’d really like to read your book on publishing, but the thought of reading your book on Bible studies totally turns me on. Hey, I’m giving it up on my erotica e-book. Quid pro quo, dude. I’d rather talk about the Bible than I would anything else. So when we get bored with publishing, do you want to play Bible questions? Not trivia, real stuff. You can ask the first question, or get the first question, your choice.

Okay, question #2 for those who can’t tell was: 2. What is the distinction between erotica and mainstream books (e-book or print), and who makes that distinction?

Like I said, I think I agree with you, habu, but let me ask you this:

Suppose you had a novel all ready to get published (like me, right now) as possibly an e-book, and it could be classified as either erotica or mainstream, which would you make it, and why?

And as far as question #1 about a “real” publisher goes, yeah you said it, but that’s probably too nebulous a term to pin it down, so forget it. I mean, even Selena said she doesn’t know what a “real” publisher is, other than she’s not one, so let’s take more specific terminology you have used, like:

Self-published print-on-demand

I suspect you’d have difficulty finding any in print book mentioned anywhere on Literotica that doesn’t fit into that category. Of course, the "Literotica Authors and Their Books (For Literotica Authors ONLY) is the first place to look. And if you look hard enough, you might find my erotica e-book, even though that’s not what you’re looking for.

 

[sarahhh]

You quote yourself? ROFLOL Why?

Why would he quote somebody stupid? Like you. I'll show you how to quote somebody intelligent. Stay tuned.

 

[sarahhh]

The only good Panther is a Pitt Panther. Your Panthers at the Caps today. Yeah, I hope you kick the crap out of Ovechkin, but lose. If you do, and the Pens beat the Stars, we'll be tied. But like I said yesterday, I think we'll both make the playoffs, although the Pens will finish with a better record. Which means you would have lost the bet, had you made it, but you were too smart for that. I mean, look what you had to give me when the Steelers won the Super Bowl and your Dolphins . . . well, there was incredible improvement. But I'll always love Dolphins for beating out the Pats for the playoffs.

Now listen, Jim, I think you should thank Selena_Kitt, sr71plt, michchick98, and Safe_Bet for keeping ScouriesWorld going full throttle last nite while you, Freddie, and I partied. Does Saturday nite duty on ScouriesWorld get overtime pay?

Yeah, the Panthers won, and so did the Pens.

This Thursday nite, Pens at Panthers. We really should make a bet, Jim. But I want those gold coins you hide under your bed, not that I looked. Fuck those green bills you tried to pass off on me with kittens on them instead of presidents. What's up with 3 1/2 dollar bills?

Obviosulee I was imbibing in certain beverages while I was watching the Pens game. Some dude bought me a beer that said on the label on the back, "It's ok to be bitter." Reminded me of the kittens. Do you know what beer that is? Yeah, yeah, I know, you drink that expensive champagne.

 

[sarahhh]

QUOTE sarahhh The only good Panther is a Pitt Panther.

Now that seems a little extreme. However, we do like the Pitt Panthers since our favorite DOLPHIN Dan the Man was (according to Wikipedia):

Born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, of Italian and Polish ancestry. He attended St. Regis Catholic Elementary School before going to Central Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, where he also started in baseball, and won Parade All-American honors in football. As a high school ball player, Marino hit high school highs by throwing up to 95 mph. He was drafted by the Kansas City Royals baseball team in the 1979 amateur draft, but decided to play college football instead.

Marino played college football at the University of Pittsburgh from the 1979 to the 1982 season… He led the Panthers to a last-minute triumph over the Georgia Bulldogs in the 1982 Sugar Bowl by throwing the game-winning pass to tight end John Brown with less than a minute remaining, a play that is considered among the greatest in Pittsburgh sports history.

Then he became a [size=+2]Dolphin[/size] and the rest is history.

However, we are getting a little nervous about our hockey

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P a n t h e r s

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I’m james r scouries and I like the Panthers…

[size=+2]the Dolphins worship Dan the Man…[/size]

Dude, why the fuck would you consult Wikipedia when you can get the straight skinny from me?

If the Steelers wouldn't have drafted Gabe Rivera in that draft when we could have had Marino, we'd have 10 Super Bowl rings instead of 6.

Your Dolphins better trade your best players to the Lions so they can win more games than they did last season. You know, because girls from Michigan are so angry about something these days.

 

[sarahhh]

QUOTE freshface I never thought that I would use Scouries and normal in the same sentence…

I’m not sure you should have. Instead may I suggest you use scouries with brilliant or wonderful or insightful or helpful or informative or sexy or…

And please sir or madam, don’t join those who have attacked my friend [size=+2]freddie[/size]. He’s a kind person, a great storyteller and a loving dog owner.

jim

So Jim, how many posts do I need to catch cloudy?

I'm in one of those psycho-bitch obsessive-compulsive-posting moods.

 

[bsergi1]

[personal info prohibited per our forum guidelines]. Continued violation will result in account suspension.

Do you think it would be ok with the forum guidelines to copy a PM that I received and paste it to a new PM that I send to another person? Maybe I can just Forward my PM to another person's PM? Is that against the forum guidlines? Is sharing information and ok thing to do?

 

[sr71plt]

Suppose you had a novel all ready to get published (like me, right now) as possibly an e-book, and it could be classified as either erotica or mainstream, which would you make it, and why?

If I could get a mainstream publisher to take it, they would decide how it was targeted and I'd just nod my head and sign my checks.

If it could be classified as erotica and I couldn't get a mainstream publisher to take it, I'd put it out as an e-book--consistent with the thirty-six times I've aserted here that the target audience for erotica prefers e-books (if for no other reason than where would most readers shelve such a book in their house?--most are closet readers. That's certainly why I haven't ordered any of my own erotica in print form).

Self-published print-on-demand

I suspect you’d have difficulty finding any in print book mentioned anywhere on Literotica that doesn’t fit into that category. Of course, the "Literotica Authors and Their Books (For Literotica Authors ONLY) is the first place to look. And if you look hard enough, you might find my erotica e-book, even though that’s not what you’re looking for.

"Self-published print-on-demand" is something different from either "self-published" or "print on demand"

The first is what you did with your sports novel four years ago. When you separate them, one is contentious and the other is now pretty benign.

First, for the thirty-seventh time now, most erotica these days is e-booked. And it isn't self-published. I'm not self-published with eXcessica--I don't have the say that one of my submissions is going to be accepted, I don't pay a dime to have it published, and I don't distribute it. Most e-published erotica authors are just the same. There are some who are self-published to be sure, but the majority aren't.

This, of course, isn't included in the "self-published print-on-demand" term, but I keep trying to get you to realize that in the world of erotica, you (or if you want to maximize readers and profit) are mostly talking e-book. Thus, there's very little meaningful conversation to have, I hold, on the intersection of erotica and self-published print on demand.

"Self-publishing" isn't defined in terms of print, POD, or e-book. It's how it's produced and marketed, not the form in which it is produced and marketed. Self-published is a polite way of saying vanity press--no one but the author has chosen to produce it and the author figures out who is going to pay for it and the author is stuck with trying to unload it.

"Print on Demand" is simply a method of producing a book. It isn't ipso facto tied to "self-publishing." All of the mainstream publishers I work with use print-on-demand in some way (either for their back catalog or for subscribed specialty books being produced in small quantities). They just don't like to talk about it much, because in public they make jokes about POD, because the POD services are their competitors.

Bottom line, though. If it's being marketed as erotica, your greatest audience is looking for it in the e-book realm.

 

[sarahhh]

If I could get a mainstream publisher to take it, they would decide how it was targeted and I'd just nod my head and sign my checks.

If it could be classified as erotica and I couldn't get a mainstream publisher to take it, I'd put it out as an e-book--consistent with the thirty-six times I've aserted here that the target audience for erotica prefers e-books (if for no other reason than where would most readers shelve such a book in their house?--most are closet readers. That's certainly why I haven't ordered any of my own erotica in print form).



"Self-published print-on-demand" is something different from either "self-published" or "print on demand"

The first is what you did with your sports novel four years ago. When you separate them, one is contentious and the other is now pretty benign.

First, for the thirty-seventh time now, most erotica these days is e-booked. And it isn't self-published. I'm not self-published with eXcessica--I don't have the say that one of my submissions is going to be accepted, I don't pay a dime to have it published, and I don't distribute it. Most e-published erotica authors are just the same. There are some who are self-published to be sure, but the majority aren't.

This, of course, isn't included in the "self-published print-on-demand" term, but I keep trying to get you to realize that in the world of erotica, you (or if you want to maximize readers and profit) are mostly talking e-book. Thus, there's very little meaningful conversation to have, I hold, on the intersection of erotica and self-published print on demand.

"Self-publishing" isn't defined in terms of print, POD, or e-book. It's how it's produced and marketed, not the form in which it is produced and marketed. Self-published is a polite way of saying vanity press--no one but the author has chosen to produce it and the author figures out who is going to pay for it and the author is stuck with trying to unload it.

"Print on Demand" is simply a method of producing a book. It isn't ipso facto tied to "self-publishing." All of the mainstream publishers I work with use print-on-demand in some way (either for their back catalog or for subscribed specialty books being produced in small quantities). They just don't like to talk about it much, because in public they make jokes about POD, because the POD services are their competitors.

Bottom line, though. If it's being marketed as erotica, your greatest audience is looking for it in the e-book realm.

You are a total load of shit. I'm through being nice to you.

 

[sarahhh]

[personal info prohibited per our forum guidelines]. Continued violation will result in account suspension.

"They" played you, Freddie. Princess is one of the alts. She sent you that so you would react as you did, which would be the reaction of most normal persons, so they could threaten to ban you, and soon "they" probably will.

 

[sr71plt]

You are a total load of shit. I'm through being nice to you.

Oh? I gave quite straightforward--and correct, I think--answers to your questions--exactly what I think any publishing consultant would give you.

I can't possibly figure out how less nice you can be to me, but I guess we'll be seeing that, as you obviously aren't going to recover from whatever is dryrotting you.

 

[sr71plt]

"They" played you, Freddie. Princess is one of the alts. She sent you that so you would react as you did, which would be the reaction of most normal persons, so they could threaten to ban you, and soon "they" probably will.

Oh? I assumed/assume she sent him something and he doctored it before posting it here. That's very much in his character (or lack of it).

Regardless, he acknowledged off the top he was posting contrary to the rules, so he was playing himself, surely (which also wouldn't be a first).

 

[sarahhh]

I don't have any other alts or identities here. There are those who state that I'm Positive Thinker, I'm not. I read his recent story and can understand why some would think that after her parodied me in his or her story. Whatever.

PositiveThinker is one of Selena's alts. That's how she plays this game.