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[sr71plt]

Actually, the sales rank gets worse, not better, after the first several months after the book is published. Mine was much better than it is now, way back when. I'll have to go check on what it was.

Yeah, at some point you need to stop ordering all those copies yourself to plump your numbers up--your garage will only hold so many of them if you can't unload them somehow. So naturally the ranking slips down.

But then, this hardly a revelation. The shelf life of any book, no matter what form it's produced in, is little more than a couple of initial weeks--barring ginning up of new interest in it (or the synergy of constantly putting out new ones and gaining new readers for the older books, as Selena does).

What Selena is referring to, though, is the longterm synergy of expanding authors/fanbases and offerings that constantly bring new readers/buyers to a publisher as it develops. (Not something that someone can do who self-publishes a one-off book as you did.)

Pointing to print unit sales alone, however, is a false construct (one you in your Scouries persona wallow in) anyway. A book's sales are by total units sold and/or total profit generated. I'll bet Selena's sales in both these views on just the e-book (generating higher author profit per unit than your self-published one does) she launched last week have already swamped your all-time total sales (in either sense of the word) on your one (low-profit) self-published paperback. She was smart enough to cost-efficiently go to the existing market; you weren't. That's one reason she has lots and lots of books out there in across-the-modes offerings and you've got just the one self-published, print-on-demand one that's four years old with nothing new to offer (and a constant drain on your pocketbook each time you reorder unloadable books from Amazon.com to plump up your Amazon ranking).

 

[Selena_Kitt]

That's one reason she has lots and lots of books out there in across-the-modes offerings and you've got just the one self-published, print-on-demand one that's four years old with nothing new to offer.

Even the "new" one of Spoutrahhh's - when and if it comes out, s/he's been squawking about publication since Jan '07, some book about angels and Harleys? - if it's coming out in print, will be the same deal. And four years after the first? Talk about a marketing disaster. Free story site fans are very different from print book fans, even if a few of your free story site fans will go buy your print book. And WAY more free story site fans would be willing to buy a cheaper ebook (where they already read online anyway!) than a print one.

 

[sarahhh]

I don't really know what the erotica profits are--because I don't claim any of them--you'd have to beat that number out of Selena.

Yeah, I bet you'd have to beat the info out of Selena. Kind of like the behind the scene machinations on this site.

You mean you're not making $5 per every book in print of yours sold?

Dude, she's publishing all those books via CreateSpace. You could do the same and get the $5 per book for yourself. It's so easy even a caveman (or scouries or BFW) could do it. Why, they even give you the ISBN.

Like you said, anybody can write a book and get it printed, but selling it is the hard part. You and Selena couldn't sell a blind man eyes. But hey, you keep spinning it and we'll all soon believe you're the Antichrist.

My book is not erotica as you erroneously assume, Ace. It's a mainstream novel. Nobody is going to make any real money off publishing erotica, e-books or in print. Although I do believe if scouries chose to publish his, he'd make more money than you or Selena. But then, I don't think he's all that concerned about money for gas for his yacht.

 

[sarahhh]

Even your comebacks lack originality, Selena.

I've read some of your stories, Selena, they suck. Trust me, you're not a better writer than me.

The difference between Ace and me, besides the obvious that he's gay and I'm not, is that I know my limitations. He believes the press releases he writes.

Ace thinks that we all want to follow in his footsteps. He thinks our ultimate dream is to write E-books that no one reads and no one buys. Good luck to him. Everyone should live their fantasy, even you two tossers.

I have better things to do than to argue with cyber personalities

Apparently, neither of you possess the creativity of our friend Scouries to entertain the masses for as long as he has. He's done a wonderful job to continue to attract the likes of you and to maintain your limited interest. You'd rather hang off his coattails, as you do mine and pretend that you are offended by everything he writes.

I feel your pain. There is help for you, don't despair. There is medication that you both can take for your illnesses. You don't have to suffer with mental illness and it is nothing to be ashamed about. Get help. Good luck with the make believe baby.

The above excerpts from BFW's post provide quite the accurate summary of what we are dealing with here.

Speaking of arguing with cyber personalities, what has been totally hilarious is Ace bitch fighting with cloudy on the one hand, and kissing Selena's ass on the other hand. Dude, they are the same person. Doh.

 

[Smarmy_and_Sappe]

Odd how Sarahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and Scurvies and Flabby all sound the same.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, I bet you'd have to beat the info out of Selena. Kind of like the behind the scene machinations on this site.

You mean you're not making $5 per every book in print of yours sold?

Dude, she's publishing all those books via CreateSpace. You could do the same and get the $5 per book for yourself. It's so easy even a caveman (or scouries or BFW) could do it. Why, they even give you the ISBN.

Like you said, anybody can write a book and get it printed, but selling it is the hard part. You and Selena couldn't sell a blind man eyes. But hey, you keep spinning it and we'll all soon believe you're the Antichrist.

My book is not erotica as you erroneously assume, Ace. It's a mainstream novel. Nobody is going to make any real money off publishing erotica, e-books or in print. Although I do believe if scouries chose to publish his, he'd make more money than you or Selena. But then, I don't think he's all that concerned about money for gas for his yacht.

Try to keep up, Sarahhhh. No, I don't take any profit on the erotica at all. My profits come from the mainstream books, which have an accountant--who handles all of my finances. I don't take any chances in revealing another line of writing to anyone--most especially my mainstream publisher. Like Freddie, I write these for fun.

If Selena wants to let you know how much profit has been taken off my erotica since it started less than a year ago, that's fine with me--if she isn't jiggling the books, it's a whole hell of a lot more than you are getting from your four-year-old self-published print-on-demand book. Fine with me if we compare profits. And I'm sure that what Selena has made off her books swamps what I have brought in. The only problem is that you couldn't be trusted to tell the truth about your profits. You've well established that on your posts to this forum.

And you are stuck on print books. Which is why you are stuck, losing money on a failed self-published book.

If you can't get a publisher for a nonerotic book, then you don't really got a book at all--you're just one of a whole pile of unwashed wannabes. As I noted before, you just didn't come up with the right answers when you researched your four-year-old self-publishing project.

Quite meaningful that you didn't address what was in my last posting hardly at all. Perhaps, though, you'll absorb some of it and not make the same mistakes you did again--if you should ever actually have another manuscript to peddle.

Funny those "they could if they wanted to" comments about Scouries. All just bunk and a bunch of gaseous blather until he tries it, right?

I see you struggling--and BFW has sort of faded out on me. I guess you two are beginning to think again about just dropping in on somebody's head with nasty innuendo.

As I said before, I think it's great to let the general reader see how you guys post.

 

[sr71plt]

My book is not erotica as you erroneously assume, Ace.

Well, I knew from your other writing that it wasn't erotic, but no, I didn't know that it wasn't meant to be erotica. In that case, why in the heck, woman, did you try to peddle it by offering free tit shots on the Internet? I mean, how desperate is that?

 

[michchick98]

Nobody is going to make any real money off publishing erotica, e-books or in print.

Why don't you tell that to authors like Lora Leigh or Sherrilyn Kenyon or Jaci Burton or Alison Kent or Lauren Dane or Jill Shalvis or Cheryl Holt or.....yeah, well you get the idea.

Although I do believe if scouries chose to publish his, he'd make more money than you or Selena. But then, I don't think he's all that concerned about money for gas for his yacht.

Actually, I don't think there's much of a demand for incest, so he's better off writing for this site and raking in the Monopoly money.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Nobody is going to make any real money off publishing erotica, e-books or in print. Although I do believe if scouries chose to publish his, he'd make more money than you or Selena. But then, I don't think he's all that concerned about money for gas for his yacht.

No, I'm quite sure his Monopoly money for the royalties he earns here pays for the gas for his invisible yacht.

Sr's estimation is correct. About both his profits, my profits, excessica's, erotic ebooks in general and erotic print books as well. eXcessica authors are laughing all the way to the bank. And there are a lot of erotic e-authors (exclusively so) who the IRS would seriously come after if they didn't declare their ebook income.

It's not Monopoly money, I assure you.

As for erotic print, it doesn't sell as well as E. Not even for the big e-houses. *shrug* I offered it through CreateSpace really just for the fun/experiment of it. Authors like to see their books in "real print."

But if you're writing erotica, E's the way to go, if you actually want to make cash.

And as for Spoutries publishing... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Besides, all he writes is incest. There is no e-pub out there who will accept it.

Aside from eXcessica. And I wouldn't take a Scouries story if HE paid ME... and I don't accept Monopoly money, anyway.

 

[sarahhh]

Funny those "they could if they wanted to" comments about Scouries. All just bunk and a bunch of gaseous blather until he tries it, right?

Like I said, I don't think scouries is all that interested in gas money for his yacht, or chump change in general.

Most of Selena's books are material she has posted here. Yes indeed, people are going to rush out and buy stuff they can get for free. Makes cents to me, and that's what I figure she's making.

Really, she should stick to running a porn site. That's profitable. Especially when you have wonderful authors like scouries and BFW making money for her, Although I think she's pissing them off lately.

Just imagine if she only had stories by her alts and you. Masturbation would no longer be your average American's favorite pastime, not to mention those European perverts et al.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Yes indeed, people are going to rush out and buy stuff they can get for free.

They sure do. The Internet's a big place. Lots of people who've never even heard of Lit show up to buy. New readers+huge backlist=cha-ching. Lots of people who come from Lit want to finish the series' I've offered here. Cha ching.

It works out quite well.

Like I said, I'll just keep cashing my real checks. You keep chasing your dreams of being a "real boy" - er - "real author" - some day, Viagra.

 

[sr71plt]

Most of Selena's books are material she has posted here. Yes indeed, people are going to rush out and buy stuff they can get for free. Makes cents to me.

I've posted on that issue several times in recent months. It makes absolutely no sense to me, either--and I've posted this repeatedly. But it just happens to be true. Most of what I have out there for profit is also here (and I've never been asked to take any of it off of here)--or, now, will eventually be on here after the shelf life of work-for-profit has run its course. I have stories for free here that are currently earning profit in three other venues at the same time. Just an anomally of the erotica industry. May not make sense--but it's true.

When I take material from here for e-books, though, I augment it or recast it enough to make it something more than what is here. But I have the verbatim stories on two other Web sites--one a subscription Web site that gives me free access and the other a Web site that has underwritten a subscription for me to a video service for two years now just for my grant of a right for them to carry my stories on their Web site--no money changes hands (which is one of my requirements, but I would otherwise have to pay for services I wanted anyway--and it's nice not to have to put true name to those subscriptions. Everyone wins.).

I continue to publish here, too, because this provides, by far, the largest readership.

And then there are over 20 works now at eXcessica--and building--between me and a coauthor that are just chinking away the money--in small amounts each, but pretty hefty amounts across my offerings. Each time I put out a new one, I gain some buyers for the earlier releases (which is why you don't just put one out there and sit for four years waiting for it to do something all by itself). And each time one of them gets reviewed--nearly all of them have been reviewed, a few as many as four times--another set of buyers shows up to one of the many distribution Web sites they are listed on and buys.

Thems the facts, as strange as they may seem.

So, I haven't a shred of doubt that Selena is making good money over any reprints from here. Just go to Fictionwise or Allromanceebooks or any of several other Web distributors of e-book erotica--all of which independently rank sales across publishers--and check the stats out for yourself. Your wishing it weren't so won't change reality, toots.

As long as someone insists it isn't true, it's just they who aren't on this bandwagon.

 

[sarahhh]

They sure do. The Internet's a big place. Lots of people who've never even heard of Lit show up to buy. New readers+huge backlist=cha-ching. Lots of people who come from Lit want to finish the series' I've offered here. Cha ching.

It works out quite well.

Like I said, I'll just keep cashing my real checks. You keep chasing your dreams of being a "real boy" - er - "real author" - some day, Viagra.

Hey, well that fake baby does need an inheritance. Can't wait for the pics, although I'm thinking we just might have a really big drama queen moment first.

I'm going out for the evening now. I have a real life, unlike you. I don't want your bud Ace to think I'm struggling for something to say. I won't be here to say anything. But I'll be back tomorrow! You keep on posting almost 24/7 with all your alts like you always do. And don't stop Ace from posting all that long-winded dumb ass shit. What he should write about is his cure for insomnia. It works. But Jim and Freddie will be waking up soon.

 

[sr71plt]

Hey, well that fake baby does need an inheritance. Can't wait for the pics, although I'm thinking we just might have a really big drama queen moment first.

So typical. When someone takes you up on the substantive discussion, you drift off into nasty innuendo.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

But Jim and Freddie will be waking up soon.

I'm sure "they" will - right after you leave! It's like alt-magic!

 

[jomar]

Wait! Are you guys saying that 'views' don't result in $$$ from Laurel and Manu!

 

[scouries]

Views????

QUOTE jomar Wait! Are you guys saying that 'views' don't result in $$$ from Laurel and Manu!

Not unless you’re offered and then accept and sign a LITEROTICA ROYALTY contract my good man. From what I understand there are only three of these contracts in effect for 2009 (including mine).

My present one, the third contract I’ve been offered by the ROYAL + FAMILY, was signed in December and is in effect through 2010.

Under this present contract there are a number of conditions that can trigger payments – and yes VIEWS are one of them. In fact both TOTAL MONTHLY and TOTAL YEARLY VIEWS are relatively important determinants of my year end bonuses.

Of course there are other things that generate payments under the contract, things such as: VOTES (total yearly votes, average votes per story, bonuses for 500 and 1000 vote stories, etc.), PUBLIC COMMENTS posted, SCOURIES THREAD views, FAVORITEST AUTHOR and STORY positions, among others.

Although any contractual relationship has its ups and downs I think I’m speaking for both sides when I state that we’re both relatively happy with our present relationship. The ROYALS get a best selling author who isn’t always running around trying to find someone else to publish their stories, and I get a large, steady stream of income that helps me fund my various charitable endeavors. WIN - WIN!

But it should be noted that the QUEEN does exact some promises from signed authors such as I. A minimum number of stories must be submitted each year, a minimum number of contests must be entered, a prescribed number of threads started, first right of refusal on all scourian erotic writing, certain exclusivity clauses, etc., etc.

I’ve even agreed under this present contract to take the QUEEN bonefishing in Florida Bay one week every winter on my personal yacht. She loves hooking one of those big boners … apparently she comes from a family of bonefishing men. Who knew?

In return I get to stay at the LITEROTICA Summer Palace for a week every year. It’s no big deal for me but Gabby loves the place.

I’m james r scouries and I’m happy to be in the LITEROTICA AUTHORS stable…

[size=+2]Dolphins love bonefishing too…[/size]

 

[Guest]

QUOTE jomar Wait! Are you guys saying that 'views' don't result in $$$ from Laurel and Manu!

Not unless you’re offered and then accept and sign a LITEROTICA ROYALTY contract my good man. From what I understand there are only three of these contracts in effect for 2009 (including mine).

My present one, the third contract I’ve been offered by the ROYAL + FAMILY, was signed in December and is in effect through 2010.

Under this present contract there are a number of conditions that can trigger payments – and yes VIEWS are one of them. In fact both TOTAL MONTHLY and TOTAL YEARLY VIEWS are relatively important determinants of my year end bonuses.

Of course there are other things that generate payments under the contract, things such as: VOTES (total yearly votes, average votes per story, bonuses for 500 and 1000 vote stories, etc.), PUBLIC COMMENTS posted, SCOURIES THREAD views, FAVORITEST AUTHOR and STORY positions, among others.

Although any contractual relationship has its ups and downs I think I’m speaking for both sides when I state that we’re both relatively happy with our present relationship. The ROYALS get a best selling author who isn’t always running around trying to find someone else to publish their stories, and I get a large, steady stream of income that helps me fund my various charitable endeavors. WIN - WIN!

But it should be noted that the QUEEN does exact some promises from signed authors such as I. A minimum number of stories must be submitted each year, a minimum number of contests must be entered, a prescribed number of threads started, first right of refusal on all scourian erotic writing, certain exclusivity clauses, etc., etc.

I’ve even agreed under this present contract to take the QUEEN bonefishing in Florida Bay one week every winter on my personal yacht. She loves hooking one of those big boners … apparently she comes from a family of bonefishing men. Who knew?

In return I get to stay at the LITEROTICA Summer Palace for a week every year. It’s no big deal for me but Gabby loves the place.

I’m james r scouries and I’m happy to be in the LITEROTICA AUTHORS stable…

[size=+2]Dolphins love bonefishing too…[/size]

You know, James, you've referred to this thread more times than I can possibly remember as "Scouries World."

I think that's literally true.

Sad. And pathetic.

 

[PrincessErin]

.....

 

[jomar]

bonefishing...

I don't care what they say, I you.

 

[TxRad]

Why I'm reading this thread in the first place is beyond my comprehension. The fact that I'm still being talked about is interesting. Anyone want to tell me how long it takes to be forgotten on here?

Erin

No one can ever be forgotten. We're all one person don't ya know.

 

[michchick98]

No one can ever be forgotten. We're all one person don't ya know.

No, there's only about eight people on this site. Three of them (at last count) were scouries/sarahh/gabby.

The rest (according to sarahh) are Danielle, you, me, Selena, Ace, oh hell, we're everyone else AND we run this site, too.

 

[michchick98]

Why I'm reading this thread in the first place is beyond my comprehension. The fact that I'm still being talked about is interesting. Anyone want to tell me how long it takes to be forgotten on here?

Erin

Like someone said earlier, it's like a horrible train wreck. You know you shouldn't look, but you just can't help yourself.

And to be forgotten on this thread? Well, I don't know. I don't disappear long enough to be forgotten On other threads? We don't want you to disappear, Erin! The ones we WANT to disappear won't, however.

 

[scouries]

QUOTE gdp You know, James, you've referred to this thread more times than I can possibly remember as "Scouries World." I think that's literally true.

Good old Gross Domestic Product dropped in again did he?

How many times can you “possibly remember” anyway? Five? Ten? Are you suffering the first stages of dementia? In future maybe you could write Scouries World on the top of a pad of paper and then add a tick mark each time I use the term. Then you could “possibly remember”. Just an idea…

I’m james r scouries and I’m afraid our good old GDP is sinking fast…

[size=+2]Dolphins have very good memories…[/size]

 

[scouries]

Oops, I almost forgot. I want to thank you for the birthday card you sent to us at Scouries World for Stephanie James – she really appreciated your kind words.

Jim

p.s. BTW gdp if you instituted the system I suggested in the last post you now should have 2 tick marks on your pad.