Saudi View

[R. Richard]

The Palestinain and Israeli views of the recent problems in the Gaza Strip are well known. Here's the Saudi view. Comment?

Saudi contractors afraid to visit Gaza

King Abdullah pledges $1 billion in aid to Palestinians, but his country's construction contracting companies unenthusiastic about rebuilding Strip due to security situation

Saudi Arabia's leading construction contracting companies are unenthusiastic over the possibility of sending their teams to carry out projects for the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip.

The companies will not be able to make a big profit from the reconstruction project, as Saudi King Abdullah has pledged $1 billion in aid to the Palestinians.

Gaza government announces fundraising campaign aimed at collecting $25 million needed to restore dozens of mosques completely or partially ruined in IDF strikes

At this stage, the Saudi companies' fear revolves around the security issue. Beyond the sporadic firing incidents, the relations between Saudi Arabia and the Hamas organization are tense due to Riyadh's uncompromising support for Egypt's stance during the Israeli offensive in Gaza.

Abdullah al-Amar, chairman of the Saudi national contractors committee and a member of the kingdom's chamber of commerce and industry, explained that the security factor existed in every region in the world, not just in the Gaza Strip, but stressed that the Saudi contractors feel that Gaza is not safe enough at the moment.

"The necessary measures must be taken to ensure safety. The country will not let any contractor or merchant leave for the Gaza Strip if it fails to guarantee his safety," al-Amar was quoted as saying.

Another member of the committee, Muhammad al-Atas, added that the Gazan companies cannot carry out all the rebuilding projects needed in the Strip these days by themselves and will need the Saudi contractors' help.

According to al-Atas, there is problem financing the projects in the Strip, and on the Egyptian side of al-Arish there are companies offering supply services to contracting companies wishing to operate in Gaza.

Al-Atas stressed, however, that the Saudi companies were concerned about the political-security situation in the Strip. "It's dangerous going to areas where there is no political authority and where the security situation is shaky," he said.

 

[sr71plt]

Not sure why you posted this and what you're driving at. Seems a reasonable assessment of the problem. Did you somehow think that Arabic States should consider the situation in Gaza safe--or pretend that it is?

 

[R. Richard]

Not sure why you posted this and what you're driving at. Seems a reasonable assessment of the problem. Did you somehow think that Arabic States should consider the situation in Gaza safe--or pretend that it is?

The people who are funding Hamas don't want any part of what's going on in the Gaza Strip, if their people have to be there. As long as the Palestinians and the Israelis kill each other, that suits the Saudis just fine. However, before the Saudis actually put boots on the ground, they want to make damn sure that their people don't get involved in the killing, at least not as killees.

The Arab states in the region are willing to pay the Palestinians to die, but not to die themselves. The same Arab states are happy to see Israelis die, but not at the cost of their own people's lives.

The UN? Well, the UN does nothing.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't see the issue. The Saudis are making a realistic assessment. It's a volitile war zone. So what other Arab state is sending anyone there? I don't see that it has any connection at all to anyone's policy on the Palestinians. People who go to Gaza are in dire danger of dying. So there's no rush to go there. Duh.

 

[R. Richard]

I don't see the issue. The Saudis are making a realistic assessment. It's a volitile war zone. So what other Arab state is sending anyone there? I don't see that it has any connection at all to anyone's policy on the Palestinians. People who go to Gaza are in dire danger of dying. So there's no rush to go there. Duh.

Per Israeli intelligence, Lebanon and Syria are both sending people, munitions and trained Palestians into Gaza. Iran is not an Arab state, but is sending people, munitions and trained Palestians into Gaza.

People who go to Gaza are in dire danger of dying. However, there's a rush to get people and munitions in there to keep the attacks on Israel going. If the attacks die down, then there might just start to be questions as to why Palestinians are dying to please their Syrian or Iranian masters. [Note: The head Palestinian is publically resident in Damascus.]

 

[sr71plt]

I really don't know what you are running on about this for. The article you cited is about construction workers. And Saudi construction workers.

 

[R. Richard]

I really don't know what you are running on about this for. The article you cited is about construction workers. And Saudi construction workers.

You asked what other Arab states were sending people into Gaza. I answered your question.

 

[amicus]

In the 'worst case scenario', outlined on another thread, if a world wide economic crisis requires the US withdraw from the Middle East, militarily and the Israeli's are left to their own devices to protect their homeland; what might the results be?

Amicus...

 

[sr71plt]

You asked what other Arab states were sending people into Gaza. I answered your question.

The discussion was on construction workers. You're obviously looking for something nefarious that isn't there--Discussion of such doesn't bother Amicus, so I'll leave the two of you to blather at great length about nothing relevant.

 

[DesertPirate]

In the 'worst case scenario', outlined on another thread, if a world wide economic crisis requires the US withdraw from the Middle East, militarily and the Israeli's are left to their own devices to protect their homeland; what might the results be?

Amicus...

Nukes would fly.
That is the sad truth.

 

[amicus]

I agree and the worlds supply of crude from that area would cease.

amicus...

 

[R. Richard]

I agree and the worlds supply of crude from that area would cease.

amicus...

This is off topic, but I disagree with your conclusion. In most of the middle-east countries oil is what runs the economy and feeds the people. If they refuse to sell the oil, their own countries suffer by far the most. The people who run the oil contires don't appear to care about their people, but they do care about revolution.

 

[DesertPirate]

This is off topic, but I disagree with your conclusion. In most of the middle-east countries oil is what runs the economy and feeds the people. If they refuse to sell the oil, their own countries suffer by far the most. The people who run the oil contires don't appear to care about their people, but they do care about revolution.

If they all attack Israel when we pull out, the question would be, how can they export form a nuclear wasteland?

 

[sr71plt]

If they all attack Israel when we pull out, the question would be, how can they export form a nuclear wasteland?

You must not think the Israelis are too bright. They'd be sitting inside the nuclear wasteland (not to say they wouldn't pinpoint target enough to neutralize the situation).

 

[cloudy]

The discussion was on construction workers. You're obviously looking for something nefarious that isn't there--Discussion of such doesn't bother Amicus, so I'll leave the two of you to blather at great length about nothing relevant.

It's just their standard "Muslims are making the sky fall!" discussion all over again.

 

[DesertPirate]

Check it for yourself at:

www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488
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Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle In US

Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:18:31 PM

President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States . Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza .

The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

President Obama's decision, according to the Register, was necessitated by "the urgent refugee and migration needs" of the "victims."

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let's review some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:

* His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

* His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.

* He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.

* He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

* He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11.

* Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.

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Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's just their standard "Muslims are making the sky fall!" discussion all over again.

The sky isn't actually falling, but there are things wrong in the world. For instance, there is the genocide in Darfur, the terrorist attacks on Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah, and in Mumbai, and on the civilian populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Earlier than that, there were terrorist attacks in Madrid and London and New York and Bali and other places. What do all these things have in common? They were or are being pertetrated by Muslims. Not by all Muslims, but by a good number of them.

And now, what has our newly-elected president done about these things? Read DP's post to find out.

 

[cloudy]

The sky isn't actually falling, but there are things wrong in the world.

Well...duh.

For instance, there is the genocide in Darfur, the terrorist attacks on Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah, and in Mumbai, and on the civilian populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Earlier than that, there were terrorist attacks in Madrid and London and New York and Bali and other places. What do all these things have in common? They were or are being pertetrated by Muslims. Not by all Muslims, but by a good number of them.

The Muslims are making the sky fall! The Muslims are making the sky fall!

God, y'all are so damn boring.

And now, what has our newly-elected president done about these things? Read DP's post to find out.

Not in a million years. He's as narrow-minded as you are.

 

[sr71plt]

The sky isn't actually falling, but there are things wrong in the world. For instance, there is the genocide in Darfur, the terrorist attacks on Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah, and in Mumbai, and on the civilian populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Earlier than that, there were terrorist attacks in Madrid and London and New York and Bali and other places. What do all these things have in common? They were or are being pertetrated by Muslims. Not by all Muslims, but by a good number of them.

And now, what has our newly-elected president done about these things? Read DP's post to find out.

This has what to do with Saudi construction workers not going to the Gaza because it's too dangerous?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
The sky isn't actually falling, but there are things wrong in the world. For instance, there is the genocide in Darfur, the terrorist attacks on Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah, and in Mumbai, and on the civilian populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Earlier than that, there were terrorist attacks in Madrid and London and New York and Bali and other places. What do all these things have in common? They were or are being pertetrated by Muslims. Not by all Muslims, but by a good number of them.

And now, what has our newly-elected president done about these things? Read DP's post to find out.

This has what to do with Saudi construction workers not going to the Gaza because it's too dangerous?

I was responding to a previous post by Cloudy. As for the connection, it is dangerous in Gaza, even for Muslims, because of the evil deeds being perpetrated by Muslims there.

 

[sr71plt]

I was responding to a previous post by Cloudy. As for the connection, it is dangerous in Gaza, even for Muslims, because of the evil deeds being perpetrated by Muslims there.

No, Cloudy was dead onto the OP and so am I.

And on the reason it's dangerous there, you are only partially sighted (and doctrinaire-driven) as usual about that. There are two (and more) in this particular tango.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No, Cloudy was dead onto the OP and so am I.

And on the reason it's dangerous there, you are only partially sighted (and doctrinaire-driven) as usual about that. There are two (and more) in this particular tango.

I'm aware of that, but it is Hamas and other Muslims who are steering the tango and setting the direction it goes. The others are just responding, and maybe retaliating.

 

[Boxlicker101]

How did this get doubled?

 

[amicus]

Perhaps R.Richard, the thread starter, wanted this thread to deal with the Saudi's only, then again, perhaps not.

Saudi construction workers in Gaza is just a microcosm of the larger picture and if it is even sensed in the middle east that the US military presence will begin to diminish with the new administration, then the entire scenario shifts as the power base does.

The Brits & the French have Naval units, would they replace the US Fleet that protects oil exports from that part of the world? If the Iranians sense a weaker US resolve, will they just move into Iraq and do the Saudi's react and in what way?

The 'usual suspects' have rising hackles here as they do not wish a blanket condemnation of the Muslim world as a singly terrorist entity, yet that fact will be made clear the instant the US begins a withdrawal and signals a diplomatic 'hands off', to the region.

Mark my words.

Amicus...

 

[sr71plt]

I'm aware of that, but it is Hamas and other Muslims who are steering the tango and setting the direction it goes. The others are just responding, and maybe retaliating.

That's not even true. If Israeli isolation and squeezing hadn't caused discontent there, the Muslim militants wouldn't have been able to take over there.

Sorry, you are no Middle East expert.