Obama's First Prime Time as Prez...

[jeninflorida]

Well I totally agree with you, R & D both suck and will say anything just to get a vote. What gets me is that people can't see that....

How can Obama pick 3 people that forgot to pay their taxes? Everyone that he has chosen is a DC insider...so where the wind of change? Its business as usual so far…just hope that this massive spending (and yes it was Bush that started this blindly) will help turn the tide

I don't agree with Lieberman on may issues but he is the only member of the "Thundering Herd of Dumbass" that I have any respect for.

 

[DeeZire]

How can Obama pick 3 people that forgot to pay their taxes? Everyone that he has chosen is a DC insider...so where the wind of change? Its business as usual so far…just hope that this massive spending (and yes it was Bush that started this blindly) will help turn the tide

Obama does have three Republicans in his cabinet or in top positions, which is a total departure from the Bush model - which amounted to surrounding yourself with yes-men. This in itself is a huge change from "business as usual".

 

[cloudy]

Obama does have three Republicans in his cabinet or in top positions, which is a total departure from the Bush model - which amounted to surrounding yourself with yes-men. This in itself is a huge change from "business as usual".

Don't confuse them with the truth, now.

 

[cantdog]

It was very nice to have a president who could speak in sentences, and answered questions. Refreshing.

 

[midwestyankee]

Speaking of stark contrasts between the current president and his predecessor, do you remember the time that George W Bush was asked a question at a town hall event by a woman who said she was working 3 jobs? His reply was to call her effort "a real American thing to do" and then he laughed and asked if she ever got any sleep. To him, that woman was a source of humor.

Now, when our president encounters someone like that, he behaves a little differently:Obama and homeless woman at town hall

 

[amicus]

This, the last several posts at least, would be amusing were it not so damned pathetic.

Hey! Pssssst! Bush is gone! Ur beating a gone ghost!

And are you really kidding us all? Some actually do watch the news and to portray Obama's responses as, 'answers', takes the cake. He avoids the question, every time, to launch into campaign mode again, selling his socialism to a willing audience.

Gimme a break.

Amicus...

 

[Dragonlipz]

It's interesting that certian folks here cling to

discredited and outmoded belief systems - these are supposed to be the sharper pencils, sobering thought, that - rather than give the new guy a chance.
Lord knows that they (and millions of other soft-brains!) gave the last guy every chance but couldn't even admit that he was a one-trick pony. A tired trick at that. Not that the one trick pony set the bar very high.
His one claim to fame was that he kept the homeland 'safe' from a supposed attack that we never heard about! I think that if Dubya thwarted a terrorist attack, we would have heard about it ad nauseaum.....instead we get Cheney warning us of 'dire consequenses' because Obama is 'naive'.
How naive do ya haveta be, Dick, to ignore numerous warnings from your own security apparatus?
What else did the Bush-Cheney gangstas do?
Drove the economy into a ditch with the same old tired ass tax breaks for the rich and deregulation for the corportate entities that Reagan espoused.
Destroyed America's credibility at home and abroad.
Outed a secret agent.
Filled the cabinet and advisors with 'Yohsuh, massah!' types.......
Fired people that offered a contrary view of the world or wouldn't support thier lies......
The repugnant list goes on and on.....
So puff up yer chests and proclaim yourselves to be the 'opposition'. The opposition dedicated to see this man 'fail'. An opposition that counts as a victory the demise of this proud nation.
This part should be self-explanatory but I'll parse it out:
He is our president and he's asking for cooperation. He's inherited the biggest mess ever and is trying to work through it. He's maybe one of the best presidents ever cos it's for sure that he couldn't be the worst - we've lived through the Bush regime unlike five thousand of our wonderful armed forces who died for his lies.......

 

[amicus]

Dragonlipz
Experienced

Geez, how many of these Bush haters do we have to listen to or read?

And the BS about cooperation, Pelosi and the gang know damned well they can ram any legislation through without a single Republican vote.

It is not the man, Dragonlipz, or even the Party that is drawing opposition and resistance. It is, finally, the stark realization that the barbarians are at the gates, the socialists.

This administration will fail and fail miserably. Not because of what a prior administration did, not even because times are tough, but because their philosophy is fatally flawed.

Amicus

 

[DesertPirate]

Excuse me?

I cannot not seriously believe this silliness came from the mouth of someone who supports a party that has based their last three elections and almost every foreign policy decision of the last eight years on fear.

Bush used fear to get things passed or "overlooked" consistently for the majority of his presidency. Patriot Act, wiretapping, suspension of Habeas corpus, TORTURE.

McCain attempted to make everyone afraid of Obama's inexperience, his casual contacts, his funny name...

Pot-Kettle-Black is not anywhere near strong enough to express how ridiculous I find it to hear anyone even remotely associated with support for the Republican party trying to talk down about anyone for using "fear" as a motivator.

Things are not near as bad as the Carter years yet!
Give it about 3 more and the 15 - 20% inflation will make this a one term administration.

 

[Belegon]

Things are not near as bad as the Carter years yet!
Give it about 3 more and the 15 - 20% inflation will make this a one term administration.

interesting that you should bring that up...

shall we indulge in a debate about the various causes of the economic troubles of the time and how little they actually had to do with Carter? And how much they had to do with the cost of a misguided war and an energy crisis?

Mind you, I'm not about to say Jimmy was a domestic policy genius. He wasn't. And his own attempts to alter "politics as usual" did little to nothing other than create opposition in Congress... From BOTH parties.

Carter couldn't get a damn thing passed, even when he did have good ideas. Which he didn't always.

But the man was and is one hell of a diplomat. And he has completely redefined the role of elder statesman in this country. He is the best EX-President we ever had.

Obama's similarities to Carter are pretty few, really...

 

[DesertPirate]

interesting that you should bring that up...

shall we indulge in a debate about the various causes of the economic troubles of the time and how little they actually had to do with Carter? And how much they had to do with the cost of a misguided war and an energy crisis?

Mind you, I'm not about to say Jimmy was a domestic policy genius. He wasn't. And his own attempts to alter "politics as usual" did little to nothing other than create opposition in Congress... From BOTH parties.

Carter couldn't get a damn thing passed, even when he did have good ideas. Which he didn't always.

But the man was and is one hell of a diplomat. And he has completely redefined the role of elder statesman in this country. He is the best EX-President we ever had.

Obama's similarities to Carter are pretty few, really...

But incurring this asinine amount of debt for things that won't help is dumb!
The economy will begin to recover in about a year anyway. This will speed nothing and the inflation it will cause will slow any recovery. For this kind of money they could have just given each taxpayer $20k and we would spend it and give the economy a bigger boost that this bill ever will.

Carter is senile and in his own world. His work with Habitat is the only worthwhile thing he has done since Camp David.

 

[Belegon]

But incurring this asinine amount of debt for things that won't help is dumb!
The economy will begin to recover in about a year anyway. This will speed nothing and the inflation it will cause will slow any recovery. For this kind of money they could have just given each taxpayer $20k and we would spend it and give the economy a bigger boost that this bill ever will.

Carter is senile and in his own world. His work with Habitat is the only worthwhile thing he has done since Camp David.

Damn. I mean, a Nobel Peace Prize Winner can't get respect from you?

You're delusional or something. That's just asinine, DP.

Mind you, I won't dispute the idea of providing more money at the bottom. I agree with that concept. I have always believed a push strategy was more effective than a pull in these cases. Trickle-down economics makes about as much sense to me as the idea that monsters live off the edge of my maps.

 

[DesertPirate]

Damn. I mean, a Nobel Peace Prize Winner can't get respect from you?

You're delusional or something. That's just asinine, DP.

Mind you, I won't dispute the idea of providing more money at the bottom. I agree with that concept. I have always believed a push strategy was more effective than a pull in these cases. Trickle-down economics makes about as much sense to me as the idea that monsters live off the edge of my maps.

Camp David is what the Nobel was for. It's the only thing he ever did right. I was in the Navy when Teeth was in the White House, the lack of leadership was scary.

 

[amicus]

'Trickle down...', as you laughingly refer to it, (pun intended), simply means that small business owners, who create eight out of every ten jobs in our economy, will energize the economy if less of their wealth is confiscated by the government.

Small business entrepreneurs have a nasty habit of expanding their business's, hiring contractors to build new stores and people to run the stores, who, spend money in smaller shops, which indeed, is a 'trickle down' affair and aptly described.

It is only when government intervenes, by increasing regulation and taxation, that small business cannot invest. Higher minimum wages is one of those regulations that fail every time as it increases the cost of doing business and the price that must be charged every customer to cover higher wages.

So strange you folks know so little about economics.

Amicus...

 

[Belegon]

the lack of leadership was scary.

Hard to lead when no one is willing to follow...

Carter never had the support (even from his own party) that the Presidents since him have had...

Some of that needs to be laid at his doorstep. It was Carter's job to make them follow. He did try, he just failed at it.

 

[Belegon]

That's not what "trickle-down economics" means in this country and it hasn't had that meaning for thirty years now.

Wake up, dude.

 

[amicus]

Christ on a fucking crutch! It is impossible to communicate with lazy liberals who never heard of a concept that does not undergo generational changes,
; i.e., is absolute.

As I recall it was Arthur Laffer, (you missed the pun), and his theory of 'trickle down economics', just like John Maynard Keynes and his 'stimulus adjustment' theory. Both are existing theories and cannot be dismissed as if they did not exist.

You only validate history you like, such as Das Capital?

erk

Amicus...

 

[cantdog]

Obama's not talking about theory, except to tell Republicans to leave it out. He said he didn't want to hear that government had no business getting involved in economies or markets or health care. He would welcome a pragmatic discussion over what will work, but people can check their ideology at the door.

He said when asked what metric to watch that his first benchmark was 4 million jobs. Not any ism, just a pragmatic measure: Is it working?

Anyone have a more apropos way to judge this thing?

 

[DeeZire]

From what I saw and heard, it seemed to be the same rhetoric as the campaign promises...only now it's impending doom instead of hope and change.

I question such panicky statements from a Chief Executive...especially one whose been in office less than a month and hasn't learned the ropes yet. It seemed he was parroting the headlines and the leaders of his party. Being an economic Chicken Little doesn't engender any confidence in me.

I happened to catch in interview with four nationally known economists tonight, including Paul Krugman. They all agreed that at this point in time, a majority of US banks are insolvent. In other words, if every one of their depositors demanded their money back, the banks would not have the cash, or the assets, to cover it.

If you want to question the panicky statements of the Chief Executive, you might also consider questioning your own ability to comprehend basic math.

 

[Liar]

I happened to catch in interview with four nationally known economists tonight, including Paul Krugman. They all agreed that at this point in time, a majority of US banks are insolvent. In other words, if every one of their depositors demanded their money back, the banks would not have the cash, or the assets, to cover it.

If you want to question the panicky statements of the Chief Executive, you might also consider questioning your own ability to comprehend basic math.

I thought this was interresting.

http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1683

Nevermind the obviously biased website (Nancy Pelosi's blog, I think). The numbers themselves come from the Buerau Of Labor Statistics.

Then a "normal" recession got better, this one got fucked up.

 

[amicus]

Y'know, I don't have a problem with people who have an agenda to push and identify it as such.

"...As President Obama said last night:

We can’t embrace the losing formula that says only tax cuts will work for every problem we face; that ignores critical challenges like our addiction to foreign oil, or the soaring cost of health care, or falling schools and crumbling bridges and roads and levees. I don’t care whether you’re driving a hybrid or an SUV — if you’re headed for a cliff, you’ve got to change direction...."

Thanks to the left for banning energy production, we now have an energy crisis. Was there one word about solving it with increased American production?

Health Care, of course, with government workers and union employees having the consumer pay for their lavish plans and now everyone wants it for free, sure, works for me.

I assume you meant, 'failing schools', it is not the real property of school buildings, not even the efficacy of teachers; it is the system of unaccountable public education that has failed.

Infrastructure is the same game, each State has a Department of Transportation and Roads. It is so politicized that repairs are only made as political payback. Put the infrastructure in the hands of private enterprise and you will have safe roads and bridges.

The United States of America took a big hit on September 11, 2001. During world war two all industry became war industries, there were no cars made, no new refrigerators or appliances for public consumption. The entire nation went to war.

We are at war and prosecuting that war at huge costs and you think that does not affect the economy? Katrina took a major toll in business and taxes as off shore oil wells and onshore refineries suffered damage and closed or cut back production.

The severity of this recession is rooted in the mortgages backed by Democrats in Fannie and Freddie, which led to the bank failures and investment firms failures.

None of those issues are being addressed by the new administration.

Go figure.

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Obama is catching hell from liberals. Its not in the MSM but liberal pundits are noting that he's already in bed with the Wall Street Elites. One pundit says Obama's presidency is over, another calls him 'naive and incompetent.' Others are examining his plans for National Healthcare, which deny services if you fail to meet the demographic standard. Others say he's an alarmist making things worse inciting unnecessary fear in consumers.

We'll know the story by July. If the Magic Negro hasnt learned how to pull rabbits from hats by then, he's a historical curiosity.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

To answer the question, it was a very good press conference. Obama answered the questions at length and in detail (his answers were, in fact, maybe too detailed), and i don't know what you can ask for beyond that.

Geithner's speech the next day, on the other hand, was a disaster.

There's 2.3 million Americans facing home foreclosure right now. We're losing jobs at a rate of over 500,000 a month. There are no new jobs to replace them. Banks aren't lending money for business expansion

You lose your job, your home, what do you do? Tax cuts don't help if your income is zero, and as far as you're concerned, the unemployment rate is 100% where you live. We're only months away from a full-blown depression with unemployment rates of 25% and massive bank failures that will take us a decade to recover from.

We're in deep economic shit. We need a big shovel.

 

[DesertPirate]

Hard to lead when no one is willing to follow...

Carter never had the support (even from his own party) that the Presidents since him have had...

Some of that needs to be laid at his doorstep. It was Carter's job to make them follow. He did try, he just failed at it.

Carter has never had any leadership ability.
His Seretary of the Navy said in Jan. 80 that the Navy had met his goal of 50% of there time in "Homeport", I looked at my calendar with 278 days marked as "away" from Norfolk and threw up, then turned in my papers to start the separation process. Lies and fear mongering were the trademark of Carters lack of leadership.

 

[cloudy]

Lies and fear mongering were the trademark of Carters lack of leadership.

Funniest post ever.