Just for Retrieval

[Cade Is Here]

errrrrr no they are his words from his pm
i'm not racist i asked him if he was because i really don't want people like him pming me you fucking halfwit and if you knew anything about me you'd know why.
at least he's not as dim as you, i'll give him that much credit.

who pm'ed you saying that?

seanh or Lt?

 

[Hell Kat]

who pm'ed you saying that?

i asked retrieval in a pm if he was a racist and the quote before was his exact reply and he will confirm it too.

 

[Cade Is Here]

i asked retrieval in a pm if he was a racist and the quote before was his exact reply and he will confirm it too.

This board is full of black power freaks

 

[Hell Kat]

well until they pm me they aren't the issue and this thread isn't about them

 

[Cade Is Here]

well until they pm me they aren't the issue and this thread isn't about them

It's about Lt being a racist..but everyone already knows that!!
Otherwise sean..no one really pays attention to him or his views!!

 

[Hell Kat]

you should re-read the title but anyway it seems a shame that retrieval is a nazi idiot

 

[Cade Is Here]

you should re-read the title but anyway it seems a shame that retrieval is a nazi idiot

Actually If you follow the posts that is sean saying that...but he calls alot of people that.

Sean for some reason thinks racism is only whites on blacks, he doesn't realize that other races can be racist as well.

If you post a black on white crime on Lit then you are considered a nazi in his eyes.

 

[cjh]

Actually If you follow the posts that is sean saying that...but he calls alot of people that.

Sean for some reason thinks racism is only whites on blacks, he doesn't realize that other races can be racist as well.

If you post a black on white crime on Lit then you are considered a nazi in his eyes.

i think sean realizes racism works both ways. i do too, much to leverage's dismay.

we don't, however, ignore history. nor do we ignore current events.

i think your fondness for david duke, and retrieval's fondness for this white nationalist party, though, fuels the perception that y'all are racists.

i challenge you, too, to find a racist post of LT's.

 

[Hell Kat]

well if you ask somebody straight out if they are a racist and they say yes you tend to take their word for it, i try not to listen to another persons second-hand or maliciousness.

 

[Sean]

Actually If you follow the posts that is sean saying that...but he calls alot of people that.

Sean for some reason thinks racism is only whites on blacks, he doesn't realize that other races can be racist as well.

If you post a black on white crime on Lit then you are considered a nazi in his eyes.

Reading isn't your strong point, is it Beco? Try reading my posts in Average's race baiting thread where I said blacks can be racist. Or my reply to Hitlerboy in another thread where he accused me of the same thing. Like you, he's a lying little coward, too.

 

[Hell Kat]

Reading isn't your strong point, is it Beco? Try reading my posts in Average's race baiting thread where I said blacks can be racist. Or my reply to Hitlerboy in another thread where he accused me of the same thing. Like you, he's a lying little coward, too.

i dunno, i'll give him that much he held his hands up to being a racist cock sucker

 

[Cade Is Here]

i think sean realizes racism works both ways. i do too, much to leverage's dismay.

we don't, however, ignore history. nor do we ignore current events.

I think your fondness for david duke, and retrieval's fondness for this white nationalist party, though, fuels the perception that y'all are racists.

i challenge you, too, to find a racist post of LT's.

I don't know about david duke..that one posts was supposed to be a joke but racist trolls like rory and nipples editted to there advantage and turned it around completely.

Actually yes Lt mad a few post about killing white people and such. About a year and half ago we caught him on one of his racist alts. I can't remember the alts name off had.

Also what about when geisha caugh caught and then finally admitted to her making all those white power alts. Now since she is supposed to be a black women, isn't she a bit racist for doing that?

Also what about these black power and black panther posters. arent they racist?

 

[Cade Is Here]

i dunno, i'll give him that much he held his hands up to being a racist cock sucker

what was that?

 

[Hell Kat]

what was that?

what i said was retrieval is a racist cock sucker

 

[Cade Is Here]

Reading isn't your strong point, is it Beco? Try reading my posts in Average's race baiting thread where I said blacks can be racist. Or my reply to Hitlerboy in another thread where he accused me of the same thing. People say I am a lying coward

Yes you are a lying coward...we already know that.

Wow what now makes you think that other races of people can also be racist. I never heard that from you before.

Also why is it when someone dissagrees with you they must either be an alt or a nazi?

You really need to get out more instead of always being locked up and getting drunk in you room. You would learn a whole of alot more than just reading your searchlight magazine!!

 

[semen4her]

I don't know about david duke..that one posts was supposed to be a joke but racist trolls like rory and nipples editted to there advantage and turned it around completely.

Actually yes Lt mad a few post about killing white people and such. About a year and half ago we caught him on one of his racist alts. I can't remember the alts name off had.

Also what about when geisha caugh caught and then finally admitted to her making all those white power alts. Now since she is supposed to be a black women, isn't she a bit racist for doing that?

Also what about these black power and black panther posters. arent they racist?

You are one sorry piece of shit.

Stupid as all fuck, and a racist...I feel sorry for your family.

 

[Retrieval]

Lol. This thread is classic.

 

[Hell Kat]

Lol. This thread is classic.

cock sucker says what now

 

[Retrieval]

cock sucker says what now

Do I stutter, slag?

I said...

Lol. This thread is classic.

 

[Hell Kat]

Do I stutter, slag?

I said...

i'm a what now? is that a proven fact.......... no
show me at what point i said i was a slag and i'll take it back and agree, but you are a cock sucker simple as

 

[Cade Is Here]

I am one sorry piece of shit.

Stupid as all fuck, and a racist...Don't you feel sorry for myfamily.

Well almost everyone has you on iggy for all your racist and annoying posts.
But yes your family probably is suffering because of your low level mentality

 

[Sean]

BTW, any of you seeing this should soooo read the link in the first post, it's hilarious.

 

[Sean]

Renard Ruse's thread about the BNP made me go and want to read this again, and I found out the link is now dead. So I went to Wayback and found it. Here, for your delight and delectation, is a c+p of the whole thing:

John Gaunt (JG): …as you know he wants to be Mayor of London. We’re interviewing everybody who’s standing, and we’ll ask them about their policies. Good morning Julian,

Julian Leppart (JL): Good morning John.

JG: Right, let’s get down to the major issues, I suppose. Where do you stand on the big things like congestion charge?

JL: We’re going to scrap the congestion charge. We feel that’s it’s a violation of the motorists right to drive on the Queen’s highway. It’s already been paid for by tax and insurance.

JG: Steve Norris says he’s going to do it on day one. That’s what you would do if you were elected mayor?

JL: Absolutely.

JG: What about congestion?

JL: Congestion? Err… we’ll we want to tackle the root cause of congestion, which is caused by the fact that there is quite simply too many people in London.

JG: Too many people in London? What would you do with all those people?

JL: Err, well we’re best known for our strong stance on immigration. And we’ve got anything up to 400,000 asylum seekers in London who shouldn’t even be here.

JG: Have they all got cars then? Are they causing the congestion?

JL: A lot of these people are driving cars around. They’re going to be thrown out for a start?

JG: Thrown out? How do you mean thrown out?

JL: Well, we’ve seen in Holland. Holland have done it – they’ve thrown out 20,000 asylum seekers recently. We could do the same thing.

JG: Should we be taking any asylum seekers?

JL: Err… well united, um, the Geneva… the United Nations guidelines, err, say you only have to take asylum seekers from your immediate neighbouring countries. Which means if a war broke out in France we could consider taking asylum seekers from France, or places like Ireland or Norway. But, err…

JG: What about people who’ve been seriously oppressed in their own countries? Do you not worry you might be sending them back to their deaths?

JL: Err, well perhaps they should be sent back to neighbouring countries. To neighbouring countries, not travel across dozens of safe countries all over Europe just to come to ours to get benefits.

JG: So you’ve gone straight into the asylum issue – and you say people come here for benefits – I was talking about the congestion charge. You say scrapping the congestion charge, there wouldn’t be any congestion because we’d be throwing a lot of people…

JL: …We should attack the root causes, which is overpopulation, and also we should invest in transport which consecutive governments in this country have failed to do for 50 years.

JG: Okay, let’s go to education. What’s your policy on education?

JL: Err, well traditional methods of education.

JG: What does that mean?

JL: Well, emphasis on three ‘R’s’. You know, more emphasis on discipline, and err, you know…

JG: What kind of education did you have?

JL: I had a very good education. I mean, everybody in my school spoke English.

JG: Is that important?

JL: Yeh, there was a good atmosphere of discipline…

JG: How old are you? If you don’t mind me asking.

JL: I went to a Catholic school, then I changed and went to a state school…

JG: Right. How old are you Julian?

JL: I’m 37.

JG: You’re 37. You got kids?

JL: No.

JG: Not at all?

JL: No.

JG: Married?

JL: Err, no. I’m semi-single.

JG: [laughs] Semi-single! What does that mean?

JL: Well, I don’t really want to get into that.

JG: Okay, so you’re a semi-single guy. Basically, 37 years old, and when it comes to education you want to go back to the three ‘R’s’?

JL: Yeh, basically.

JG: Okay. What’s wrong with London at the moment? And what difference would we see if the BNP were in control?

JL: Oh, I think if we were to be elected, even if we get one or two members on the GLA, it will prove a shining beacon of hope for the rest of Britain. I mean this is our capital city, so I think we’re going to have to take a lead. We have to sell ourselves as British, and we must ensure that London remains a traditionally British city…

JG: But what a lot of people say about London is that the great thing about London is the diversity; is the tolerance; is the fact that there is these different ranges of people and different ranges of experience you can have. Do you not welcome that? Do you not think that diversity has a lot of benefits for this city? A great city; a world city like London?

JL: When people talk about celebrating diversity – there’s probably a lot of people listening to this – it just makes you cringe and grind your feet. We are so sick of being told to celebrate diversity, that it’s this wonderful thing. I mean, how many people listening to this are actually aware that last week there was actually a major race riot in West London?

JG: What do you mean a major race riot?

JL: I’ve got the newspaper here actually. It’s the Hounslow Guardian. There was a major race riot in West London, no white people involved. There’s a… it was between Blacks and Asians, I believe. According to this "one onlooker filmed the incident as it occurred, who asked not to be named, said ‘It went absolutely mad. There were police helicopters, machetes, guns, it was a full-blown riot’. These things have been covered up. [ironic tone] ‘We should celebrate diversity’ [ironic]. Yeh, it’s wonderful!

JG: Do you not accept there’s crime within the white community? And there’s riots within the white community? I mean we’re worried about football hooliganism with Portugal coming up in a couple of weeks – people already saying we’ve got to be careful about whether we should go. Majority of those people are white. There’s white yobos, black yobos, Asian yobos…

JL: … I couldn’t agree more. I mean, there’s all sorts of low-lifes and dregs within the white community. And we have to deal with these, you know, but…

JG: Do you think…

JL: …[we] shouldn’t be inviting criminals from the rest of the world as well. We’ve got enough of our own to deal with.

JG: Do you think, then, that London will be a better city without diversity?

JL: Err, well I think if you ask anybody who’s perhaps over 60 years old what London was like before the 1950’s – when we had viable British communities in this city; when everyone knew each other; when everyone spoke the same language; when you could leave your doors open, as the old cliché goes…

JG: Yeh, but…

JL: It was rather better in those days, wasn’t it? It’s the kind of thing we should be moving back to.

JG: And you think it’s Black and Asian people who are creating that crime, do you?

JL: Err, well I’m not having a go at Black and Asian people. I just… we just believe that if you look at the rest of the world; if you take a cold hard look at the history book [from] other areas of the world the simple fact is that multicultural, multiracial societies don’t work. They generate hatred, violence in every case.

JG: Let’s go to phone calls and text messages. ‘What are your main aims if you’re voted in as London Mayor?’ There’s the first question.

JL: Main aims?

JG: Yeh.

JL: Well, I think crime, unlike the Conservative Party candidate I’m not going to be making any bogus pie-in-the-sky promises on crime. I will be giving the police 100% backing, and 0% interference. And I will be attempting to stop the various left-wing quangos telling the police what to do, how to do their job.

JG: Okay. ‘Dear John, could you ask Julian if the BNP’s a fascist party? If they gained power would they do away with the opposition parties?’ That’s Roy in Greenwich.

JL: Absolutely not. We’ll extend democracy. We’ll make sure that all shades of political opinion have access to the media, even including the loonies and cranks on the far-left. Everybody.

JG: What to you think about…

JL: …We’d have genuine democracy in this country.

JG: What to you think about the protests that’s happened today about you coming on this programme. We’ve had hundreds and hundreds of phone calls, emails and texts over the last week or so saying the BBC should not be giving you the oxygen of publicity because you are essentially a racist party?

JL: Well that’s the irony, isn’t it. We get called anti-democratic and fascist and these are the people who are screaming about banning people. These are the real fascists. All these people who are phoning up saying ‘oh, you shouldn’t have the BNP on’ - they’re the real fascists.

JG: Are you a racist party?

JL: Err, well, define racist?

JG: Well, do you believe it’s a party only for white people?

JL: Err, well we are a party that represents the indigenous British and European people. There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s plenty of organisations for such as the Black Police Officers Federation. I think there’s hundreds of similar organisations that caters for only one specific ethnic group. So why can’t you have a party for, well, for Caucasian European people.

JG: White people?

JL: Yeh, what’s wrong with that?

JG: ‘Gaunty, please could you ask this person answering you with ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to these two questions: would you, the BNP, treat Black people, (British or not), the same way you treat white people (British or not)?’ So, that’s the first question…

JL: Err, well I suppose it depends which area you’re talking about.

JG: Well if you’re in power, in government, would the BNP treat Black people equally to white people?

JL: Absolutely. Well, Black and ethnic people will be equal citizens in every way. But we do feel we need to reverse the current trend towards white people becoming, having a minority status in their own country - the country was built by our ancestors and many of our grandparents fought and died for – we do have to reverse that. That doesn’t mean we’re going to discriminate against people.

JG: The second question: ‘Do you, the BNP, think Black people, white people, are equal?’

JL: Err, equal but different.

JG: What does that mean?

JL: Well, it’s the same as men and women. You can’t say that a man is the same thing as a woman, but obviously they’re equal.

JG: What’s the difference between a Black man and a white man? And I don’t really understand.

JL: Err… what do you mean, genetically or…

JG: Yeh, well, just what’s the difference? I mean I know the difference between a woman and a man, I know that quite clearly what the difference is, and I understand that both in a psychological way, and in a physical way, but I don’t understand the difference between me as a white geezer and somebody else as a black guy. So I don’t really understand that.

JL: Well the human race is divided into various different races, and there are differences between those races.

JG: What differences?

JL: Well there are physiological differences.

JG: Yeh, look one’s got black skin and one hasn’t; but what other differences then? Do you think they’re equal in terms of intelligence, for example?

JL: Err, well that’s a very dangerous area to talk about isn’t it?

JG: Is it?

JL: Well if I was to say that Black people can run much faster than white people that would be perfectly acceptable...

JG: But not all Black people can, can they? I can probably run faster than he because he’s fatter than I am…

JL: Yeh, probably but if you look at the 100 metres final in the Olympics you’ll see, you know…

JG: So you think Black people are better runners?

JL: Well yeh.

JG: Are white people cleverer?

JL: Err… well there have been scientific studies but I haven’t really read them, so… it’s a dangerous area to get into because you get accused of all kinds of things.

JG: What do you make of the Black nurse last week who after 7 years got a £20,000 pay-off because a white mother wouldn’t let her deal with her white child. You do agree with that kind of thing?

JL: Err, I don’t really know the details of the case to be honest.

JG: Well, if you were in hospital you’d be okay to be treated by a black or Asian doctor or nurse?

JL: Err, well that is often used as a justification for immigration, [ironic tone] ‘Oh look at all these wonderful Black doctors and nurses’, but personally I think it’s absolutely obscene that rich countries such as Britain are actually purloining doctors and nurses from their developing countries condemning the old, the poor and the sick in countries like Pakistan to illness and early death.

JG: Would you mind being treated by a Black nurse?, that was my question.

JL: Would I mind?

JG: Yeh.

JL: Err, no. I would perhaps be suspicious if they’ve been trained abroad, that they weren’t trained to the same standard as the British nurse.

JG: Okay. We’re talking to Julian Leppart. He’s the BNP mayoral candidate. Let’s go to the calls – okay Julian – let’s start with John in Chigwell. Good morning John.

John: Good morning John; good morning Julian.

JG: Hi.

John: I would like to ask you a question. I’ve been to, I’ve tried to get into three BNP meetings, yeh, and I wasn’t allowed in. Because I’m a Black guy. Well that’s why I think, anyway now my question to you Julian is – I realise you must be a smart guy – now how are you going to convince me to vote for you? Or do you not want me to vote for you?

JL: Of course I do. We all want votes don’t we, we’re politicians, but…

JG: Can black people vote for the BNP? What do you offer Black people then? That’s what you’re asking innit John?

John: That’s exactly…

JG: Okay, right

JL: Can I ask you, in London, I mean, realistically we’re not going to get a huge amount of Black people to vote for us.

JG: Why not?

JL: Well, the way the media portray us. But if you look at the crime situation in various, you know, semi-dysfunctional Black communities such as Hackney. I mean all the decent law-abiding people in places like Hackney and Brixton – I’ve met people like this – they tell me they would like nothing better than to see some of the criminal elements basically thrown out of the country. They give decent Black and ethnic people a bad name. So…

JG: Hang on, so you would throw out black criminals?

JL: Yes.

JG: What about a white criminal, would you throw them out, where would you throw them to?

JL: White criminals?

JG: Yeh.

JL: Well, indigenous British criminals, you have to deal with them yourself. But…

JG: But what about, say, my mate right, Errol. He’s Black, but he was born in this country. If he goes out now and mugs somebody what would you do with him?

JL: He should be sent back to his land of ethnic origin.

JG: So his mum and dad come from Jamaica, he’d go back to Jamaica yeh?

JL: Yeh…

JG: …Hang on. So I go out and mug somebody. What happens to me? Cause I’m a white…

JL: You get a severe prison sentence.

JG: Why don’t I get the same prison sentence as him? Why should I be able to stay and him have to go? He’s British isn’t he, he was born here?

JL: He’s born here, yeh, I mean…

JG: Is he British?

JL: He’s British in the sense of having a British passport, but he’s not ethnically British.

JG: So he’s not the same British as me?

JL: Hmm [yes].

JG: Let me give you this as an example. My mate Roman, right, his dad came from Poland in 1943 I think, and he owned a chip shop just down the road from us, right. If Roman goes out and mugs somebody, he’s got a white skin, what would happen to him?

JL: Err, well presumably he’d be sent back to Poland.

JG: Oh, you would send him back to Poland?

JL: Presumably, yeh, yeh.

JG: How far back does it go then?

JL: Look at it this way… {JG & JL talk over each other}… it costs a £1,000 to put anyone in prison regardless of their race…

JG: …You’re not going to put any Black [people] inside…

JL: … so someone who is here because of the most 1950 immigration and they commit crimes… instead of perhaps spending up to £40,000 a year for a prison place for them perhaps give them £25,000 and compulsorily make them leave the country, and you could save the country £15,000 and you can have an extra prison place to use for your own people {JG & JL talk over each other}…

JG: Does that make sense to you?

John: It don’t make sense to me. I’ll tell you why…

JG: I’m glad it’s not just me. Go on.

John: The reason why it makes no sense to me, yeh, is because all I can backtrace myself to is the Caribbean. I don’t know what part of Africa my forefathers are from. So where actually would you be sending me to? Because you say you’re sending me home, but home is not the Caribbean to me.

JL: But I assume you’re not any kind of a criminal so we wouldn’t be sending you anywhere unless you actually wanted to go.

John: Well I wouldn’t want to go nowhere, but I still want to know how you trying to convince me that I should vote for you. That’s what I would like to know. Julian, I challenge you to take me to one of your meetings, yeh? So that I could sit in one of your meetings and listen to your policies.

JL: Well, I’ll be quite happy with that, but I would actually like to give a speech at an organisation for black people. I [asked] people in the party but they think it would be a security risk.

JG: Thank you John…

JL: …We should be talking to each other about these things rather than calling each other names.

JG: Thank you John. Nigel in Harrow, good morning Nigel you’re through to Julian what do you want to say?

Nigel: Just a very quick question, basically. Umm, I think from what he’s saying it is right that he is on there because he’s put me straight about one or two things. He may be putting me straight about something I’m going to ask anyway.

JG: Go on, ask the question then.

Nigel: Basically, my wife’s from West Africa. She’s been here for about 18 years, got married, three kids. I’m English. There’s no such thing as English, we’re all a bit of a… probably the most mongrel race there is really, been invaded by the Normans…

JG: Yeh, your question?

Nigel: So what happens to her? Okay, so she’s not committing a crime. Is she treated in exactly the same way as, say, an English white girl? Or a French white girl? Or a somebody who’s with white skin? Is there any way whatsoever that she’s treated in a different way to someone who’s white?

JL: Err, no. As I said before unless people engage in criminal activities everybody’s an equal citizen. It’s just that we want to reverse the process of colonisation from other countries outside Europe as far as we possibly can.

JG: How do you mean colonisation? A lot of these people are invite, weren’t they?

JL: They were invited here against the overwhelming wishes of the British people. We’ve had a two-party state for 100 years in this country, we’ve had no choice in the matter. Every opinion poll taken at the time, when the Empire Windrush came over, people were bitterly opposed to it. It’s 90-something percent, I think, of polls taken at the time. So this has been forced upon us in a completely undemocratic way.

JG: Okay, thanks for your call Nigel. Where do you stand on repatriation? What’s the party’s position on that, is it voluntary now?

JL: It is basically, when we’re in government, we’re going to be offering financial inducements on a purely voluntary basis.

JG: So would you like Britain to return to an all-white society? You, personally.

JL: Errm, I think, well, I don’t think that’s achievable regardless of what we would actually want.

JG: Well what do you want? I mean all politicians dream don’t they?

JL: Mmm. Well I think we should just retain our status as a majority-white country. As recent as 1960, 25% of the world’s population – that’s a quarter – were white Caucasian people. Now, in the world, we’re down to about 15 or 16%. Now that’s going to accelerate isn’t it? Within 100 years we could be wiped off the face of this planet.

JG: Well do you think there’s some kind of conspiracy then, to get rid of white people?

JL: No, it’s not a conspiracy as such. But, well, over the last 100 years it’s become a lot easier, hasn’t it, to travel round the world, with transportation…

JG: Now that’s mostly white people who travel round the world, isn’t it?

JL: Well we’ve also seen third world countries, un-developed countries…

JG: Didn’t we colonise those countries? Can we go to India? The only reason why the Black guy who phoned up earlier, the reason why his ancestors ended up as he said in the West India was because of the slave trade, wasn’t it? He came from Africa, but he doesn’t know whereabouts in Africa he comes from because of what we did, so when you talk about Black and Asian people coming here and colonising us, isn’t that kind of ridiculous?

JL: No. The guy’s {inaudible} we colonise their countries, does that mean we surrender our own sovereignty, our own identity?

JG: ‘Good morning John. Would you ask Julian if the BNP would be happy to have black, Asian or Jewish people as BNP candidates?’ Joel, in Swiss Cottage.

JL: Well we have actually got a Jewish candidate, you know, standing for us in Debden. I was out canvassing for her the other day.

JG: Could a Black person stand?

JL: Err, no because they don’t have a European heritage, whereas Jewish people do.

JG: What makes that different then? And how far back does that heritage have to go?

JL: Errm.

JG: See that’s the thing that I don’t understand. It’s similar to [when I] spoke to Nick Griffin … {JG & JL talk over each other}…

JL: You’re always going to get grey areas when you talk about race…… {JG & JL talk over each other}…

JG: …Well how is a Black person…how long does a Black person ancestors have to have lived in this country to be British? Or can they never be British because of the colour of their skin? Do you see what I mean? {inaudible}… a situation that leads to three generations, or four generations… are you saying they’re never going to be British?

JL: Well it depends on how you define British. It’s something you can argue about all day, isn’t it.

JG: Cause you’re saying [if they] didn’t have European heritage they couldn’t stand [as candidates]?

JL: We’ve had essentially an homogenous population in this country prior to 1950 for a 1,000 years. But post-1950 that’s basically all changed. So when you argue that everyone is as British as each other, I mean it’s not really true is it? I think someone from Oxford university once wrote out that 98% of people who live in this country whose maternal grandparent was born in this country can trace their ancestry back 40,000 years.

JG: Really? Amazing! Elizabeth in Stevenage. Hello Elizabeth!

Elizabeth: Hello John, hello. I would just like to ask your guest there what are his views on the holocaust, and what are his views regarding the Jewish community in this country?

JL: Err, the holocaust. Did it exist? Well, of course it did. We often get accused of being holocaust deniers – that is to say people denying it exist – [of] course it happened. You know, Hitler was an evil genocidal maniac who wrote {inaudible} all over the 20th century.

JG: And do you believe 6 million Jews died?

JL: Err, whether or not it was actually 6 million, or maybe less or more, I don’t know. It’s a matter for historians to debate rather than politicians.

JG: What do you think, though, when people call the BNP a fascist or a Nazi party?

JL: I think it’s just ludicrous. I mean, it’s playground politics. It’s name-calling. It’s people with shallow arguments and…{inaudible} so they resort to name-calling.

JG: [So] they haven’t got a sophisticated kind of political overview?

JL: No, because they can’t really argue and convince me in favour of multicultural society, is because all the evidence suggests that they simply do not work. So they resort to name-calling. Hence the fascist, Nazi, and all little this rubbish.

JG: Does that answer your question?

Elizabeth: No it doesn’t because he has already denied that 6 million Jews… he’s playing around with figures; he’s playing around with numbers. He is what…

JL: …the simple answer is I do not know how many Jews …

Elizabeth: Oh yes? The facts are there if you want to see it. The evidence is there if you want to see it. The bodies were there if you wanted to see them.

JL: Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.

Elizabeth: I beg your pardon?

JL: Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.

Elizabeth: You couldn’t agree more? Well then why do you say it wasn’t 6…

JL: … Hitler and the Nazis were guilty of massive genocide against the Jews in Europe.

Elizabeth: I thought you were a great admirer of the Nazis. So you’ve changed your mind about that then?

JL: You might think that but I certainly don’t.

Elizabeth: You will do anything to get…

JL: … as far as I’m concerned Hitler was an evil genocidal maniac.

Elizabeth: I beg your pardon?

JL: Hitler was an evil genocidal maniac.

Elizabeth: Was he? And I wonder…{ Elizabeth and JL talk over each other}… Hitler was a little man like you before he turned into a genocide maniac. He was a person like you that come on programmes, stood in front of people with very reasonable policies, and once he got into power then he turned into this nasty maniac that you describe. I think people like you would do exactly the same.

JG: Thank you very much indeed…

Elizabeth: I think…

JG: Thank you very much Elizabeth you’ve had your say… ‘John, excellent, you’ve shown this idiot to be a racist’ – they’re talking about you, Julian – ‘don’t waste any more time, he’s talking out his backside. People like him are dragging this country back 100 years. The British Empire no longer exists. Does he not realise that? Regards, Churchy. What do you have to say about that?

JL: Dragging the country back 100 years – 100 years ago we had a reasonably-sized population; we had a stable community; we didn’t have race riots; we didn’t have muggings walking down the street.

JG: What, we didn’t have muggings?

JL: No, muggings… back in the 18th century I think we used to have muggings…

JG: You’re not one of these thick people who actually think, surely Julian you’re not one of these thick people who think ‘oh, life was better in the east end when the Krays were around?’ Are you? Of course there were muggings. Of course there were people getting killed. Of course there were people getting raped. And of course there’s more going on now but you can’t say…

JL: But why has crime increased 4,400% in London since 1950? What has changed since 1950?

JG: [mocking JL] It’s the fact that Black and Asian people are living here! That’s the answer you want isn’t it? Be honest with me – you think if Black are responsible for most of the crime…

JL: There is a disproportionate amount of crime emanating from Black communities. I mean this isn’t racism, you can look up the police statistics. There’s a disproportionate amount of these people in prison.

JG: Do you not think there are other reasons that might contribute to that? Or do you think they’re born evil? Do you think there are, Black people, Black kids, Black boys, determined they’re going to go to school, they’re going to do really well ‘til 11, then their going to turn into right little hoodlums and nick your mobile phone? Or, alternatively, their going to be very good at running. That’s the kind of career-path, is it, for Black colleagues of mine?

JL: I think the reality is you’re a lot safer walking around, say, a suburban white community than you are in somewhere like Hackney or Brixton. That’s not racism that’s a fact of…

JG: Well, it that true? But then you might go to areas of Swansea, for example, which is predominantly white area. Or go to Livingston, in Scotland, where I lived for 2 years, a predominantly white area, and you might get knifed or stabbed there. Is it to do with other social…

JL: You might, but the chances are you’d be a lot safer, perhaps.

JG: No, I don’t think you would though. The crime figures’d probably be the same. [pause] I’ve done Nigel in Harrow, let’s go to Eddie in Hackney. Hello, Eddie.

Eddie: Good morning.

JG: What do you want to say?

Eddie: Urm, I’d ask Mr Leppart, as a white Briton I travel ‘round a lot, and I’ve tried to get this out of many BNP members: Urm, can’t they forsee the problems that would happen… me as a white person travelling abroad, and I enjoy travelling to Africa, Caribbea, and places like that. As a white Briton, don’t you think if my prejudices were acted upon, white Briton’s travelling abroad would also have, would encounter {inaudible} problems…

JL: I don’t think so. I think all the countries and races of the world could get on perfectly well as long as all of us, we grow up safe and secure in our own, sort of, geographical homelands. And British, and their children, all have the right to…

JG: So would you.. {JG & JL talk over each other}…

JL: We could all get on great… all of us…

JG: Okay. If that’s the case then you must agree with then reparations for Black people who were moved forcibly by the slave trade from Africa. Do you?

JL: The slave trade – we’re often made to feel guilty about the slave trade but what people forget about the slave trade is the slave trade was actually started by Black Africans.

JG: Yes, but we turned it into a great industry. But no my question to you is this - {JG & JL talk over each other}…

JL: … very short period of history… {JG & JL talk over each other}…we ended the slave trade… now it’s been brought back today by Africans.

JG: Yes, but this goes back to the point Julian; you said that there’s plenty of room for everyone to be in their own areas. But therefore Africans who ended up in the West Indies, surely you must agree that they should be paid compensation to go back to Africa? Because that’s their area. Do you?

JL: That’s what we’re proposing. I mean…

JG: No, no, you’re proposing repatriation from this country back to the Caribbean, but I’m suggesting that all those people who we took from Africa to the Caribbean – and there’s been a big call for this of course – they should get reparations. They should get money. Do you agree?

JL: No. All sorts of awful things have happened in history. You can’t carry on saying reparations..

JG: Okay. ‘Hi John, two questions…

JL: …wouldn’t you.

JG: Okay. ‘7.9% of the population is of ethnic minority, Julian. Why is it that you feel that under 8% of the entire UK population is a major contributor to crime and traffic problems in London?

JL: Well, if you look at the ratio. The ratio’s in crime and, I mean it’s hard to get away from the fact that there is a disproportionate amount of crime emanating from the…

JG: Okay, and the final question from Pete on this email: ‘why is it Julian that you believe that Black people are more likely to commit crime? Do you think they are genetically disposed to that kind of behaviour?’

JL: Err, perhaps this is a question you should be putting to a scientist, I don’t know.

JG: But you’re the man who’s standing for this party. You want to send Black criminals – I put it in inverted commas – home. So do you believe they’re more genetically disposed? You think they’re genetically pre-disposed to be good runners because you told us that earlier, do you think they are genetically pre-disposed to be criminals? Black males.

JL: Err, no. No, I mean, no I think that would be a bit of a generalisation.

JG: How well do you think you’re going to do in the election?

JL: I think, err, if there’s going to be a shock in this election I think I’ve got a descent outside chance of winning it, and as I say there’s going to be a shock I should be the candidate providing it.

JG: And finally people who say they won’t share a platform with you, people like Steve Norris?

JL: Cowards.

JG: Why are they cowards?

JL: He hides behind his pathetic, you know, stance of his moral indignation. He just won’t debate with me basically. Steven Norris is basically a deep red liberal dressed up as a Tory, he’s not even genuine Conservative as far as I’m concerned.

JG: Thank you very much Julian Leppart, BNP candidate to be mayor of London.

 

[Sean]

Found while looking for something else.

 

[Peregrinator]

Found while looking for something else.

That interview reads a bit like busybody.