It's a catastrophe for the apostrophe in Britain

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Instead of training children in proper English, they apparently just decided to use improper Emglish instead. Comment?

It's a catastrophe for the apostrophe in Britain

LONDON – On the streets of Birmingham, the queen's English is now the queens English.

England's second-largest city has decided to drop apostrophes from all its street signs, saying they're confusing and old-fashioned.

But some purists are downright possessive about the punctuation mark.

It seems that Birmingham officials have been taking a hammer to grammar for years, quietly dropping apostrophes from street signs since the 1950s. Through the decades, residents have frequently launched spirited campaigns to restore the missing punctuation to signs denoting such places as "St. Pauls Square" or "Acocks Green."

This week, the council made it official, saying it was banning the punctuation mark from signs in a bid to end the dispute once and for all.

Councilor Martin Mullaney, who heads the city's transport scrutiny committee, said he decided to act after yet another interminable debate into whether "Kings Heath," a Birmingham suburb, should be rewritten with an apostrophe.

"I had to make a final decision on this," he said Friday. "We keep debating apostrophes in meetings and we have other things to do."

Mullaney hopes to stop public campaigns to restore the apostrophe that would tell passers-by that "Kings Heath" was once owned by the monarchy.

"Apostrophes denote possessions that are no longer accurate, and are not needed," he said. "More importantly, they confuse people. If I want to go to a restaurant, I don't want to have an A-level (high school diploma) in English to find it."

But grammarians say apostrophes enrich the English language.

"They are such sweet-looking things that play a crucial role in the English language," said Marie Clair of the Plain English Society, which campaigns for the use of simple English. "It's always worth taking the effort to understand them, instead of ignoring them."

Mullaney claimed apostrophes confuse GPS units, including those used by emergency services. But Jenny Hodge, a spokeswoman for satellite navigation equipment manufacturer TomTom, said most users of their systems navigate through Britain's sometime confusing streets by entering a postal code rather than a street address.

She said that if someone preferred to use a street name — with or without an apostrophe — punctuation wouldn't be an issue. By the time the first few letters of the street were entered, a list of matching choices would pop up and the user would choose the destination.

A test by The Associated Press backed this up. In a search for London street St. Mary's Road, the name popped up before the apostrophe had to be entered.

There is no national body responsible for regulating place names in Britain. Its main mapping agency, Ordnance Survey, which provides data for emergency services, takes its information from local governments and each one is free to decide how it uses punctuation.

"If councils decide to add or drop an apostrophe to a place name, we just update our data," said Ordnance Survey spokesman Paul Beauchamp. "We've never heard of any confusion arising from their existence."

To sticklers, a missing or misplaced apostrophe can be a major offense.

British grammarians have railed for decades against storekeepers' signs advertising the sale of "apple's and pear's," or pubs offering "chip's and pea's."

In her best-selling book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves," Lynne Truss recorded her fury at the title of the Hugh Grant-Sandra Bullock comedy "Two Weeks Notice," insisting it should be "Two Weeks' Notice."

"Those spineless types who talk about abolishing the apostrophe are missing the point, and the pun is very much intended," she wrote.
 
Let me just weep for a second.

*sniff*

Ok. Next up: dowereallyneedspaces?theyrenotreallytherewhenwetalkanyway.
 
<from someone who lives too close to Birmingham for comfort...>
I'm amazed the Brummies can read the signs at all, no matter what punctuation or grammar is used. </bitchy comments>

Seriously though, how lazy and dim do you have to be to get confused by an apostrophe?

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I'd rather see no apostrophe that an incorrectly used one - so maybe they have the right idea!
 
It's a sad day when the English give up on English :(

It's going to end up like American if you aren't careful :eek:
 
If you had to drive along the US highways, you wouldn't ask.

As a member of the Education Industry I know how difficult it is to try to teach the bloody things. Don't get me wrong, I love the apostrophe but many people just don't get it. So, as I said before use it properly or don't use it at all.
 
If you had to drive along the US highways, you wouldn't ask.

I've never had problems with U.S. highways. Been gallivanting all over this country in my car without an issue, at least in regards to what's *on* the signs. The locations of the signs are a completely different beast.

As a member of the Education Industry I know how difficult it is to try to teach the bloody things. Don't get me wrong, I love the apostrophe but many people just don't get it. So, as I said before use it properly or don't use it at all.

What I don't understand is what's so hard to understand about them. But that's me...
 
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I've never had problems with U.S. highways. Been gallivanting all over this country in my car without an issue, at least in regards to what's *on* the signs. The locations of the signs are a completely different beast.

Never any problems here, either, and I've driven the eastern half of the country extensively...including two round trips to Canada from here. Not hard at all.
 
I've never had problems with U.S. highways. Been gallivanting all over this country in my car without an issue, at least in regards to what's *on* the signs. The locations of the signs are a completely different beast.



What I don't understand is what's so hard to understand about them. But that's me...

I don't get it either but apparently many get confused!
 
Maybe if there's a Litogether in England it could be one of the events to go out and spray paint as many apostrophes in place as you can. There could be prizes! :D
 
Yes or spray out the inappropriate ones.

I am *so* the ringleader for that game!!!

Apostrophe afficionados hear this - gather all ye who wish to improve standards of punctuation and come hither to Birmingham.

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Consevative!!!

Some people cant move forward for new writing techniques or a new way of thinking.... conservative are everywhere and in any topic.
 
Some people cant move forward for new writing techniques or a new way of thinking.... conservative are everywhere and in any topic.

and some can't spell "conservative," either. :rolleyes:

eta: if you choose to appear ignorant and uneducated (as evidenced by the above), we certainly won't try to stop you.
 
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I am *so* the ringleader for that game!!!

Apostrophe afficionados hear this - gather all ye who wish to improve standards of punctuation and come hither to Birmingham.

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Get it organized and we'll get going!
 
I used to live just down the road from the SC town of Moncks Corner.

"The Town of Moncks Corner, named for landowner Thomas Monck, dates back to 1728. It began as a trading post with a few taverns and stores. The Northeastern Railroad laid its tracks in 1856 and the train depot became the center of a new Town of Moncks Corner."

The name is the official SC spelling for the town name, with no apostrophe. It's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It's not the only example in SC.
 
I am *so* the ringleader for that game!!!

Apostrophe afficionados hear this - gather all ye who wish to improve standards of punctuation and come hither to Birmingham.

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I organised the first Lit-together in the UK and sure as hell I'd come to support this one (note the apostrophe in "I'd")...

Yorkshire is best, but that aside, I have nothing against Brum - and would come like a shot.

NB If you can get someone from abroad, whether Europe or US, to come, the chances of a good Lit-together to celebrate good punctuation is definitely enhanced. On the same note, give a personal invitation to Ogg. He also adds attraction to the locals and non-locals, just make sure he brings the cake! :D
 
"Apostrophes denote possessions that are no longer accurate, and are not needed," he said. "More importantly, they confuse people. If I want to go to a restaurant, I don't want to have an A-level (high school diploma) in English to find it."

WTF? You learn about apostrophe's in primary school what the hell do A-levels have to do with it? Why don't they just spell "Heath" as "Heeth" then, just dilute the whole thing down so that people won't have to go to sixth form to learn basic spelling and grammar. Jesus...:rolleyes:
 
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