Important Subforum Vote

[WickedEve]

Vote to:

1. Keep the Hangout.

2. Get Rid of the Hangout, which will leave the poetry forum, with only the main forum.


Your vote will decide the fate of the Hangout and once the decision is made it is final and, hopefully, it will end further arguments

To have a subforum has a value to this forum. It adds to the flexibility, it adds options. It'd be totally irrational and foolish to give up on such a nice, extra construction. This shouldn't even be under any discussion.

The discussion should be about an optimal usage of the subforum, not about having it or not.

The first usage was for serious analyzing of some poems. It had to misfire because there was not strategy to it, so it was not really different from any other discussions about specific poems. It's not enough to declare that a thread is going to be serious. You need a strategy, and only then you can be serious by sticking to it.

So, that version of subforum has died. It was great that mods didn't give up on the goodie which PF&D got, that they have redefined the subforum instead of letting it go to waste. And they have proposed that things which are too far removed from poetry would go to the subforum. They have expected only a positive attitude from the participants. Now they know better. The forum is a living organism with a history which for several of us goes back about seven years (even if this forum existed a bit longer than that). Nothing here is perfectly mathematically crystal and sterile. We have yin & yang everywhere. That gave enough of a pretext for several participants to go nuts. To me a subforum is just adding to the environmental flexibility here, but some guys just have released their hostility on this occasion. Guys, think positive, think constructive.

Instead of talking about an amputation, let's do a good, intensive brain storming about *** HOW *** to use the subforum to the greatest satisfaction of the participants.

Regards,

 

[champagne1982]

I voted. I just closed my eyes and picked because, quite frankly, I will still post to those threads I love and critique the occassional newbie poem that strikes my interest and create poetry when the mood washes over... It doesn't matter.

 

[Angeline]

I voted. I just closed my eyes and picked because, quite frankly, I will still post to those threads I love and critique the occassional newbie poem that strikes my interest and create poetry when the mood washes over... It doesn't matter.

Yeah, at this point I really don't care anymore. I still think the Hangout is a good idea and am not wild about poem threads that clog up (even if by me) with chatty, flirty stuff. But nothing is worth all this fuss.

 

[annaswirls]

I think that all of the threads in both section have their place, and neither is really more important than the other. I just do not understand the concept of keeping it separate, as the individual threads can each have their own flavor or level of off-topic interaction.

Separating it is confusing and adds an extra step, why not just scroll through the list of threads and stop where you want, there are more than enough for any possible preference.

Nuff said. Of course, whatever goes goes, it is not that important in the big picture (or even the small picture)

~A

 

[Angeline]

I think that all of the threads in both section have their place, and neither is really more important than the other. I just do not understand the concept of keeping it separate, as the individual threads can each have their own flavor or level of off-topic interaction.

Separating it is confusing and adds an extra step, why not just scroll through the list of threads and stop where you want, there are more than enough for any possible preference.

Nuff said. Of course, whatever goes goes, it is not that important in the big picture (or even the small picture)

~A

I thought it was helping. Some people don't like having to page through stuff to find poetry. Some think the other stuff can inspire more poetry. I'm fine with whatever we all decide, but I do hope that if we go back to one forum that some threads will remain like the passion one, not a lot of non-poeming.

 

[WickedEve]

I'm stealing Hugo's computer for a minute.
I agree, it's not a big deal anymore. Some want it, some don't. We have to have this vote before we can do anything. We certainly can't request to have the hangout deleted if the majority want it. I hope when it's over, we have one or two forums that get back to something resembling normal.

 

[WickedEve]

I thought it was helping. Some people don't like having to page through stuff to find poetry. Some think the other stuff can inspire more poetry. I'm fine with whatever we all decide, but I do hope that if we go back to one forum that some threads will remain like the passion one, not a lot of non-poeming.

I do like that part about having the hangout. Less clutter when you're looking for a "poetry" thread.
What do you mean about the passion thread? The suddenly passion thread? some threads will continue to be cleaned out and kept on topic, just like the OPs' requested. Even if we end up with one forum, we'll still have on-topic poetry threads, if the OP states that's what he/she wants. If someone doesn't like it, then they start their own poetry/chat thread -- which is a lot of what's in the hangout.
I honestly feel more comfortable making some threads here in the hangout. Maybe that's just me.

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

I do like that part about having the hangout. Less clutter when you're looking for a "poetry" thread.

i agree.

I honestly feel more comfortable making some threads here in the hangout. Maybe that's just me.

it's not just you.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

I'm with Carrie, either way I'm good. I post where I want to, Hangout or Forum it's all the same to me. There's always the "subscribe" option to keep tabs on things.

 

[hmmnmm]

The good lord has laid upon my head a hangover. The discomfort is profound. Yet it would have to be profound because I was shown a great glade equally profound while walking on the road of reddish wine. This is not the time or the place to deliver the sermon (not a preachy sermon, a good sermon, a sermon to inspire and to give abundant globs of goodness upon upturned faces and other parts, within and without), but maybe just this: the Internet, the very nature of the Internet, tempts division.

Ouch.

The divisions themselves are neither good or bad (another Continuum!). They just are. It just is. That way. If this was my baby, I might entertain a beautiful vision that it should grow and be as it is, and enact a mostly Hands-off policy. That would be Ideal. Unfortunately, Reality can force the idealist to consider modification as unexpected developments take their turns. So it is not hard at all to see the developing pattern and think "maybe this Thing that grows would benefit with a touch of organization." But you can't know for sure. Can't. Until you try. Maybe you try it. And the Creature squirms and screams. Not happy. Or maybe the Creature looks around, nods its many heads, and say, 'yeah, good idea; was getting little cluttered. Thanks!'

But maybe some of the Creature's heads are elsewhere. They are thinking about all the wonderful ways to look upon... well all kinds of wonderful worlds. They really don't care.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Okay.

The good lord just sent a message that it is time to cease this post composition.

I didn't vote.

Because it's like voting to lick a bushy pussy or a bald pussy. No preference. Happy to lick either.

Or both.

Ouch.

Amen.

 

[darkmaas]

I voted against although I agree with Hmmnmm's charming analysis. The hangout may have been a good idea but it has been far too divisive to be worth saving. Besides, who in their right mind wants to have to shuffle other people's posts like chamber pots back and forth. That's why we have flush toilets which, along with iambic pentameter, sets us apart from chimps with typewriters.


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[sassynyc]

i'm fine with either result. to me, this is the difference between a one-level or split-level house. where a thread is located doesn't effect whether i post or not. i look forward to this all being settled, period, because at the moment, one level or two, this house doesn't feel much like home anymore.

 

[WickedEve]

I voted against although I agree with Hmmnmm's charming analysis. The hangout may have been a good idea but it has been far too divisive to be worth saving. Besides, who in their right mind wants to have to shuffle other people's posts like chamber pots back and forth. That's why we have flush toilets which, along with iambic pentameter, sets us apart from chimps with typewriters.


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OH, chamber pots. I'm writing a poem and I shall include a chamber pot!

 

[hmmnmm]

Well, you had an idea. You went forth and did it. In some ways the reality supported the idea's merits and in other ways suggested that it was a good idea with best intention but reality didn't completely agree. Trust me, I enjoy very close relationship with this very struggle.

I don't how it would hurt too much to just try it the other way. A couple weeks. A month. Recall this way and compare: which was the best way for the most concerned? You'd probably have your answer well before the northern hemisphere's snows turn to liquid.

 

[hmmnmm]

By the way, you can believe this wonderful coincidence or not. But it was just mere minutes ago, I was resting, recuperating, and the word 'typewriter' appeared. And along with the word was a voice, not an audible but a voice nonetheless. It said, "if you were a real writer you would have a typewriter and you would use it. Why don't you have a fucking typewriter?"

I had no immediate answer, because the word and the voice gave the concept a lot of attraction. Of course those voices can also read minds, and this one quickly penalized when it saw I lumped all typewriters together.

It then said, "No. Don't be a pussy. Not just any typewriter. A manual typewriter. High keys. Bang bang bang. Clack clack clack. Work for it. Think. You have a terrible backspace habit. Manual. To Compose on. Then. And only then, transfer it to the computer."

So yeah. Good call on the Typewriter. They're cool.

 

[Angeline]

Well, you had an idea. You went forth and did it. In some ways the reality supported the idea's merits and in other ways suggested that it was a good idea with best intention but reality didn't completely agree. Trust me, I enjoy very close relationship with this very struggle.

I don't how it would hurt too much to just try it the other way. A couple weeks. A month. Recall this way and compare: which was the best way for the most concerned? You'd probably have your answer well before the northern hemisphere's snows turn to liquid.

Well my dear the voting is up for two weeks and if the majority don't want a Hangout, that'll be the end of it. I just want to move forward and hope others will as well. Like I said before, nothing is worth all this fuss and pain. People who have nothing to do with this and no preference even have been hurt. And I am hurt by that. Personally I think all this is much more about personalities than about the creation of the Hangout.

Champ said something that really stuck with me: that both Eve and I would likely be just as happy (or happier) not moderating the forum, but writing poetry and giving feedback and all that we've always done here. She didn't use our names, but I understood her point and she's right. On the other hand, I really think people who believe an unmoderated forum is the way to go should spend a few weeks posting on the General Board and then think about whether that's what they'd like the poetry forum to be. I don't think I could stay here if it were, but that's just me.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

OH, chamber pots. I'm writing a poem and I shall include a chamber pot!

Found Eve's chamberpot and was shocked .....

 

[WickedEve]

Found Eve's chamberpot and was shocked .....

Did you use it?

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Did you use it?

*Thinks should I say it? no no I shouldn't but oooh so so tempted*

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

*Thinks should I say it? no no I shouldn't but oooh so so tempted*

How you say? Gazunder?

 

[Senna Jawa]

Vote to:

1. Keep the Hangout.

2. Get Rid of the Hangout, which will leave the poetry forum, with only the main forum.


Your vote will decide the fate of the Hangout and once the decision is made it is final and, hopefully, it will end further arguments

To have a subforum has a value to this forum. It adds to the flexibility, it adds options. It'd be totally irrational and foolish to give up on such a nice, extra construction. This shouldn't even be under any discussion.

The discussion should be about an optimal usage of the subforum, not about having it or not.

The first usage was for serious analyzing of some poems. It had to misfire because there was no strategy to it, so it was not really different from any other discussions about specific poems. It's not enough to declare that a thread is going to be serious. You need a strategy, and only then you can be serious by sticking to it.

So, that version of subforum has died. It was great that mods didn't give up on the goodie which PF&D got, that they have redefined the subforum instead of letting it go to waste. And they have proposed that things which are too far removed from poetry would go to the subforum. They have expected only a positive attitude from the participants. Now they know better. The forum is a living organism with a history which for several of us goes back about seven years (even if this forum existed a bit longer than that). Nothing here is perfectly mathematically crystal and sterile. We have yin & yang everywhere. That gave enough of a pretext for several participants to go nuts. To me a subforum is just adding to the environmental flexibility here, but some guys just have released their hostility on this occasion. Guys, think positive, think constructive.

Instead of talking about an amputation, let's do a good, intensive brain storming about *** HOW *** to use the subforum to the greatest satisfaction of the participants.

Regards,

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

Guys, think positive, think constructive.

Who are you? This can't be Senna.

Instead of talking about an amputation, let's do a good, intensive brain storming about *** HOW *** to use the subforum to the greatest satisfaction of the participants.

Regards,

You made some excellent points about making the most of the subforum. I'm curious if you have any specific suggestions.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

How you say? Gazunder?

Gazunder the bed yes but actually what I had been tempted to say was 'piss off' but of course I won't .....

 

[WickedEve]

Senna, I added your excellent post to the original post.

 

[Angeline]

Senna, I added your excellent post to the original post.

It's the most rational thing I've heard yet about this subforum. And that includes everything I've said. Senna never fails to surprise me though when I think about it, it's a pretty characteristic thing for him to say.