Wow, can you imagine if the genders were reversed in this video?

[Le Jacquelope]

http://www.youtube.com/v/_F2md4uGmMU&hl=en&fs=1

Women all over the country would be boycotting this company.

Pity we can't put the producers of this ad, and the idiots who think it's funny, into a dark dungeon with only dog food to eat...

 

[Miss_Misaki]

Am I a sexist?

I do think it's funny. D:

What's wrong with me? And can I be cured?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I do think it's funny. D:

Of course you do... it's about guys getting overly punished for petty bullshit.

Like I said... it wouldn't be funny if it were women being treated like that.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I have to give kudos to one of the few intelligent responses to this pathetic ad...

http://gawker.com/5107181/jcpenneys-offensive-prison-for-men

Trixie from Toronto
7:05 AM on Thu Dec 11 2008

I never like situations in which, if the genders were reversed, people would not only be fired but would never be hired again. It's sexist in the obvious way but also for what it says about women -- that we are consumed with getting the perfect material goods from our men and turn diabolical shrew if we don't get what we want. How evolved.

 

[Miss_Misaki]

I didn't think the part about the wives throwing their husbands down the hole was funny. I thought the overacted drama of the men, and the cheesy, almost nonexistant plug for the jewelry company was funny.

I was sure the whole thing was fake. There's no way this can be for a real company. It's too long, and it's so PIC (politically incorrect) that it's funny (hence why I think it's funny).

I think it would be just as funny if it showed men doing the same thing to women. Honestly I would.


Sexist Sleazeball Scenario: take 2 (the man side)
Hubby: So honey, I had such a hard day at work today. My feet are killing me. What's for dinner?"

Wifey: Oh, I went out with my friends today and didn't have time to make dinner. Why don't you heat up some soup or a frozen pizza or something?

Hubby: Soup? You want me to eat soup?!

Husband drags wife to doghouse, pushes her in. Same scene occurs, except that she falls onto a big pile of bread loaves. All the women around her start yipping and yapping at her like hyperactive chihuahuas. Everyone can be seen making sandwiches with various meats, cheeses, and a scant selection of veggies.

Wifey: Oof! Whuh? Where am I?

Keesha: Girl, you in the doghouse. Your man is DISS-satisfied.

Wifey: I don't understand. All I did was ask him to fix himself some soup or a pizza.

Keesha: Hear that, ladies? She just asked him to fix something!

Other Wives: *cackling and shaking heads*

Wifey: I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

Keesha: Let me tell you a little something about a man and his dinner, honey. When a man comes home from work, he's hungry, right?

Wifey: right...

Keesha: Well, look at Bonnie over there. She told her man to order some Chinese take-out.

Wifey: what's wrong with-

Bonnie: But honey! You work there! You get a discount! Wahahahah!

Keesha: It's all a question of duty, you see? If a man believes you aren't doin' your duty right, he sends you here until you do.

Wifey: So, when does that happen?

Keesha: Hard to say, sister. Hard to say. I been tryin' for weeks, myself.

Flashback to one of Keesha's hearings. The three men are watching the footage of her and her husband, James. Keesha is going through some of her husband's old sports memorabilia and other "junk," and deciding to throw some of it out to clear out some space in the attic. She throws away most of his old high school football jerseys, some sports cards, a bunch of comic books, and some other things that aren't shown. Next we see him yelling at the top of his lungs when he goes to the attic and finds all his treasures gone.

Judge 1: I think we've seen enough.

Keesha: *gulp*

Judge 2: So Keesha, do you think you deserve to return to James? After what we just saw, I honestly would recommend keeping you here for years, but it's not just up to me.

Keesha: Yes sir. I was wrong, and I'll never do it again. My baby's things were precious to him, and I was a terrible wife. I would NEVER do something so wrong to him again!

Judge 1: You'd only throw away real junk, right? Like say, rotten leftovers and boxers with holes in them.

Keesha: Right! I mean... I mean no! I wouldn't throw away those boxers! I wouldn't... throw them away...

Judge 2: Right... I think we've heard enough. Work on making us those sammiches, Keesha.

She breaks down crying as she realizes she's been tricked, and she's failed her hearing. Her husband shakes his head sadly. Next we see her sobbing in the arms of our Wifey, who's looking very disturbed right now.

Keesha: Did I fool you?

Wifey: huh? You were?

Keesha: Didn't fool them. My next hearing isn't for another three weeks.

Wifey: Didn't anyone ever make it out?

Keesha: One woman did. Her name was Stacey.

Keesha pulls the rock out of the wall and shows the picture of Stacey and her husband to Wifey. Her husband is ogling a dirty magazine and is totally ignoring his wife.

Keesha: we still don't know how she did it.

The scene fades and the real ad begins. Simple, white text reads "don't get thrown in the doghouse. Get your man a subscription to Penthouse!"

That's how it'd be if it was switched around. I still think it's just as funny. I'm not a sexist... I'm just insensitive, lol.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

That's how it'd be if it was switched around. I still think it's just as funny. I'm not a sexist... I'm just insensitive, lol.

It's not so much about whether it's funny... both scenarios are funny... it's that the one you posted would have gotten that company's CEO fired and then his home address posted and then his house burned down and and and...

 

[Miss_Misaki]

It's not so much about whether it's funny... both scenarios are funny... it's that the one you posted would have gotten that company's CEO fired and then his home address posted and then his house burned down and and and...

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Double standards suck. It's like the whole "hitting a woman" thing. It's socially unacceptable for a man to hit a woman, even if that woman hits him first. It isn't fair, but it's much easier for a man to face legal action for it than it is for a woman if she hits a man.

Still, there's bias on both sides. I feel kind of ashamed though, because I can't think of any examples to oppose the ones I just mentioned, lol.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Double standards suck. It's like the whole "hitting a woman" thing. It's socially unacceptable for a man to hit a woman, even if that woman hits him first. It isn't fair, but it's much easier for a man to face legal action for it than it is for a woman if she hits a man.

Still, there's bias on both sides. I feel kind of ashamed though, because I can't think of any examples to oppose the ones I just mentioned, lol.

There is an example... Disney. How many mothers have they killed for the purposes of establishing a story line? I don't buy their home-grown crap, I don't rent it, I pirate it if I want to see their stuff at all. Disney imports a lot of Japanese stuff but I already have that beforehand, so I've no reason to give them a dime. I'll take my kids to Six Flags or Universal Studios first.

 

[rengadeirishman]

wel just keep in mind that in todays world, men are meaningless. Even our old stronghold, soldiering, we share with women now.

I always chuckle when i hear women say "without women, there would be no men!" to which i, without fail, reply, "so you impregnate yourselves then?"

 

[Wyldfire]

Damn you LeJack, I agree with you on this one. I think either version would be funny though. But you're right, if a female version of this went out there would be a lynching.

 

[slyc_willie]

http://www.youtube.com/v/_F2md4uGmMU&hl=en&fs=1

Women all over the country would be boycotting this company.

Pity we can't put the producers of this ad, and the idiots who think it's funny, into a dark dungeon with only dog food to eat...

Le Jack . . . .

LOL

If you think this is bullshit, then you don't know what a relationship is.

*snerk*

There is an alternate out there. It's been splashed across the media in the form of such shows as Home Improvement, the Man Show, and others.

Please, Jack, don't feel like you need to tuck your penis between your legs, just understand that you need to grow up.

 

[Wyldfire]

Le Jack . . . .

LOL

If you think this is bullshit, then you don't know what a relationship is.

*snerk*

There is an alternate out there. It's been splashed across the media in the form of such shows as Home Improvement, the Man Show, and others.

Please, Jack, don't feel like you need to tuck your penis between your legs, just understand that you need to grow up.

Sorry, but I do see his point on this one single point. Womens' rights groups would rise up and Lynch those who made women look like they deserved to be punished for a gift.

Look at the demographic of the shows you mentioned. (I'm a freak I know, I liked the Man Show and almost auditioned to be one of the girls on it. I'd have no problem jumping on a trampolin on camera.)

Home Improvement lost it's relevence after the third time he made the ape sounds. Even men hated that crap. Manswers has me giggling currently. I have to look at that one and wonder what woman was behind it to make men seem so simpleminded.

 

[slyc_willie]

Sorry, but I do see his point on this one single point. Womens' rights groups would rise up and Lynch those who made women look like they deserved to be punished for a gift.

Look at the demographic of the shows you mentioned. (I'm a freak I know, I liked the Man Show and almost auditioned to be one of the girls on it. I'd have no problem jumping on a trampolin on camera.)

Home Improvement lost it's relevence after the third time he made the ape sounds. Even men hated that crap. Manswers has me giggling currently. I have to look at that one and wonder what woman was behind it to make men seem so simpleminded.

I'd say you're in the minority, then, among women.

I see his point, as well. He's offended with the idea that women are perceived to have such a dramatic and controlling influence over men. Um . . . d'uh.

The only thing I got from that video was the stereotypical view of women as 'household maintenance.'

Let's reverse the roles and see a video in which men are given video game consoles, power tools, and a legion of busty beauties in water-soluable T-shirts washing their muscle cars. Then show the reactions of their girlfriends or wives.

A relationship is nothing without equal consideration and respectability.

 

[Wyldfire]

I'd say you're in the minority, then, among women.

I see his point, as well. He's offended with the idea that women are perceived to have such a dramatic and controlling influence over men. Um . . . d'uh.

The only thing I got from that video was the stereotypical view of women as 'household maintenance.'

Let's reverse the roles and see a video in which men are given video game consoles, power tools, and a legion of busty beauties in water-soluable T-shirts washing their muscle cars. Then show the reactions of their girlfriends or wives.

A relationship is nothing without equal consideration and respectability.

I see your point as well hun. I posted a reply to the second link he posted, telling of my screw up that SHOULD have put me in the female version of the doghouse.

My husband accepted the gift with an applomb I wouldn't have thought him capable of and gently showed me the error in my ways and managed to make light of it. I let him fire off the acceptable "You're just a girl" attitude, because I had earned it.

 

[Wyldfire]

Let's reverse the roles and see a video in which men are given video game consoles, power tools, and a legion of busty beauties in water-soluable T-shirts washing their muscle cars. Then show the reactions of their girlfriends or wives.

Oh no doubt women would lose their minds. But again in the minority I have paid for my man to get a lap dance from a coworker just because I knew they both were big on the idea. Hell, I'd of let them bag each other but neither had the moxi to try.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I always chuckle when i hear women say "without women, there would be no men!" to which i, without fail, reply, "so you impregnate yourselves then?"

*ROTFLMAO* You owe me a new monitor, dude.

I'm all for women in the military - just nix the girly pushups, etc.

Le Jack . . . .

LOL

If you think this is bullshit, then you don't know what a relationship is.

*snerk*

There is an alternate out there. It's been splashed across the media in the form of such shows as Home Improvement, the Man Show, and others.

Please, Jack, don't feel like you need to tuck your penis between your legs, just understand that you need to grow up.

Well, when women get thrown in a dungeon for giving a guy an improper gift on the Man Show and Home Improvement, then by all means I'll "grow up" which you probably meant as, "Don't complain about sexism".

I say to you, wake up.

Oh, and I also say fuck Home Improvement and give me an MP5 to gun down the crew who make "The Man Show". I hate that show. I don't watch it or the networks that peddle that bullshit. I avoid Spike TV because it utterly insults me as a man by appealing to men's basest and most pathetic instincts.

Dude, don't get me started on the Little Boys Show. Just... don't.

I'd say you're in the minority, then, among women.

I see his point, as well. He's offended with the idea that women are perceived to have such a dramatic and controlling influence over men. Um . . . d'uh.

The only thing I got from that video was the stereotypical view of women as 'household maintenance.'

If I have to choose between being given, say, a power tool for Christmas with the expectation that I'll build a new room for our adopted daughter, I'd rather build the friggin room than be stuck in a dungeon eating only dog food.

The woman's reaction to being viewed as "household maintenance" was far worse than the man's deed.

It would be like me kidnapping Maureen Dowd and locking her up in the sewer. With Ann Coulter as a cell mate. Hmmm... wait a second...

Let's reverse the roles and see a video in which men are given video game consoles, power tools, and a legion of busty beauties in water-soluable T-shirts washing their muscle cars. Then show the reactions of their girlfriends or wives.

The reaction to that would be.... um, well, let's just replace feminazi's with zombies and you'd have the bum rush scene from "I Am Legend" at the company's gates.

A relationship is nothing without equal consideration and respectability.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[boutrosboutros]

Come on, there are plenty of tongue-in-cheek jibes at women going on in the world of advertising, at least in Britain. Like Yorkie 'men only' chocolate bars, for example. The adverts revolve around women dressing up like men and trying to buy the chocolate, but being found out and then turned away for being girls, who aren't tough enough to eat it. It's funny, and nobody complains because they know it's a joke.

People just need to be able to laugh at themselves a little more.

 

[Liar]

Well, when women get thrown in a dungeon for giving a guy an improper gift on the Man Show and Home Improvement, then by all means I'll "grow up" which you probably meant as, "Don't complain about sexism".

Heh, I watched the same clip and that's not what I reacted to. I saw two clichés portrayed: The good hearted but slightly clueless man, and the over-bearing, high mainteneance, control freak woman. Male bashing? Nah.

And I've seen one or two episodes of The Man Show, and besides it being pretty boring, all I saw was two goofy "dude" clichés making self deprecating skits about being sexist males.

I'm guessing irony is lost on some people.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Come on, there are plenty of tongue-in-cheek jibes at women going on in the world of advertising, at least in Britain. Like Yorkie 'men only' chocolate bars, for example. The adverts revolve around women dressing up like men and trying to buy the chocolate, but being found out and then turned away for being girls, who aren't tough enough to eat it. It's funny, and nobody complains because they know it's a joke.

People just need to be able to laugh at themselves a little more.

That's pathetic, yeah, but the women aren't then thrown into a dungeon and forced to eat dog food for the rest of their lives.

I wouldn't have bothered with it if it weren't for the dungeon part. That is what separates this commercial from the riff raff.

Heh, I watched the same clip and that's not what I reacted to. I saw two clichés portrayed: The good hearted but slightly clueless man, and the over-bearing, high mainteneance, control freak woman. Male bashing? Nah.

Well, you have a point - in a rational world, it would be seen as portraying women in an evil light. That's what that one woman poster said about it.

But over-bearing, high mainteneance, control freak women aren't given hell by society. Hell, nobody even lifts a finger to stop one of these Godzillas when they come stomping through some guy's life.

For instance, I just watched "This Christmas", a movie in which this black woman pours baby oil on the bathroom tiles so her cheating husband slips and falls when he comes out of the shower. Aside from the fact that he could have busted his head open, she turns right around and beats him with a belt. If a guy had done that to a woman because she cheated on him, man, that's felony domestic violence right there. But this was supposed to be funny because it was a guy who was the victim. Oh, and she also drove his car into the Los Angeles River aqueduct.

In real life, a guy does sometimes get his ass beat bad for cheating on his wife, usually not by her bare hands, but by a weapon she used against him. Do people see her as a violent crazy woman? Nope. In fact I could point out one or two people from the Author's Hangout who I bet would want to shoot the man dead if he filed charges against her. If he did file charges, the courts would throw his case out. They don't see her as a violent crazy woman - they see her as a victim of infidelity. That's why there is a "Violence Against Women Act" but no "Violence Against Men Act".

Likewise. The world doesn't see the woman in that advertisement as an overbearing control freak. The world doesn't see false imprisonment. The world doesn't see torture and forced malnutrition.

I'll tell you what they do see. They see "girl power".

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I now contribute money to men's rights groups.

And I've seen one or two episodes of The Man Show, and besides it being pretty boring, all I saw was two goofy "dude" clichés making self deprecating skits about being sexist males.

I'm guessing irony is lost on some people.

This depicts men in a very poor light, and I've seen men who behave like this toward women. I've even seen guys make bets on who's going to get in a woman's pants back at college, which is something I also recall seeing on the Man Show.

If their intent is to make fun of sexist males, all they've succeeded in doing is drawing sexist males as an audience. It seems more like a rallying point instead of a giant bug zapper.

 

[Liar]

They don't see her as a violent crazy woman - they see her as a victim of infidelity. That's why there is a "Violence Against Women Act" but no "Violence Against Men Act".

Could also be, and I'm just taking a wild guess here, because the former is way more common than the latter?

Doesn't make it any less sexist though. One big fat "Violence" act should take care of it all. "§1 Just don't hit people, dammit. Seriously, what the fuck?"

Likewise. The world doesn't see the woman in that advertisement as an overbearing control freak. The world doesn't see false imprisonment. The world doesn't see torture and forced malnutrition.

I'd just like to say that the world doesn't end west of LA and east of NY. The majority over here would see it the way I did. But also, we wouldn't see "torture and forced malnutrition". We'd see a silly TV skit, chuckle if it's funny enough, get on with our lives, and reserve the right to have a bug up our asses about things that matter. Like, y'know, domestic violence and stuff.

 

[HowMayIPleaseU]

Actually my father in law sent that video to my husband yesterday and we all found it hysterical. However, the true irony of it is that my husband has brought me gifts of giant rocks (and I'm not talking diamonds) and horse manure and bags of fall leaves and I have absolutely loved them. (can you tell I am a gardener?)... So I am kind of the exception to the rule.

 

[Guest]

Those type of ads, while often humorous, are annoying and often offensive, too.

Hubby will say - oh, great, another "men are stupid" ad. Or daughter will notice - "why are they saying that women can't do - math, science, drive cars, whatever?" We scoff as a family, discuss the stupidity of such advertisers, and generally refuse to buy the product. No biggie.

But Le Jack - honestly, are you going to search the web, night and day, to expose every bit of male bashing, perceived or otherwise? How many threads have you started on this topic?

It's there, of course it's there. Everyone knows it's there.

But "men are stupid ads" do not predominate the media.

On the other hand, can I toss forward enough female bashing media examples that have existed throughout the past fifty years?

You damn betcha.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Could also be, and I'm just taking a wild guess here, because the former is way more common than the latter?

Doesn't make it any less sexist though. One big fat "Violence" act should take care of it all. "§1 Just don't hit people, dammit. Seriously, what the fuck?"

I'd just like to say that the world doesn't end west of LA and east of NY. The majority over here would see it the way I did. But also, we wouldn't see "torture and forced malnutrition". We'd see a silly TV skit, chuckle if it's funny enough, get on with our lives, and reserve the right to have a bug up our asses about things that matter. Like, y'know, domestic violence and stuff.

Violence by women against men is vastly underreported. I've posted studies that show it's not even nearly as lopsided as you think.

And plenty of people didn't even see Abu Ghraib as torture, malnutrition or even murder. I don't expect too many to see a spade as a spade when it's in the form of an ad. And seeing idiot behavior glorified on television does tend to move the impressionable. Hell, wasn't there recently a kid who shot his father and then reloaded his gun and shot someone else because he wasn't allowed to play video games?

As for domestic violence, as long as people are laughing at men being beaten for cheating on their wives and being imprisoned for giving her The Wrong Gift[tm], nobody's going to care if it happens in real life. You're never going to get the courts or the public to care about a man being beaten, shot, run over, stabbed, etc. by his wife for any reason... because they've spent too much time laughing at it on TV.

"He had it coming".

Those type of ads, while often humorous, are annoying and often offensive, too.

Hubby will say - oh, great, another "men are stupid" ad. Or daughter will notice - "why are they saying that women can't do - math, science, drive cars, whatever?" We scoff as a family, discuss the stupidity of such advertisers, and generally refuse to buy the product. No biggie.

At the rate things are going I won't be buying anything from any manufacturer at all, right down to burgers from Carl's Jr.

It's going to be hell explaining to my kids why we won't go to Disneyland.

But Le Jack - honestly, are you going to search the web, night and day, to expose every bit of male bashing, perceived or otherwise?

I don't need to. I tend to shut off the television and censor which websites I go to, in order to avoid male bashing. But unlike the odd idiot Litster, male bashing is something you can't put on ignore and make it go away. It occasionally forces itself in your face.

I posted roughly one or two threads about this issue this month - that's for the very worst one out of 30 or so of these horrendous things that makes it through my filters in a week.

How many threads have you started on this topic?

Hmmm, I don't know. Maybe about as many as any average AHer has made about Republicans, capitalism, racism, etc.?

My threads are counted because it's offensive to women.

It's there, of course it's there. Everyone knows it's there.

But "men are stupid ads" do not predominate the media.

No, they're just as common as flies near shit.

On the other hand, can I toss forward enough female bashing media examples that have existed throughout the past fifty years?

You damn betcha.

And nobody would find fault with you if you complained about it.

 

[tickledkitty]

Heh. Dual bag.

Lighten up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Le Jack . . . .

LOL

If you think this is bullshit, then you don't know what a relationship is.

*snerk*

There is an alternate out there. It's been splashed across the media in the form of such shows as Home Improvement, the Man Show, and others.

Please, Jack, don't feel like you need to tuck your penis between your legs, just understand that you need to grow up.

On "Home Improvement" Tim was almost always portrayed as a buffoon, and his oldest sons were also. The other male characters were shown as being "progressive" and Tim's wife, Jill, was practically the star of "Mother Knows Best." The show had one of the hottest women I ever saw on TV, but I don't know what her name was. I don't mean Pam Anderson, although she was a bit of alright too. The one I am thinking of was a brunette.

"The Man Show" was the kind of show you ae thinking of, but it was never that popular and didn't stay on the air very long. I don't even know if it was a network show or not.

For every show like that, there are probably a dozen where the men are shown to be idiots and bunglers. Dagwood and Blondie would be a good example.