California running out of money, will be unable to meet operating expenses by March

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California running out of money
By Ben Arnoldy Ben Arnoldy Wed Dec 10, 3:00 am ET

Sacramento, Calif. – California lawmakers just got a Henry Paulson-like ultimatum from state officials: If they don't act, the state could be forced to suspend road, bridge, and other public-works projects as early as next week. Come March, California will be out of cash for even day-to-day operations.

A confluence of the national recession and years of legislative budget games is squeezing the Golden State as never before. Although it's not the largest budget gap the state has ever faced, this time it will be harder for California to get help from private lenders. Standard & Poor's now ranks it lower than any other state except Louisiana, which shares the same rating.

The question is: Will lawmakers finally make the tough budget decisions they've put off for so long?

"Because California does have a perennial budget crisis, it's very easy to fall into the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome," says Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. "This time the sky is really falling."

The state faces a $28 billion budget shortfall over the next two years. If nothing is done, nearly $5 billion in public-works projects could be halted in little more than a week for lack of bond sales – everything from bridge replacements to a new highway tunnel and billions of dollars' worth of school construction, according to state Treasurer Bill Lockyer.

Already, the state failed to attract enough buyers three weeks ago to sell all of the bonds it had floated, he told state lawmakers Monday. "Expecting investors to purchase our bonds now, when we can't agree on a budget that lenders can rely on, is like expecting someone to buy a stock when they know it's losing value," said Mr. Lockyer.

He and three other state finance officials testified Monday in a rare joint session of the legislature.

The picture worsens next spring if legislators don't pass some plan to increase revenues or cut spending or both. California will run out of operating cash in March, state controller John Chiang told the lawmakers. The recession has severely squeezed state tax revenues.

Normally, the state would borrow to cover any shortfall. But internal revenue sources have already been depleted and outside lenders are less accommodating.

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's. "It's because, financially, they've had budgets that have not proved realistic. They've had large deficits and they've only been able to pay for their budgets through borrowing for the last couple years."

Mr. Chiang said the state may be forced to seek special loans at exorbitant rates or issue IOUs to state workers and vendors, further damaging the California economy.

"Failure is not an option here," said Chiang, referring to the need to align state spending and revenues. "It would take years to recover ... deepening and prolonging the recession."

Bringing the budget back in line will require drastic cuts, significant tax raises, or both. Those options will harm the economy in the short run and cost the state jobs – but so would any delay in taking action, said legislative analyst Mac Taylor.

Not fixing the budget would worsen the state's credit rating, making infrastructure projects even harder to fund.

"It means that the stimulus that we all want won't occur," Lockyer said. "Millions of dollars that would have gone to thousands of private-sector businesses, creating tens of thousands of jobs, will be cut off."

Other states are stuck in similar positions of budget duress, making federal money key to jump-starting their economies, says Stephen Levy, director and senior economist at the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy.

Washington could also help California by backstopping state and local bonds with a federal guarantee. That would reassure investors, preventing the freeze-up in infrastructure projects. It would almost certainly cost the federal government nothing, says Mr. Levy. President-elect Obama hasn't advocated this yet, he adds, but his advisers are discussing the option.

Even with federal guarantees for bonds, lawmakers in Sacramento would still have to tackle the budget deficit, notes Levy.

During the joint session, members listened attentively, but their questions and statements afterward didn't reveal much softening of positions. Republicans signaled continued opposition to tax raises, while Democrats stressed they had already countenanced "devastating spending cuts" and some new revenue was needed. Democrats are a few seats shy of a full two-thirds majority needed to pass a budget on their own.

"It's not clear what my colleagues on the other side of the aisle want," said Karen Bass (D), speaker of the state Assembly, who helped organize Monday's joint session.

"I didn't hear anything that was new today," says Sen. Jeff Denham (R). "People around the state would expect us to deal with all of the waste first, get rid of all the bells and whistles."

To that end, he's proposing eliminating a $2 million waste-management board and supports selling state property, like San Quentin prison. He would close tax loopholes but wouldn't name any taxes he thought Republicans would be willing to raise.

"My guess is you can find a small number of Republican votes for additional taxes if there is a trade-off for some job and business incentives," says Mr. Schnur. Possible incentives include scrapping stringent 40-hour workweek regulations and scaling back on the state's ambitious greenhouse-gas targets, he says.
 
Luckily it's on the "other" edge, so we can just chop it away and let it drift out to sea.
 
Welcome to the club, California.
If California goes under, that's a lot of jobs lost.

I wonder how companies in other states will fare when all those people can't purchase their goods.

China is already suffering because of this huge downturn...
 
You know, this dude probably judged her on her looks alone. Blonde, thin, reasonable tits.

I wouldn't prosecute this guy for posting her pics all over the place if it indeed happened that she cheated on him and gave him chlamydia, and I'd say he still has major grounds to sue her

if what he says is true

but still, dude needs to change up on the kinds of women he chases. Srsly.

You can LOOK at her and know she needs to be tested... not that everyone else doesn't, of course... but still, if I'd seen her on the street during my single days, I'd have avoided that like the plague.
 
If California goes under...

Would you be so kind as to define the technical term "goes under?"

Thank you.

If, by "goes under," you mean that the state becomes incapable of meeting its obligations as they generally become due, then bankruptcy is a possibility. The Bankruptcy Code contains a section relevant to states and municipalities. Ask Orange County; they know all about it.

Many of California's various pension plans also happen to be horribly underfunded— a direct result of preposterously over-generous promises made by a succession of politicians indulging in the age-old bait and switch game of "promise now, let somebody else worry about it later."

Nobody ever says "No."

Nobody ever says, "Enough."

Nobody ever says, "We can't afford that."


 


Nobody ever says, "We can't afford that."



The Bond Buyers did and Calif. is in deep now. The Legislature hasn't done enough to raise taxes in the one good year after the Shwarts was elected and Arnold didn't want to raise the Car tax so We are stuck. Of course the Legislature still collects thier $180K per diem a year and are still driving thier State furnished cars, Politico's never see the danger to themselves because they are immune.

If Arnold cut thier per diem and state cars until they actually did something constructive we might see a change in attitude.
 


Would you be so kind as to define the technical term "goes under?"

Thank you.

If, by "goes under," you mean that the state becomes incapable of meeting its obligations as they generally become due, then bankruptcy is a possibility. The Bankruptcy Code contains a section relevant to states and municipalities. Ask Orange County; they know all about it.

Many of California's various pension plans also happen to be horribly underfunded— a direct result of preposterously over-generous promises made by a succession of politicians indulging in the age-old bait and switch game of "promise now, let somebody else worry about it later."

Nobody ever says "No."

Nobody ever says, "Enough."

Nobody ever says, "We can't afford that."


Yes, I mean go under as in having to file bankruptcy like Vallejo did. However, I'm quite sure this will cause a huge loss of jobs and cuts in services. Things that will damage the economy, big time. I mean, look at what's coming up next week - a halt to a lot of public works projects. That alone will produce huge economic ripples.

As for Orange County... the whole county is going bankrupt? Or a lot of its citizens? Funny, though, how Orange County is such a big rich Republican area (that's B1 Bob Dornan territory there, pardner). The subprime capital of the right wing universe is now a big black hole? Whodathunkit.
 
The Bond Buyers did and Calif. is in deep now. The Legislature hasn't done enough to raise taxes in the one good year after the Shwarts was elected and Arnold didn't want to raise the Car tax so We are stuck. Of course the Legislature still collects thier $180K per diem a year and are still driving thier State furnished cars, Politico's never see the danger to themselves because they are immune.

If Arnold cut thier per diem and state cars until they actually did something constructive we might see a change in attitude.
The car tax? We were looking at going from $150 to $300 for the car tax in California... THAT was a major part of why the voters kicked Gray Davis out.

You can't just trample over the will of the people by imposing a crazy tax like that - but if you could, the consequences would be worse than leaving it alone. If we see $300 auto registration in California for regular cars, this state is fucked for ages to come. A lot of people simply won't be able to drive, especially lower income folks. People and businesses will leave in even larger numbers. Byebye 100% of that tax base all to get a little quid off the car tax.

Even raising the gasoline tax wouldn't knock this economy down as hard as doubling the auto registration fees.
 
The car tax? We were looking at going from $150 to $300 for the car tax in California... THAT was a major part of why the voters kicked Gray Davis out.

You can't just trample over the will of the people by imposing a crazy tax like that - but if you could, the consequences would be worse than leaving it alone. If we see $300 auto registration in California for regular cars, this state is fucked for ages to come. A lot of people simply won't be able to drive, especially lower income folks. People and businesses will leave in even larger numbers. Byebye 100% of that tax base all to get a little quid off the car tax.

Even raising the gasoline tax wouldn't knock this economy down as hard as doubling the auto registration fees.

Jacquelope: I can trample over anything I want, I get trampled enough. I agree that doubling the car tax is probably counter productive and is regressive.

Sooooo, Let charge a 20% tax on incomes over $1 million a year and drive the Republicans out of Orange County. Make the bastards move to Arizona and quit wasting the water from Nor Cal. We save the delta and reduce the cost of homes in LA and Orange County.:)

Seriously the State needs to generate enough revenue to pay for itself. Lotteries won't pay for our schools and until the people start paying for what they want, they won't decide that it is too much and cut back thier expectations.

It is that or start shipping the illegals in our jails back to mexico or where ever they come form withthe message that the second time caught here is a .38 in the ear. This relieves our jails and we can cut the guards and reduce the expenditures further by renting the inmates out to pick the crops/cleanup the Delta/fight forest fires or what ever.

I don't know what the solution is? But I bet that raising taxes is the only way to fill in $15 Billion!
 
CA is not the only state...that jack ass in New Jersey has done far more damange. At least in CA the business climate is diverse and will rebound. CA went Belly up back in the 1990's and issued warrents instead of checks for many months...there was a collapse in real estate and another jack ass by the name of Willie Brown ( he would not pass the budget as there were too many cuts). the issue with this is after CA gets bailed out, how many other states will? when will it end?


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California running out of money
By Ben Arnoldy Ben Arnoldy Wed Dec 10, 3:00 am ET

Sacramento, Calif. – California lawmakers just got a Henry Paulson-like ultimatum from state officials: If they don't act, the state could be forced to suspend road, bridge, and other public-works projects as early as next week. Come March, California will be out of cash for even day-to-day operations.

A confluence of the national recession and years of legislative budget games is squeezing the Golden State as never before. Although it's not the largest budget gap the state has ever faced, this time it will be harder for California to get help from private lenders. Standard & Poor's now ranks it lower than any other state except Louisiana, which shares the same rating.

The question is: Will lawmakers finally make the tough budget decisions they've put off for so long?

"Because California does have a perennial budget crisis, it's very easy to fall into the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome," says Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. "This time the sky is really falling."

The state faces a $28 billion budget shortfall over the next two years. If nothing is done, nearly $5 billion in public-works projects could be halted in little more than a week for lack of bond sales – everything from bridge replacements to a new highway tunnel and billions of dollars' worth of school construction, according to state Treasurer Bill Lockyer.

Already, the state failed to attract enough buyers three weeks ago to sell all of the bonds it had floated, he told state lawmakers Monday. "Expecting investors to purchase our bonds now, when we can't agree on a budget that lenders can rely on, is like expecting someone to buy a stock when they know it's losing value," said Mr. Lockyer.

He and three other state finance officials testified Monday in a rare joint session of the legislature.

The picture worsens next spring if legislators don't pass some plan to increase revenues or cut spending or both. California will run out of operating cash in March, state controller John Chiang told the lawmakers. The recession has severely squeezed state tax revenues.

Normally, the state would borrow to cover any shortfall. But internal revenue sources have already been depleted and outside lenders are less accommodating.

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's. "It's because, financially, they've had budgets that have not proved realistic. They've had large deficits and they've only been able to pay for their budgets through borrowing for the last couple years."

Mr. Chiang said the state may be forced to seek special loans at exorbitant rates or issue IOUs to state workers and vendors, further damaging the California economy.

"Failure is not an option here," said Chiang, referring to the need to align state spending and revenues. "It would take years to recover ... deepening and prolonging the recession."

Bringing the budget back in line will require drastic cuts, significant tax raises, or both. Those options will harm the economy in the short run and cost the state jobs – but so would any delay in taking action, said legislative analyst Mac Taylor.

Not fixing the budget would worsen the state's credit rating, making infrastructure projects even harder to fund.

"It means that the stimulus that we all want won't occur," Lockyer said. "Millions of dollars that would have gone to thousands of private-sector businesses, creating tens of thousands of jobs, will be cut off."

Other states are stuck in similar positions of budget duress, making federal money key to jump-starting their economies, says Stephen Levy, director and senior economist at the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy.

Washington could also help California by backstopping state and local bonds with a federal guarantee. That would reassure investors, preventing the freeze-up in infrastructure projects. It would almost certainly cost the federal government nothing, says Mr. Levy. President-elect Obama hasn't advocated this yet, he adds, but his advisers are discussing the option.

Even with federal guarantees for bonds, lawmakers in Sacramento would still have to tackle the budget deficit, notes Levy.

During the joint session, members listened attentively, but their questions and statements afterward didn't reveal much softening of positions. Republicans signaled continued opposition to tax raises, while Democrats stressed they had already countenanced "devastating spending cuts" and some new revenue was needed. Democrats are a few seats shy of a full two-thirds majority needed to pass a budget on their own.

"It's not clear what my colleagues on the other side of the aisle want," said Karen Bass (D), speaker of the state Assembly, who helped organize Monday's joint session.

"I didn't hear anything that was new today," says Sen. Jeff Denham (R). "People around the state would expect us to deal with all of the waste first, get rid of all the bells and whistles."

To that end, he's proposing eliminating a $2 million waste-management board and supports selling state property, like San Quentin prison. He would close tax loopholes but wouldn't name any taxes he thought Republicans would be willing to raise.

"My guess is you can find a small number of Republican votes for additional taxes if there is a trade-off for some job and business incentives," says Mr. Schnur. Possible incentives include scrapping stringent 40-hour workweek regulations and scaling back on the state's ambitious greenhouse-gas targets, he says.[/QUOTE]
 
As for Orange County... the whole county is going bankrupt?... Whodathunkit.

FYI— Orange County went bust about ten years ago because a dope was in charge of the checkbook and a silver-tongued salesman of the Merrill, Lynch variety talked the dope into doing something he didn't understand (interest rate swaps).

Cali could, of course, join the rest of the world and learn to live within its means but that would require a lot of the la-la, something-for-nothing crowd to learn basic economics and arithmetic. I'm not holding my breath.


 
Jacquelope: I can trample over anything I want, I get trampled enough. I agree that doubling the car tax is probably counter productive and is regressive.

Sooooo, Let charge a 20% tax on incomes over $1 million a year and drive the Republicans out of Orange County. Make the bastards move to Arizona and quit wasting the water from Nor Cal. We save the delta and reduce the cost of homes in LA and Orange County.:)

Seriously the State needs to generate enough revenue to pay for itself. Lotteries won't pay for our schools and until the people start paying for what they want, they won't decide that it is too much and cut back thier expectations.

It is that or start shipping the illegals in our jails back to mexico or where ever they come form withthe message that the second time caught here is a .38 in the ear. This relieves our jails and we can cut the guards and reduce the expenditures further by renting the inmates out to pick the crops/cleanup the Delta/fight forest fires or what ever.

I don't know what the solution is? But I bet that raising taxes is the only way to fill in $15 Billion!
Any bets it was the illegals who strongly helped to get us in this mess in the first place?

You can't have so many people using our welfare, hospital and educational system and not contributing to the system, without serious financial consequences.

CA is not the only state...that jack ass in New Jersey has done far more damange. At least in CA the business climate is diverse and will rebound. CA went Belly up back in the 1990's and issued warrents instead of checks for many months...there was a collapse in real estate and another jack ass by the name of Willie Brown ( he would not pass the budget as there were too many cuts). the issue with this is after CA gets bailed out, how many other states will? when will it end?
The whole country is needing a bailout. This will only end in a Depression.

This is right on the mark as far as the Strauss & Howe timeline is concerned.



FYI— Orange County went bust about ten years ago because a dope was in charge of the checkbook and a silver-tongued salesman of the Merrill, Lynch variety talked the dope into doing something he didn't understand (interest rate swaps).

Cali could, of course, join the rest of the world and learn to live within its means but that would require a lot of the la-la, something-for-nothing crowd to learn basic economics and arithmetic. I'm not holding my breath.
The rest of the world isn't in financial trouble for living outside its means? Do you really believe that?
 
The rest of the world isn't in financial trouble for living outside its means? Do you really believe that?

This ain't exactly the way to solve the problem or to encourage folk to commit capital to Cali:
_______________



SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California air regulators on Thursday approved a plan that would require the state's utilities, refineries and large factories to transform their operations... — transforming how people travel, utilities generate power and businesses use electricity...

...California itself is facing a forecast budget gap of $41.8 billion through June 2010.

...31 new rules affecting all facets of life, from what fuels Californians put in their vehicles to what kind of air conditioners businesses put in their buildings.

The average Californian, for example, can expect to pay to have his or her car tires inflated during oil changes and to pay much higher power bills as utilities try to increase their use of renewable energy...

...New fees and reporting requirements will accompany the emission rules.

...small businesses and major industries that will be forced to change their operations... might leave the state and energy prices will skyrocket...

...California's nonpartisan legislative analyst and independent scientists have criticized some of the air board's research, saying the costs to the state could be greater than projected...

...the air board projects the cost to the state at $25 billion in 2020...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28180839/
 
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Sooooo, Let charge a 20% tax on incomes over $1 million a year and drive the Republicans out of Orange County. Make the bastards move to Arizona and quit wasting the water from Nor Cal.

Dude! I live in Arizona. The last thing we need is more Rs ruining our state. Our D gov is leaving for Homeland Security chief, handing over the gov chair to the Secretary of State, who is a loony R ideologue chick with big hair. We are so screwed! We're looking at over a billion dollar deficit, thanks to the Rs in the state legislature who cut taxes a couple of years ago. The tax cut was supposed to be temporary, meaning it was going to expire next year. Now the Rs are saying we must not raise taxes, which is double speak for making the temporary tax cut permanent. What a bunch of clueless dicks. This is the same state legislature that refused to honor MLK day, and ignored the freon ban. We also just passed a prop 8 type gay marriage ban. Please, keep your friggin' Rs in your own state. We've at least got enough sense to pick a D governor once in a while.
 
This ain't exactly the way to solve the problem or to encourage folk to commit capital to Cali:
_______________



SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California air regulators on Thursday approved a plan that would require the state's utilities, refineries and large factories to transform their operations... — transforming how people travel, utilities generate power and businesses use electricity...

...California itself is facing a forecast budget gap of $41.8 billion through June 2010.

...31 new rules affecting all facets of life, from what fuels Californians put in their vehicles to what kind of air conditioners businesses put in their buildings.

The average Californian, for example, can expect to pay to have his or her car tires inflated during oil changes and to pay much higher power bills as utilities try to increase their use of renewable energy...

...New fees and reporting requirements will accompany the emission rules.

...small businesses and major industries that will be forced to change their operations... might leave the state and energy prices will skyrocket...

...California's nonpartisan legislative analyst and independent scientists have criticized some of the air board's research, saying the costs to the state could be greater than projected...

...the air board projects the cost to the state at $25 billion in 2020...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28180839/
*sigh*

You said

Cali could, of course, join the rest of the world and learn to live within its means but that would require a lot of the la-la, something-for-nothing crowd to learn basic economics and arithmetic. I'm not holding my breath.
I asked you
The rest of the world isn't in financial trouble for living outside its means? Do you really believe that?
You've proven in your response that California can't live within its means. This is true beyond any reasonable doubt.

What I asked you to show me is proof behind your comment that "the rest of the world" lives within its means.

Damn, you remind me of BlackShanglan, dude. He had this same problem.
 
paying for no depression

Any bets it was the illegals who strongly helped to get us in this mess in the first place?

You can't have so many people using our welfare, hospital and educational system and not contributing to the system, without serious financial consequences.


The whole country is needing a bailout. This will only end in a Depression.

This is right on the mark as far as the Strauss & Howe timeline is concerned.


The rest of the world isn't in financial trouble for living outside its means? Do you really believe that?
 
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