Will the Republican Party become viable and legitimate again?

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Or will Jesus refuse to step down?

 

[Ham Murabi]

Or will Jesus refuse to step down?

That's an easy one.
If Obama wins and the Democrats are filibuster-proof in 2009-10, there will be a lot more Republicans in Congress in January 2011.

 

[Luke's Angel]

Or will Jesus refuse to step down?

Jesus couldn't fix the republican party at this point.

 

[Aliea]

Can you image Palin in 2012? Will she finally be able to answer a Couric question without looking like a complete moron? Stay tuned.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

A Cautionary Tale

Clear as day in my memory is the table of Boston Red Sox fans making a very public show of ordering champagne at the NYC sports bar in which my crew was watching Game 6 of the 1986 World Series. To their credit, the guys brought those bottles over to some other Mets fans' table, and we know what happened the next night.

I'm just saying, positive as signs are, Democrats might want to wait until they're Mookie Wilson is out to order champagne.

 

[Luke's Angel]

Can you image Palin in 2012? Will she finally be able to answer a Couric question without looking like a complete moron? Stay tuned.

Palin IS the future of the Republican party. How can you not see that?

 

[revelator]

Inevitably, they'll move away from the center: "we lost because we weren't true to our Conservative principles."

Only after the leadership who espouse this view are gone (kicked out of the leadership or lose their seat) will they begin to rebuild a viable party. By that time the Dems will have done some stupid shit, and they'll make gains.

Give it at least 4 years. The Tories in England took 10 years to get the message and elect David Cameron - he'll win the next election there.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Clear as day in my memory is the table of Boston Red Sox fans making a very public show of ordering champagne at the NYC sports bar in which my crew was watching Game 6 of the 1986 World Series. To their credit, the guys brought those bottles over to some other Mets fans' table, and we know what happened the next night.

I'm just saying, positive as signs are, Democrats might want to wait until they're Mookie Wilson is out to order champagne.

Dude. Win or lose, the Republican Party, as it is, and as it was, is no more.

You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's an easy one.
If Obama wins and the Democrats are filibuster-proof in 2009-10, there will be a lot more Republicans in Congress in January 2013.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Dude. Win or lose, the Republican Party, as it is, and as it was, is no more.

You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

Better people than you or I have predicted the end of the Republican Party before. They got drubbed in 64 but won an election a scant 4 years later.

While nothing would give me more pleasure than to see the end of the Republican party as we know it (okay, I'm lying...I'd get more pleasure out of hearing that Miles got shot in the balls while on one of his Lit Adultery tours), I think that some semblance of the big business/morality legislating factions will survive.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Can you image Palin in 2012? Will she finally be able to answer a Couric question without looking like a complete moron? Stay tuned.

This kind of "threat" of Gov. Palin taking over the Republicans seemed incredible at first blush to me, as well -- at worst, she's no more gifted than another Pat Buchanan with nicer legs and poorer speaking skills.

However, after some thought, perhaps she's positioning herself to be the second coming of W?

Think about it -- hard right leanings, deeply polarizing, klutzy and tongue-tied... but no matter how much you may hate him, W did manage to get elected. Twice.

Maybe Gov. Palin thinks she can recycle that Rove magic. Maybe she's right.

Scary thought. Happy Halloween!

Woof!

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Dude. Win or lose, the Republican Party, as it is, and as it was, is no more.

You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

OK, we've officially arrived at the point where making a down-the-middle statement is perceived as being partisan for the "other" side. I'm with Aliea: end the season already. (I'm an Obama voter, Dix.)

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

OK, we've officially arrived at the point where making a down-the-middle statement is perceived as being partisan for the "other" side. I'm with Aliea: end the season already. (I'm an Obama voter, Dix.)

We're not there. I just watched "Sweet Smell of Success". It was either that or calling you a cookie full of arsenic.

 

[revelator]

This kind of "threat" of Gov. Palin taking over the Republicans seemed incredible at first blush to me, as well -- at worst, she's no more gifted than another Pat Buchanan with nicer legs and poorer speaking skills.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...et_postelection_strategy_session.html?showall

Two days after next week's election, top conservatives will gather at the Virginia weekend home of one of the movement's most prominent members to begin a conversation about their role in the GOP and how best to revive a party that may be out of power at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue next year.

"There's a sense that the Republican Party is broken, but the conservative movement is not," said this source, suggesting that it was the betrayal of some conservative principles by Bush and congressional leaders that led to the party's decline.

Either way, Sarah Palin will be a central part of discussion.

If the Arizona senator wins, the discussion will feature much talk of, "How do we work with this administration?" said the attendee, an acknowledgement that conservatives won't always have a reliable ally in the Oval Office.

Under this scenario, Palin would be seen as their conduit to power. “She would be the conservative in the White House,” is how the source put it.

Should McCain lose next Tuesday, the conversation will include who to groom as the next generation of conservative leaders – a list that will feature Palin at or near the top.

 

[Luke's Angel]

This kind of "threat" of Gov. Palin taking over the Republicans seemed incredible at first blush to me, as well -- at worst, she's no more gifted than another Pat Buchanan with nicer legs and poorer speaking skills.

However, after some thought, perhaps she's positioning herself to be the second coming of W?

Think about it -- hard right leanings, deeply polarizing, klutzy and tongue-tied... but no matter how much you may hate him, W did manage to get elected. Twice.

Maybe Gov. Palin thinks she can recycle that Rove magic. Maybe she's right.

Scary thought. Happy Halloween!

Woof!

Palin is a far better politician than W ever was. She is a natural. The old Republican stalwarts are only going to hobble her chances at getting elected. They will never except a woman as president. She needs to dump them as fast as possible after this election is over.

 

[John Doe]

Huckabee in '12!

 

[Luke's Angel]

Actually it would probably be better for Palin and those conservatives who still have a functioning brain to start their own party. Leave the people who wrecked the GOP behind to clean up their own mess.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Palin is a far better politician than W ever was. She is a natural. The old Republican stalwarts are only going to hoble her chances at getting elected. They will never except a woman as president. She needs to dump them as fast as possible after this election is over.

I'm not sure who the "old Republican stalwarts" are that you refer to. But I think it's foolish to stereotype an entire group by saying they would never accept a woman president.
I'm probably as fiscally conservative as anyone on this board (socially conservative - not so much), and I regard Palin as the one candidate of the four I'd willingly cast a vote for simply because she is not part of the D.C. culture.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks for your input.
In 1994 the GOP came back strong after only two years of the Clinton White House.
I would suggest if Obama and Congress are strongly Democrat and taxes and unemployment and the deficit are up, that illegals are streaming across the border again and getting "free" health care, that the tide will turn very quickly.
People will realize that this is not the "change" they had in mind.
But that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

OK, we've officially arrived at the point where making a down-the-middle statement is perceived as being partisan for the "other" side. I'm with Aliea: end the season already. (I'm an Obama voter, Dix.)

Like we've been trying to tell you. This is what happens when you're to the right of the "far left." It doesn't matter how far to the right you are.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Like we've been trying to tell you. This is what happens when you're to the right of the "far left." It doesn't matter how far to the right you are.

Nah. Just the movie thing.

 

[Luke's Angel]

I'm not sure who the "old Republican stalwarts" are that you refer to. But I think it's foolish to stereotype an entire group by saying they would never accept a woman president.
I'm probably as fiscally conservative as anyone on this board (socially conservative - not so much), and I regard Palin as the one candidate of the four I'd willingly cast a vote for simply because she is not part of the D.C. culture.

Not the entire group just the ones that are busy getting ready to stab Palin in the back in order to get the Bush wing of the Republican party back into the white house. The ancien regime in other words. They can never accept Palin or any other woman as the head of state. It's a very powerful tradition.

You are wrong if you think that all factions of the republican party are equal. They are not equal. It is in fact a very stratified and rigid party.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Thanks for your input.
In 1994 the GOP came back strong after only two years of the Clinton White House.
I would suggest if Obama and Congress are strongly Democrat and taxes and unemployment and the deficit are up, that illegals are streaming across the border again and getting "free" health care, that the tide will turn very quickly.
People will realize that this is not the "change" they had in mind.
But that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

I understand your point, and it does have a lot of merit. I feel, however, that unlike the narrow electoral win of 1992, this country is heading for a transformative election not unlike 1964 or perhaps more aptly, 1980.

Conservatism, while not dead, is on the ropes for the time being. The coalition of fundamentalists, totalatarians and big business is severely frayed. It will be interesting to see what it takes for the Republicans to recover. Hopefully they'll continue their circular firing squad until at least 2013.

 

[Alt]

Can you image Palin in 2012? Will she finally be able to answer a Couric question without looking like a complete moron? Stay tuned.

Come on, she'll get her own show on Fox. Let the botox roll!

 

[Plainly_Jane]

Dude. Win or lose, the Republican Party, as it is, and as it was, is no more.

It's going to be interesting, watching to see which branch of the party gets to retain the name "Republican." Will it be the religious right, the Sarah Palin branch? They're mad as hell and they aren't going to take being shushed and pushed back into the closet after this election is over. They've given of their time, money and votes to the Repubs for years, all in the hopes that abortion of any sort, for any reason, would be outlawed, and that creationism could be taught as a competing "scientific" theory in the public schools (right after hourly school prayer --- ooops, I mean of course Christian school prayer, not any of that Ay-raby praying to Allah shit of course). I think it's ever so slowly dawning on them that they've been played by their own party for years.

But what will the educated, supposedly fiscal conservative segment of the Republican party do? I don't see them switching to the Democrats. So their option is to either fight tooth and nail to regain control of the Republican Party, or simply break off and form a third party.

How can the two factions of the party reconcile? I'm sure there is going to be a lot of blaming going on from all sides, but I'm not sure that they'll actually learn any lessons.