Aww, let's all cry for those jobless Chinese workers

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Fuckers stole our jobs and now they're crying because they've been laid off.

This makes the entire economic crisis worth it to put these baby girl killing fascists out of work.

I hope Obama shuts off trade with China if he wins.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_on_re_as/as_china_factory_woes/print

Factory closure in China a sign of deeper pain
By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer William Foreman, Associated Press Writer Sun Oct 19, 12:18 pm ET

DONGGUAN, China – Unemployed worker Wang Wenming was angry at his boss for shutting down a massive Chinese factory this week that made toys for Mattel Inc., Hasbro Inc. and other American companies.

But the assembly line worker was also furious at the United States.

"This financial crisis in America is going to kill us. It's already taking food out of our mouths," the 42-year-old laborer said Friday as he stood outside the shuttered Smart Union Group (Holdings) Ltd. factory in the southern city of Dongguan.

The company, which has struggled as global growth has slowed in recent months, employed 7,000 people in mainland China and Hong Kong. It wasn't immediately clear how many have lost their jobs.

Economic upheaval in the U.S. is already changing and shrinking China's vast manufacturing hub in the southern province of Guangdong, long regarded as the world's factory floor. However, factory closures won't just be a China problem — shoppers will feel the effect in malls and stores in the U.S. and Europe.

"When these companies go bust, the outcome is higher prices," said Andy Xie, an independent economist in Shanghai. "Labor costs have gone up 70 to 100 percent in the last three or four years. But these guys have not been able to raise their prices because Toys "R" Us, Home Depot and Wal-Mart are saying no price increase. How is that possible?"

For years, there were too many factories competing to win bids from foreign buyers demanding prices that were often unrealistically low. The winners were American and European consumers, who enjoyed rock-bottom prices.

But many factories were scrimping on materials and stiffing their suppliers just to survive, Xie said. The financial crisis will be the final culling factor that forces many wobbly factories to go belly up and end an unsustainable situation, he added.

Already, China's toy industry is hurting. The official Xinhua News Agency reported this week that 3,631 toy exporters — 52.7 percent of the industry's enterprises — went out of business in 2008. The causes: higher production costs, wage increases for workers and the rising value of the yuan, the report said.

Nor is Christmas likely to make much difference. Big toy giants generally put in their Christmas orders months in advance so toys can be shipped to them in time.

Even before the financial crisis, China's exports were dropping because of the slowdown in America and Europe. For the first time in three years, the growth rate for Chinese exports in the first quarter of 2008 declined, according to customs figures.

Chan Cheung-yau, chairman of toy and games subcommittee under the Chinese Manufacturers' Association of Hong Kong, agreed that the outlook was gloomy for toy makers. He predicted that thousands more factories would close in China next year.

"The tightening credit market has made it more difficult for manufacturers to raise funds," he said. "It has created a huge cash flow problem."

Workers at the Smart Union toy factory said that for several months the plant was less busy and paychecks were arriving late.

"The management said the problem was that our American customers weren't paying for the goods they ordered so the company couldn't pay us," said worker Shao Xiaoping, who was still wearing his blue company shirt with a red patch above the pocket that said "Smart."

He was among 100 workers who on Friday gathered outside the gates of the factory, a sprawling five-story complex covered in white and blue tiles discolored by dust and smog. About 2,000 other laborers protested outside the local government's offices, demanding that the Hong Kong-based company pay their wages, severance and other benefits. The building was guarded by a line of 50 riot police with shields and clubs.

The workers said the Hong Kong-based owner of the factory didn't warn them before the plant closed Wednesday.

"I've been working here for eight years. I have no idea whether I'll ever get paid. The government says we will, but I'm not optimistic," said a man in a white sleeveless undershirt who would only give his surname, Zhang. Most workers wouldn't completely identify themselves for fear speaking to the press would cost them their wages.

A sign posted by the local government on the factory gates said workers could be detained for 10 to 15 days for stirring up unrest, unlawful gathering, protesting and ignoring orders from security officials.

Calls to Smart Union's offices in Hong Kong went unanswered. On Friday, the company said in a filing to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange that it informed Hong Kong's High Court that is has stopped operating and was seeking buyers.

Last year, the company, listed on Hong Kong's stock market, said in a financial report its core customers included Mattel, Hasbro and Spin Master Ltd. The company's stock was suspended from trading Wednesday.

In another report this year, the company reported a pretax loss of US$25.9 million (HK$201 million) in the first six months.

Higher manufacturing costs — including a 20-percent rise in the cost of plastic — took a big bite out of profits, along with the 7 percent appreciation of the yuan, it said. The company was also hammered when Mattel and other toy giants recalled millions of Chinese-made toys last year because of safety concerns, the company said.

Although Smart Union wasn't directly involved in those recalls, "the product recall incident badly affected the toy industry," it said.

Most of China's toy factories are in Guangdong province — the main laboratory for the bold economic forms China began 30 years ago when it began shifting away from communism. The province was a good place to start dabbling with capitalism because it shares a border with Hong Kong, the main gateway into China for foreign investors.

Companies from Hong Kong, Taiwan, America and Europe flooded into the province to set up low-cost factories that made everything from sneakers and bras to laptops and iPods. The booming region close to Hong Kong became known as the Pearl River Delta.

Most of the factory closures are happening in the Pearl River Delta, and the changes didn't seem to bother one of the province's highest-ranking economic officials, Vice Governor Wan Qingliang.

In a briefing with foreign reporters this month, Wan said the global economic crisis wouldn't deter the provincial government from pressing on with a sweeping plan to restructure the Pearl River Delta's manufacturing base. He said the government wanted low-end factories to move farther into China's interior so that they could be replaced with more high-tech, advanced industries.

"We have a policy to empty the cage for the new birds," he said. "The ultimate target is to build the Pearl River Delta into the core region of modern manufacturing."

If the strategy works, China might eventually come out of the toy crisis stronger.

_____

Associated Press writer Dikky Sinn contributed to this report from Hong Kong.
 
Fuckers stole our jobs and now they're crying because they've been laid off.

This makes the entire economic crisis worth it to put these baby girl killing fascists out of work.

I hope Obama shuts off trade with China if he wins.

Shutting off trade with China would result in a collapse of our economy (and probably theirs). It isn't going to happen.
 
Some data I read recently suggested that an estimated 230 MILLION Chinese were working just to supply North American desire for cheap crap. If the North American (read U.S.) falters those workers will be laid off. Show me ANY country that can deal with 230,000,000 out-of-work, pissed-off, hungry citizens!! It'll be a MESS - whether they have US$1.6 TRILION in their coffers or not.

We'll survive and things will get back to normal in a while (6 mos? 10 yrs??) but I think when this all plays out the world will be a different place than the one we've grown used to.
 
Shutting off trade with China would result in a collapse of our economy (and probably theirs). It isn't going to happen.

I agree.

Obanomics is going to destroy American businesses faster than it will destroy America's demand for trade goods.
 
I agree.

Obanomics is going to destroy American businesses faster than it will destroy America's demand for trade goods.

As opposed to neo-Reaganomics which has worked so well?

There has been no rise in US manufacturing as a percentage of US GDP under Bush. Maybe a slight uptick in defense contractors, but that's it.
 
and WHO is the most pissed off and verbally abusive of the BUSH admin than REPUBLICANS who feel betrayed. Democrats/Liberals will obfuscate, make excuses or ignore all the corruption and social "progressive" bullsh!t when there's a DEM in power. Republicans / Conservatives are THE most critical of their own parties when they go wrong.


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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
 
As opposed to neo-Reaganomics which has worked so well?

There has been no rise in US manufacturing as a percentage of US GDP under Bush. Maybe a slight uptick in defense contractors, but that's it.

Remember this next year when you're fighting your mother for the last can of beans in a burnt out Walmart.

Once Obama's been given the Presidency and both houses to play with, we're all gonna be fucked.

'Spread the wealth around' indeed.
 
Some data I read recently suggested that an estimated 230 MILLION Chinese were working just to supply North American desire for cheap crap. If the North American (read U.S.) falters those workers will be laid off. Show me ANY country that can deal with 230,000,000 out-of-work, pissed-off, hungry citizens!! It'll be a MESS - whether they have US$1.6 TRILION in their coffers or not.

We'll survive and things will get back to normal in a while (6 mos? 10 yrs??) but I think when this all plays out the world will be a different place than the one we've grown used to.

Hey... are you THE Mr.G gracing our GB?

I am trembling....!!!
 
and WHO is the most pissed off and verbally abusive of the BUSH admin than REPUBLICANS who feel betrayed. Democrats/Liberals will obfuscate, make excuses or ignore all the corruption and social "progressive" bullsh!t when there's a DEM in power. Republicans / Conservatives are THE most critical of their own parties when they go wrong.


******

WATCH THIS -

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

Interesting video...
 
Remember this next year when you're fighting your mother for the last can of beans in a burnt out Walmart.

Once Obama's been given the Presidency and both houses to play with, we're all gonna be fucked.

'Spread the wealth around' indeed.

Need a tissue?
 
Fuckers stole our jobs and now they're crying because they've been laid off.

This makes the entire economic crisis worth it to put these baby girl killing fascists out of work.

I hope Obama shuts off trade with China if he wins.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_on_re_as/as_china_factory_woes/print

Factory closure in China a sign of deeper pain
By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer William Foreman, Associated Press Writer Sun Oct 19, 12:18 pm ET

DONGGUAN, China – Unemployed worker Wang Wenming was angry at his boss for shutting down a massive Chinese factory this week that made toys for Mattel Inc., Hasbro Inc. and other American companies.

But the assembly line worker was also furious at the United States.

"This financial crisis in America is going to kill us. It's already taking food out of our mouths," the 42-year-old laborer said Friday as he stood outside the shuttered Smart Union Group (Holdings) Ltd. factory in the southern city of Dongguan.

The company, which has struggled as global growth has slowed in recent months, employed 7,000 people in mainland China and Hong Kong. It wasn't immediately clear how many have lost their jobs.

Economic upheaval in the U.S. is already changing and shrinking China's vast manufacturing hub in the southern province of Guangdong, long regarded as the world's factory floor. However, factory closures won't just be a China problem — shoppers will feel the effect in malls and stores in the U.S. and Europe.

"When these companies go bust, the outcome is higher prices," said Andy Xie, an independent economist in Shanghai. "Labor costs have gone up 70 to 100 percent in the last three or four years. But these guys have not been able to raise their prices because Toys "R" Us, Home Depot and Wal-Mart are saying no price increase. How is that possible?"

For years, there were too many factories competing to win bids from foreign buyers demanding prices that were often unrealistically low. The winners were American and European consumers, who enjoyed rock-bottom prices.

But many factories were scrimping on materials and stiffing their suppliers just to survive, Xie said. The financial crisis will be the final culling factor that forces many wobbly factories to go belly up and end an unsustainable situation, he added.

Already, China's toy industry is hurting. The official Xinhua News Agency reported this week that 3,631 toy exporters — 52.7 percent of the industry's enterprises — went out of business in 2008. The causes: higher production costs, wage increases for workers and the rising value of the yuan, the report said.

Nor is Christmas likely to make much difference. Big toy giants generally put in their Christmas orders months in advance so toys can be shipped to them in time.

Even before the financial crisis, China's exports were dropping because of the slowdown in America and Europe. For the first time in three years, the growth rate for Chinese exports in the first quarter of 2008 declined, according to customs figures.

Chan Cheung-yau, chairman of toy and games subcommittee under the Chinese Manufacturers' Association of Hong Kong, agreed that the outlook was gloomy for toy makers. He predicted that thousands more factories would close in China next year.

"The tightening credit market has made it more difficult for manufacturers to raise funds," he said. "It has created a huge cash flow problem."

Workers at the Smart Union toy factory said that for several months the plant was less busy and paychecks were arriving late.

"The management said the problem was that our American customers weren't paying for the goods they ordered so the company couldn't pay us," said worker Shao Xiaoping, who was still wearing his blue company shirt with a red patch above the pocket that said "Smart."

He was among 100 workers who on Friday gathered outside the gates of the factory, a sprawling five-story complex covered in white and blue tiles discolored by dust and smog. About 2,000 other laborers protested outside the local government's offices, demanding that the Hong Kong-based company pay their wages, severance and other benefits. The building was guarded by a line of 50 riot police with shields and clubs.

The workers said the Hong Kong-based owner of the factory didn't warn them before the plant closed Wednesday.

"I've been working here for eight years. I have no idea whether I'll ever get paid. The government says we will, but I'm not optimistic," said a man in a white sleeveless undershirt who would only give his surname, Zhang. Most workers wouldn't completely identify themselves for fear speaking to the press would cost them their wages.

A sign posted by the local government on the factory gates said workers could be detained for 10 to 15 days for stirring up unrest, unlawful gathering, protesting and ignoring orders from security officials.

Calls to Smart Union's offices in Hong Kong went unanswered. On Friday, the company said in a filing to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange that it informed Hong Kong's High Court that is has stopped operating and was seeking buyers.

Last year, the company, listed on Hong Kong's stock market, said in a financial report its core customers included Mattel, Hasbro and Spin Master Ltd. The company's stock was suspended from trading Wednesday.

In another report this year, the company reported a pretax loss of US$25.9 million (HK$201 million) in the first six months.

Higher manufacturing costs — including a 20-percent rise in the cost of plastic — took a big bite out of profits, along with the 7 percent appreciation of the yuan, it said. The company was also hammered when Mattel and other toy giants recalled millions of Chinese-made toys last year because of safety concerns, the company said.

Although Smart Union wasn't directly involved in those recalls, "the product recall incident badly affected the toy industry," it said.

Most of China's toy factories are in Guangdong province — the main laboratory for the bold economic forms China began 30 years ago when it began shifting away from communism. The province was a good place to start dabbling with capitalism because it shares a border with Hong Kong, the main gateway into China for foreign investors.

Companies from Hong Kong, Taiwan, America and Europe flooded into the province to set up low-cost factories that made everything from sneakers and bras to laptops and iPods. The booming region close to Hong Kong became known as the Pearl River Delta.

Most of the factory closures are happening in the Pearl River Delta, and the changes didn't seem to bother one of the province's highest-ranking economic officials, Vice Governor Wan Qingliang.

In a briefing with foreign reporters this month, Wan said the global economic crisis wouldn't deter the provincial government from pressing on with a sweeping plan to restructure the Pearl River Delta's manufacturing base. He said the government wanted low-end factories to move farther into China's interior so that they could be replaced with more high-tech, advanced industries.

"We have a policy to empty the cage for the new birds," he said. "The ultimate target is to build the Pearl River Delta into the core region of modern manufacturing."

If the strategy works, China might eventually come out of the toy crisis stronger.

_____

Associated Press writer Dikky Sinn contributed to this report from Hong Kong.

I see that you're as charming as ever. Baby killing Fascists. Nice one, LT. I'm sure that a Chinese person who reads this on the board will not be offended by the fact that you just referred to their race as baby killing Fascists.

As charming as ever.
 
I guess even the factory workers in China are baby killing facists. Who knew?
I just figured they were like everyone else and were just trying to get along in life.
Live and learn.
 
I guess even the factory workers in China are baby killing facists. Who knew?
I just figured they were like everyone else and were just trying to get along in life.
Live and learn.

Indeed. Corporate fascism resulted in the Holocaust. "Efficiency" above human rights.

Even the right to give your infant unpoisoned formula. But, profits came before that right in China.
 
No one goes hungry under communism.

True, in a perfect communist society where no one learned to cheat.

There would also be no crime. Quite Utopian.

Same thing with a pure unregulated capitalist system in a utopian world where no one had the incentive to cheat to literally "get ahead" of the competition.
 
Shutting off trade with China would result in a collapse of our economy (and probably theirs). It isn't going to happen.
Then let it collapse.

We're going to collapse far harder when China becomes a global superpower and starts calling the shots around the world. In fact, Western values as you know it, will go byebye.

China is proving that western values are simply not profitable, nor competitive. Mark my words, this is far worse than a temporary US economic collapse.
 
Indeed. Corporate fascism resulted in the Holocaust. "Efficiency" above human rights.

Even the right to give your infant unpoisoned formula. But, profits came before that right in China.
Are you guys aware that Chinese citizens are murdering baby girls by the millions to produce boys?

The more money we give them via offshore outsourcing, the more money these families have to pursue high tech methods of determining the sex of their babies before birth: i.e., ultrasound, to kill their daughters before birth. We're helping them up the slaughter of their women.

Read, and be educated:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/specials/9908/china.social.overview/content/infanticide.html

If you don't believe them, then perhaps the Conservative perspective of Fox News is more credible?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281722,00.html


I for one would prefer that America not fund their massacre of baby girls.
 
I see that you're as charming as ever. Baby killing Fascists. Nice one, LT. I'm sure that a Chinese person who reads this on the board will not be offended by the fact that you just referred to their race as baby killing Fascists.

As charming as ever.

There is no such thing as a Chinese race, anymore than there is an American race.
 
Why should I care about American factory workers, Chinese factory workers or anyone else for that matter? Lets face it... if you work in a factory, odds are you aren't bright enough to be working someplace else in the first place. Forget all that 'red blooded REAL working class American' bullshit propaganda you've been indoctrinated with. How many educated, intelligent people work in a factory? If they're labor were REALLY so valuable, then why can some unskilled laborer overseas do it for a fraction of the price? Unions are just a form of 'communism lite' that is shooting America in the foot... So yeah, fuck 'em all! Fuck 'contractors,' fuck construction workers, fuck pipe-fitters and carpenters, fuck the blue collar douche bags who think they should have million dollar a year contracts.
 
Why should I care about American factory workers, Chinese factory workers or anyone else for that matter? Lets face it... if you work in a factory, odds are you aren't bright enough to be working someplace else in the first place. Forget all that 'red blooded REAL working class American' bullshit propaganda you've been indoctrinated with. How many educated, intelligent people work in a factory? If they're labor were REALLY so valuable, then why can some unskilled laborer overseas do it for a fraction of the price? Unions are just a form of 'communism lite' that is shooting America in the foot... So yeah, fuck 'em all! Fuck 'contractors,' fuck construction workers, fuck pipe-fitters and carpenters, fuck the blue collar douche bags who think they should have million dollar a year contracts.
I'll tell you why we should care about factory workers.

They buy stuff.

American factory workers buy more American goods and put more money into the US economy than Chinese workers do.

So if you really want to let American 'unskilled' labor die off, then that'll just be millions of unemployed, unproductive people.

And that means fewer customers for your business, or the business you're investing in, and that means your stocks will tank.

Basically, your 'fuck the blue collar' mentality is part of why we're in the situation we're in now. With all the recent cuts in refinancing, subprime loans and credit based consumer spending, the blue collar class doesn't have the cash - the 'million dollar contracts' - to buy any of your goods.

Way to go, sparky - by starving them, you starve yourself. And you starve the American economy.


Yes, I know these facts are a little too complex for a free market drone like yourself. Feel free to leave this thread and go listen to Rush Limbaugh. Thank you very much for playing and have a good night.
 
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