Obama on K-12 Sex ed. Setting the record straight.

[Karen Kraft]

One of the ads that comes to mind, that many have chastised him on was where he was stating Obama wanted to promote teaching second graders about sex, when in fact, Obama was proposing teaching children about things unacceptable and about sexual predators and being able to feel that they could turn to someone in a position of trust to report when these things happen to them.

The McCain ad stating the lie about teaching sex to children was fucked up and way, way out of line. A bold face lie.

Let’s set the record straight here.

Before we start calling people like John McCain a “liar” on the Illinois SB99 K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill issue and his ad in that regard, why not get some facts? I know, painful as that may seem, it makes the discussion better to have a few actual facts thrown in, just to spice up the inaccurate rhetoric.

Obama: Sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is ‘age-appropriate,’ is ‘the right thing to do'. ​

No, wait, NBC and MSNBC said, Barack only meant kindergarteners should be taught how to avoid predators – purely a safety thing – not “sex” like real sex education where you talk about sexually transmitted diseases, masturbation, and enjoying safe sex! OMG! McCain’s ad on the subject was nothing but LIES !!!!

Uh-oh, uh-oh. That seems not to be the case. There’s the deal:

Yes, some sections of the bill do indeed talk about that part of the K-12 education – regarding avoiding sexual predators. 100% correct. However, the bill had more to it than just that and there was no language indicating that some subjects were only to be taught to certain grade levels. The rest of the bill, included real sex education for K-12 students. For those who live under a rock, the “K” in the term “K-12” means “Kindergarten.” The bill does actually call for what you and I would call "sex education" for each and every grade from kindergarten through high school. Not that that is necessarily a good or bad thing. This is more about the charge that McCain's ad "lied" than about the benefits of some bill in Illinois years ago.

Here are the facts: While a member of the Illinois state legislature, Barack Obama voted “Yes” (not “Present” or “I beg your pardon?” on SB99, the so-called "comprehensive sex education" act sponsored by planned Parenthood and the ACLU. The act includes a provision for sex education for kindergarten children. It passed March 6th, 2003.

The full text is here. It is a comprehensive sex education bill for public schools in Illinois which covers the following:

SB99 - Illinois 2003​

K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill​

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.

(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.

(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.

(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.

(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.

(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.

(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.

(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.

(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.

(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.

(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.

(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.

Obama voted YES on this bill which applies to Kindergarten through high school. Each and every feature applies to each and every grade although, like any other form of education, the level of explanation will need to be tailored appropriately for the age group to which the materials are presented.

Thus, the Obama folks should have done some research before crying foul. McCain was right; Obama was… um… mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs

 

[Marxist]

Wow.

That was a long way to go for, "language wasn't specific."




And yes, 12th graders should learn where the peepee goes and when.

 

[Odd_ball]

Wow.

That was a long way to go for, "language wasn't specific."




And yes, 12th graders should learn where the peepee goes and when.

No way!

That is way too "explicit"!

You can tell them: "The daddy puts his ding dong in the mommy's Ho-Ho, but ONLY IF THEY ARE MARRIED!"

 

[firespin]

Obama is catching up in the lies department lately.

But he's gone back ahead in the polls, so the crazy feeding frenzy seems to have subsided here.

 

[Marxist]

No way!

That is way too "explicit"!

You can tell them: "The daddy puts his ding dong in the mommy's Ho-Ho, but ONLY IF THEY ARE MARRIED!"

I'm waiting on Karen's version of "Everybody Fucks" that Obama had planned to foist onto the kiddies.

He's a horrible horrible man who wanted to teach children awful awful things with his non-specific bill.

Christ on a cracker.

Is this the best they've got?

 

[Nigel]

I'm waiting on Karen's version of "Everybody Fucks" that Obama had planned to foist onto the kiddies.

He's a horrible horrible man who wanted to teach children awful awful things with his non-specific bill.

Christ on a cracker.

Is this the best they've got?

Apparently.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I'm waiting on Karen's version of "Everybody Fucks" that Obama had planned to foist onto the kiddies.

He's a horrible horrible man who wanted to teach children awful awful things with his non-specific bill.

Christ on a cracker.

Is this the best they've got?

I want some of that Frosted Semantics Crunch cereal she and other McCain "supporters" are eating here.

It seems like it's gotta taste good if it makes a body find the need to essay-squeeze out the barest minimum of an excuse for someone being "right" in a non-dubious claim. Hope it goes good with soy milk!

 

[hogjack]

Let’s set the record straight here.

Great stuff! That whole Truth shit is refreshing, indeed.

And Obama's been LYING about:

• the connections between Sadaam Hussein and al-Qaeda
• Iranian weapons programs
• U.S. joining the torture parade

Fuck, that was the Bush Administration [puppet master chickenhawk Karl Rove leading the way] not U.S. Sen. Barack Obama.

My bad. No biggie anyway. The Bush Administration may be one of the most indecent, pompous and distasteful governments in U.S. history but it only cost a few trillion dollars, a few thousand American lives (not to mention tens of thousands of others), moral leadership in the world, and massive debt.

 

[Karen Kraft]

I'm waiting on Karen's version of "Everybody Fucks" that Obama had planned to foist onto the kiddies.

He's a horrible horrible man who wanted to teach children awful awful things with his non-specific bill.

Christ on a cracker.

Is this the best they've got?

No, that's not what the thread is about and you know it. It's the factual basis on which McCain made an ad and Obama said it was a lie. The alleged lie was that he voted for a bill which would have mandated sex education to elementary school age kids. Obama said that the bill only called for admonitions regarding sexual predators. As one can see, the bill does that but also mandates sex education as well -- at all levels. It's not about sex education. It's about Obama crying foul and making false accusations regarding facts he already knew. This is simply the text of the bill -- and it speaks for itself. Obama was wrong. He voted in favor of the bill as it was written -- no special limiting language with respect to the lower age groups.

This thread shows what the bill said. No amount of spin can turn McCain’s ad into a lie, as it correctly states the facts.

In this particular case, I probably would have voted for the law, were I a state senator at the time, but that's not the point. If you make a vote, you must stand ready to deal with it; you cannot honestly characterize a true statement describing your vote as a "lie" simply because your previous position does not play as well nationally as it did locally.

The correct thing to do was to acknowledge the vote, explain how you interpreted “age appropriate” at the time. It is improper to say that someone taking you to task for your own vote is “lying” once the unpopularity of your vote becomes important to you. That is simply dishonest.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Great stuff! That whole Truth shit is refreshing, indeed.

And Obama's been LYING about:

• the connections between Sadaam Hussein and al-Qaeda
• Iranian weapons programs
• U.S. joining the torture parade

Fuck, that was the Bush Administration [puppet master chickenhawk Karl Rove leading the way] not U.S. Sen. Barack Obama.

My bad. No biggie anyway. The Bush Administration may be one of the most indecent, pompous and distasteful governments in U.S. history but it only cost a few trillion dollars, a few thousand American lives (not to mention tens of thousands of others), moral leadership in the world, and massive debt.

So....

That makes McCain's ad a lie to you?

 

[Karen Kraft]

I want some of that Frosted Semantics Crunch cereal she and other McCain "supporters" are eating here.

It seems like it's gotta taste good if it makes a body find the need to essay-squeeze out the barest minimum of an excuse for someone being "right" in a non-dubious claim. Hope it goes good with soy milk!

Why would you object to reading the text of a bill where Obama says it said one thing and McCain says it said something else?

Either the McCain ad was a lie or it was not.

The text speaks for itself, as I said. Why would it be so disturbing to read what the man voted for?

Won't you hold McCain to his votes on sex education? Even Palin disagrees with McCain on that. So as not to make the election strictly based on spin, some of us might find it useful to see for ourselves what the issue is, and make up our own minds whether the McCain ad was a lie or the truth.

It’s funny, however, that each time a post goes into detail about economic policy, foreign policy, the economy, sex education, abortion, etc., the same “is that all you got?” comment is posted in reply. Seems like a pattern.

 

[ImSinister]

So....

That makes McCain's ad a lie to you?

Good for you that you like McCain.

But do you know what the term insufferable bore means?

God, I can't wait for this election to be over.

 

[Karen Kraft]

snark yawn....
But do you know what the term insufferable bore means?

blah blah right.

Hmmmm. Someone who starts threads about the Bubble Boy episode of Seinfeld?

... or maybe it's people who like to post in political threads only to say that they don't care for what is posted there by others... on accounta it ain’t ‘bout real cool TV shows what I likes or me pertend-fuckin somethin.

Here's the deal: If you don't like the discussion in the political threads, don't click to open them. If you don't like what I have to say (yes, the truth hurts sometimes), use your little Iggy button.

Some people like to read what gets said in the political threads. Even people, like yourself, who have "issues." Get over it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No way!

That is way too "explicit"!

You can tell them: "The daddy puts his ding dong in the mommy's Ho-Ho, but ONLY IF THEY ARE MARRIED!"

...and Gawd have mercy on his soul if he ever thinks about putting his dingus in her pooter!

 

[Marxist]

No, that's not what the thread is about and you know it. It's the factual basis on which McCain made an ad and Obama said it was a lie. The alleged lie was that he voted for a bill which would have mandated sex education to elementary school age kids. Obama said that the bill only called for admonitions regarding sexual predators. As one can see, the bill does that but also mandates sex education as well -- at all levels. It's not about sex education. It's about Obama crying foul and making false accusations regarding facts he already knew. This is simply the text of the bill -- and it speaks for itself. Obama was wrong. He voted in favor of the bill as it was written -- no special limiting language with respect to the lower age groups.

This thread shows what the bill said. No amount of spin can turn McCain’s ad into a lie, as it correctly states the facts.

In this particular case, I probably would have voted for the law, were I a state senator at the time, but that's not the point. If you make a vote, you must stand ready to deal with it; you cannot honestly characterize a true statement describing your vote as a "lie" simply because your previous position does not play as well nationally as it did locally.

The correct thing to do was to acknowledge the vote, explain how you interpreted “age appropriate” at the time. It is improper to say that someone taking you to task for your own vote is “lying” once the unpopularity of your vote becomes important to you. That is simply dishonest.

And on ignore you go.

I gave it a shot. I listened to what you had to say even though I didn't agree but when people are purposely pretending to not understand that the materials for Kindergarten wouldn't be the same as those for high school seniors I have to declare myself done.

Disingenuous much?

And for the record, you're a dude.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And on ignore you go.

I gave it a shot. I listened to what you had to say even though I didn't agree but when people are purposely pretending to not understand that the materials for Kindergarten wouldn't be the same as those for high school seniors I have to declare myself done.

Disingenuous much?

And for the record, you're a dude.

What? you mean they weren't really going to show explicit sex education films to kindergartners?

KK, you've turned into a wind-up toy mouthing Limbaugh and Hannity talking points, and are just about as close to reality as they are.. You can't seriously believe that the intent of that legislation was to provide Kindergartners with comprehensive sex-ed.

Are you that stupid?
Really?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Oh yeah.





We really want to have a substantive discussion of the real issues, , instead we're sparring over whether or not Barack is a bed-wetting Liberal. He is, there is no doubt. The REAL question is, is he a corrupt bed-wetting Liberal like the cabal he runs with...?

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=616170

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

And on ignore you go.

I gave it a shot. I listened to what you had to say even though I didn't agree but when people are purposely pretending to not understand that the materials for Kindergarten wouldn't be the same as those for high school seniors I have to declare myself done.

Disingenuous much?

And for the record, you're a dude.

Marxist participates in my threads too...

It sounds like

*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*

 

[Somme]

Oh yeah.





We really want to have a substantive discussion of the real issues, , instead we're sparring over whether or not Barack is a bed-wetting Liberal. He is, there is no doubt. The REAL question is, is he a corrupt bed-wetting Liberal like the cabal he runs with...?

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=616170

Even you would have to admit that as far as Obama's corruption goes it's not anwhere NEAR that of the current cabal, and nor is it anywhere near approaching that of his opponents.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Even you would have to admit that as far as Obama's corruption goes it's not anwhere NEAR that of the current cabal, and nor is it anywhere near approaching that of his opponents.

I have to admit?


Why?





You differ with the current administration on policy. I get that.

They are not being bribed, just stupid.

We HATE WALL STREET EXECUTIVES!
We HATE BIG CEO PAYOUTS!

If you show me where Bush and Co. got the same huge payouts the Democrat team got from the bodies they were supposed to be over-seeing, then I will gladly ceed your point, until then I will not let your political desires poison the conversation.

From rich man to Democrat
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=613119
Limbaugh
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=614775
Boortz
http://townhall.com/columnists/NealBoortz/2008/09/19/the_rest_of_the_meltdown_story
Gorelick
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

 

[busybody..]

Even you would have to admit that as far as Obama's corruption goes it's not anwhere NEAR that of the current cabal, and nor is it anywhere near approaching that of his opponents.

CORRUPTION of the current administraton?

WHAT CORRUPTION?

You mean you disagree with em, thats one thing, but what CORRUPTION?

and CORRUPTION of OPPONENTS? WHAT CORRUPTION?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Rick, I am schocked, SCHOCKED!







DON'T TAZE ME BRO!

 

[busybody..]

TRUTH is what YOU determine it to be

YOU, not YOU, but YOU!


Ever notice how BAM calls all ads by McCain LIES?????????????

Even those that are OBVIOUSLY NOT?

There is NO TRUTH, there is only TRUTH

DEAL WITH IT

MOVE ON!

 

[busybody..]

TRUTH is what YOU determine it to be

YOU, not YOU, but YOU!


Ever notice how BAM calls all ads by McCain LIES?????????????

Even those that are OBVIOUSLY NOT?

There is NO TRUTH, there is only TRUTH

DEAL WITH IT

MOVE ON!

Biden is on TAPE saying NO CLEAN COAL in US

McCain has new ad saying BIDEN SAID NO CLEAN COAL

BAM CALLS IT A LIE


There is no TRUTH, only TRUTH there is

is THRUTH

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

So what?

Biden isn't a reliable source...





He's apt to say most anything. He'll be great wiith world leaders...