Sarah Palin

[Belegon]

Governor of New York. I'd guess that's her next stop.

I can see that. And it wouldn't eliminate her from running again.

I'm not a big Hillary fan. But that doesn't mean I discount her intelligence.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, given that these men were actually reactionary conservatives who didn't, in reality, give three figs for social programs except as a means to reactionary ends . . .

But I'm beginning to get the drift of what makes you categorize Hillary as your "feelings" urge you to do.

Lenin was a reactionary? Not from what I've read. Same with Il Duce and the mad Austrian painter.

As for feelings, I would call it instincts, actually. A survival instinct for sniffing out sociopaths in high places.

I respect that you disagree. I can't prove my bad vibes about either Palin or Hillary. I just have them. I don't expect you to share them, since you're not in my skin. It's a personal, subjective thing. And I know that it's not rational, so it could well be wrong. But it remains alarmingly present.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I don't see a cabinet position. That takes her away from a voter base and won't bolster her credentials any in the voters' minds over continuing to represent New York. The only two cabinet positions that mean anything in terms of presidential aspirations are State and Defense, neither of which suit her. She's not really a foreign policy person and whatever reputation she has that isn't defined by ruthless and ice queen would be torn to shreds in the DOD position.

I laughed when I first heard the Supreme Court appointment idea (from some young starry-eyed delegate at the convention). That's a dead end if I've ever heard of one for someone like her, and she's a legislation lawyer, not anything remotely like a consitutional lawyer. She'd be bored to tears just at the glacial pace of it, and I would think she realizes that on this end of any suggestion of that as a possibility. (Obama, on the other hand, would probably just love to dead end her into the Supreme Court).

Governor of New York. I'd guess that's her next stop.

She'll have tough competition with the incumbent, also a Democrat.

 

[sr71plt]

She'll have tough competition with the incumbent, also a Democrat.

And if she wins out, I suppose that will be evidence of how ruthless and evil she is.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I don't expect you to deny your feelings if that's how they stack up.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

And if she wins out, I suppose that will be evidence of how ruthless and evil she is.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I don't expect you to deny your feelings if that's how they stack up.

Don't worry, it's not all women or all Democrats. Just a handful.

I wonder if I would have had the same radar about BTK. That would have been the acid test.

 

[sr71plt]

But, yes, Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini were all reactionary conservatives at the base, I think (the spectrum curls around on itself, I believe). They just all wore the ideological clothes deemed necessary to permit them to be what they really were.

 

[rgraham666]

The differences between the ideologues of the Left and the ideologues on The Right is like the differences between a water moccasin and a coral snake.

Unimportant. The important thing is if you're bitten by either of them, you're fucked.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The differences between the ideologues of the Left and the ideologues on The Right is like the differences between a water moccasin and a coral snake.

Unimportant. The important thing is if you're bitten by either of them, you're fucked.

That's actually the most accurate and relevant statement I've seen on this thread, come to think of it.

 

[colddiesel]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Sarah Palin is now yesterdays news. The campaign from here on in is about the economy and who can best repair the hip pocket of America.

Nothing else matters any where near so much to the swinging voter.

I'm going to take a small punt that Obama might try and retain Paulsen. It would play well both politically and with Business.

 

[Safe_Bet]

The differences between the ideologues of the Left and the ideologues on The Right is like the differences between a water moccasin and a coral snake.

Unimportant. The important thing is if you're bitten by either of them, you're fucked.

Perfect description!

 

[DeeZire]

Sarah Palin is now yesterdays news. The campaign from here on in is about the economy and who can best repair the hip pocket of America.

Nothing else matters any where near so much to the swinging voter.

I'm going to take a small punt that Obama might try and retain Paulsen. It would play well both politically and with Business.

I think you're giving the swinging voter too much credit, especially in light of that quote from Deepak I posted earlier.

They were discussing Palin today on NPR, and the woman-celebrity aspect of her candidacy is still the deciding factor for many voters. She's up 20 points with women voters since she announced.

 

[sr71plt]

I think you're giving the swinging voter too much credit, especially in light of that quote from Deepak I posted earlier.

They were discussing Palin today on NPR, and the woman-celebrity aspect of her candidacy is still the deciding factor for many voters. She's up 20 points with women voters since she announced.

I think he's giving the American voter too much credit. Yes, the focus certainly should be on the economy (although much of what's sending that down the tubes is Iraq, so I think that's where the major focus should be), and everyone says it is, but the American voter always actually acts on one-shot sound bytes--often the last one they heard. And it can be about anything--even lipstick and pigs.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Here's an analysis that touches on the 'evil' aspect referred to above.

Thanks for that. Very interesting! Do you have the actual link?

 

[DeeZire]

Thanks for that. Very interesting! Do you have the actual link?

I got it in a forwarded email from one of my dirty-hippie-liberal-commie friends. Perhaps if you were to google that Deepak dude?

I'm so glad at least one person read it. I think it should go out in every voter pamphlet, just so people get a better understanding of what, exactly, they're voting for.

 

[neonlyte]

The Palin Doctrine - Neocons 'Trojan Moose'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-palin-doctrine-why-th_b_126511.html

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sr71plt
I don't see a cabinet position. That takes her away from a voter base and won't bolster her credentials any in the voters' minds over continuing to represent New York. The only two cabinet positions that mean anything in terms of presidential aspirations are State and Defense, neither of which suit her. She's not really a foreign policy person and whatever reputation she has that isn't defined by ruthless and ice queen would be torn to shreds in the DOD position.

I laughed when I first heard the Supreme Court appointment idea (from some young starry-eyed delegate at the convention). That's a dead end if I've ever heard of one for someone like her, and she's a legislation lawyer, not anything remotely like a consitutional lawyer. She'd be bored to tears just at the glacial pace of it, and I would think she realizes that on this end of any suggestion of that as a possibility. (Obama, on the other hand, would probably just love to dead end her into the Supreme Court).

Governor of New York. I'd guess that's her next stop.

She'll have tough competition with the incumbent, also a Democrat.

Why wouldn't she just remain a senator? That's in DC, the center of power. If Obama loses, she might well run for president in 2012 but otherwise, just stay a senator until she dies or retires.

As for the incumbent governor, I'm not at all sure he even intends to run for re-election. Most people would run, but his situation is a little different.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Why Experience Matters
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: September 15, 2008 NYT

Philosophical debates arise at the oddest times, and in the heat of this election season, one is now rising in Republican ranks. The narrow question is this: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be vice president? Most conservatives say yes, on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong. But a few commentators, like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum and Ross Douthat demur, suggesting in different ways that she is unready.

Just a note for those keeping score at home. I'm not familiar with Ross Douthat, but the other commentators Brooks mentions, and Brooks himself, are card-carrying conservatives.

Here's a link to the full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
It's on the New York Times site so you may need to register, but that's free.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[sr71plt]

Why wouldn't she just remain a senator? That's in DC, the center of power. If Obama loses, she might well run for president in 2012 but otherwise, just stay a senator until she dies or retires.

As for the incumbent governor, I'm not at all sure he even intends to run for re-election. Most people would run, but his situation is a little different.

Why not just stay a senator? Governor ticks off another "to do" on the list and adds dimension--and has been pointed out everywhere, most of the presidents have come there from governorships--far more than from the Senate. Governor is also the closest job set to that of th president. The more good separate jobs, the better the CV. In fact, if she runs for governor, that's pretty much a signal that she is keeping her hat in the presidential race.

The current governor of New York has already said that he was a caretaker and that Clinton would make a great governor--but that was shortly after he took over (and when he was just about to fall into the same sex scandal mess his boss had just toppled under). The longer he stays in the position, though, the more likely it will be he decides he wants to stay there.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Why not just stay a senator? Governor ticks off another "to do" on the list and adds dimension--and has been pointed out everywhere, most of the presidents have come there from governorships--far more than from the Senate. Governor is also the closest job set to that of th president. The more good separate jobs, the better the CV. In fact, if she runs for governor, that's pretty much a signal that she is keeping her hat in the presidential race.

The current governor of New York has already said that he was a caretaker and that Clinton would make a great governor--but that was shortly after he took over (and when he was just about to fall into the same sex scandal mess his boss had just toppled under). The longer he stays in the position, though, the more likely it will be he decides he wants to stay there.

I know that governor is more closely related to the presidency than senator is. They are both executive offices, as is mayor. That's why I think Sarah Pailin is much more qualified to be vice-president than Barack Obama is qualified to be president. She has six years as a mayor and two as a governor, while all he has done is to vote "present" as a legislator.

 

[cantdog]

I know that governor is more closely related to the presidency than senator is. They are both executive offices, as is mayor. That's why I think Sarah Pailin is much more qualified to be vice-president than Barack Obama is qualified to be president. She has six years as a mayor and two as a governor, while all he has done is to vote "present" as a legislator.

One and a half, as governor.

 

[Belegon]

I know that governor is more closely related to the presidency than senator is. They are both executive offices, as is mayor. That's why I think Sarah Pailin is much more qualified to be vice-president than Barack Obama is qualified to be president. She has six years as a mayor and two as a governor, while all he has done is to vote "present" as a legislator.

I keep hearing this. It's just silly.

I went to a private catholic high school. But if I had gone to the public school and been ASB president, I would have won more votes than Sarah Palin did in Wasilla.

And Alaska's population is 670,000. New York? Eight million. Hmmmm.... guess it should have been Guliani after all.

There are more people in my home city than in the STATE of Alaska.

 

[DeeZire]

I know that governor is more closely related to the presidency than senator is. They are both executive offices, as is mayor. That's why I think Sarah Pailin is much more qualified to be vice-president than Barack Obama is qualified to be president. She has six years as a mayor and two as a governor, while all he has done is to vote "present" as a legislator.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Palin was governor of a state that collects 50% more tax money from the feds than it pays, while a president runs a country with a huge deficit. Palin never has had to deal with a deficit, although she did take her town from zero debt to 22 million in the hole when she was mayor - and then conveniently left the mess for the next guy to clean up. Come to think of it, perhaps she is qualified to be president, at least compared to the current occupant of the Whitehouse.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Wow, this thread is up to 722 posts.

Keep it up, lefties! Pour it on, baby! Thank you sir may I have another?

 

[sr71plt]

Wow, this thread is up to 722 posts.

Keep it up, lefties! Pour it on, baby! Thank you sir may I have another?

If you deleted the posts from lefties, you'd probably still have 350 posts here. Have you been taking lessons in counting from Scouries?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

If you deleted the posts from lefties, you'd probably still have 350 posts here. Have you been taking lessons in counting from Scouries?

He claims to teach creative writing classes, but I think he should be teaching creative COUNTING classes.