Johnny I hardly knew ya

[keeblercrumb]

I always liked John McCain....

There was this undeniable streak of honesty and integrity that seemed to set him apart from many politicians.... Taking controversial stands even when it went against the "party line", etc.

AND I know the Presidential campaign is power politics of the first magnitude and candidates frequently surrender themselves to canned speeches, carefully strategized sound bites, and vague answers to controversial questions and issues. In other words, surrender themselves to the the political hacks who are their handlers.

This is certainly true of Obama, who just does it much smoother than John who seems to stumble around a bit trying to remember his lines....

So let's call that a given...

AND I know that McCain wants to run as fast and as far away from the Bush Presidency as he can.... Understandable...... Who wouldn't? Even if all his campaign rhetoric boils down to "more of the same" or maybe "even more of the same".

But really.... much as I think Cheney was responsible for the philosophy, attitudes and leadership which got us here, it was, after all, Dubya's Presidency. That’s where the shit sticks.

I think it is utterly reprehensible that the McCain campaign would actually ask a sitting Vice President NOT to attend the party convention.... Particularly one who epitomizes what the entire Conservative wing of the Republican Party aspire to.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/05/cheney.convention/index.html

Oh John, John...... What have they done to you? Does this feel like the right thing to do?

-KC

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Wow. Maybe Pinky's afraid of getting shot.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KEEBLER

Cheney isnt conservative. He's a tycoon who plays for the Republican team. Dubya isnt conservative, either. Nor is McCain.

CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/PoliticalPhilosophy/HL86.cfm

 

[keeblercrumb]

Amsterdam Dreams

KEEBLER

Cheney isnt conservative. He's a tycoon who plays for the Republican team. Dubya isnt conservative, either. Nor is McCain.

CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/PoliticalPhilosophy/HL86.cfm

You can give me a link to your other credo "Mein Kampf" too but as the saying goes... "You can run but you cannot hide" JBJ... live with it.

Deny them all you want, but they each call themselves "conservative" and have run for office on that appellation. I imagine that they cannot be comfortable with YOU in the club, either.



-KC

 

[desertslave]

Strategically I think it makes a lot of sense. Cheney isn't running for anything so there's no real need for him to appear. I'm sure McCain would like to distance himself from the Bush regime as much and as pointedly as possible. (He's been doing it off and on for the last 8 years, after all.) It's a very simple way to at least attempt to break perceived ties (which Obama keeps trying to play on) with Bush and to emphasize that he's his own self with his own agenda.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KEEBLER

And Adolph called himself a socialist. Plenty of posters here imagine themselves to be genius. You can call yourself whatever you want. But the labels have definitions and if your deeds dont match your talk.....

 

[3113]

I think it is utterly reprehensible that the McCain campaign would actually ask a sitting Vice President NOT to attend the party convention.... Particularly one who epitomizes what the entire Conservative wing of the Republican Party aspire to.

Ah, but Cheney's got a lesbian daughter. It just wouldn't look good

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

3113

Conservatives dont care who you fuck, we just dont want you fucking in the street.

 

[keeblercrumb]

Amsterdam Dreams

3113

Conservatives dont care who you fuck, we just dont want you fucking in the street.

Oh wait.... That whole Christian Right "Family Values" Mitt Romney/Huckabee thing... They aren't Conservatives either????



Is anybody still a conservative?

-KC

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KEEBLER

People call themselves all kinds of things. Reminds me of the story Lincoln told about an ox.

The ox was very popular with the other farm animals and they wanted to do something nice for him. So they decided to proclaim him a bull, and printed up an official certificate to that effect.

 

[Edward Teach]

I also used to have a lot of respect for McCain and at one time could have seen myself voting for him. But ever since he knuckled under to Bush and the loonies, after all they did to him in SC in 2000, I have lost much of my respect for him and could not vote for him under any circumstances.

 

[3113]

Oh wait.... That whole Christian Right "Family Values" Mitt Romney/Huckabee thing... They aren't Conservatives either????

Apparently not. Nor are all those people who voted for Bush in 2002 out of fear that gay marriages would be legalized if they didn't and who don't want gays to serve openly in the military.....

I honestly don't know who those people are who are anti-gay yet call themselves both conservatives and republicans, on television, on the radio, in congress, in the White House...but if J.J. says they're not conservatives or republicans, then gosh darn, we should take his word for it.

I mean, he's both and he doesn't care who people fuck so all those republican representatives and self-proclaimed conservatives who keep gay bashing must be something else.