Obama in BERLIN TODAY!

[Lost Cause]

Let's put that aside, okay?

McCain's leadership skills and strength of character are not soley based on his POW experience. And telling people that actually does more harm than good.

He's built a solid reputation on the Hill as a straightforward, principled politician who won't compromise his core beliefs. And he honed those skills in Washington, not Vietnam.

But to say that Obama's character is "undisclosed" is another ludicrous statement. All you're saying is that you've never seen Obama lose his temper. So what? That speaks more TO the quality of his character than against it.

You can't- it's what shapes a person's character- like listening to a hate filled preacher for 20 years.


Not to those that understand it.

Again, that discipline and principle is not an inherited trait- it was honed from that truly exceptional POW experience no one can learn from a Poly Sci class.

Who said anything about BHO losing his temper? I didn't.
A person that does not show emotion has no character. BHO is not a genuine person- he's concealed like his heavy smoking and his racism- he believes in the tenets of Marxism and where is his wife who hated America a few years ago? All polish, smoke, an mirrors.

I can't change your opinion and you can't change mine.

 

[RoryN]

I can't change your opinion and you can't change mine.

The tell-tale sentiment of a truly ignorant person. You couldn't have illustrated it any better than this sentence.

 

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What they "understand" isn't necessarily the truth. Perception is not always reality. Therefore, ignorance in practice re: categorizing in this manner by perception is not defendable (or, at least, it shouldn't be) because it inevitably leads to prejudice.

You can't tell people how to think. And while YOU may assume that everyone else is ignorant, I tend to give them a bit more benefit of the doubt.

I think that people can see skin colour and recognizes that white people and black people tend to be culturally different, in the same way that people of different genders are different, or people of different geographic locations are different. This doesn't automatically assume that those differences equate into prejudice.

 

[breakwall]

You can't- it's what shapes a person's character- like listening to a hate filled preacher for 20 years.


Not to those that understand it.

Again, that discipline and principle is not an inherited trait- it was honed from that truly exceptional POW experience no one can learn from a Poly Sci class.

Who said anything about BHO losing his temper? I didn't.
A person that does not show emotion has no character. BHO is not a genuine person- he's concealed like his heavy smoking and his racism- he believes in the tenets of Marxism and where is his wife who hated America a few years ago? All polish, smoke, an mirrors.

I can't change your opinion and you can't change mine.

There's a lot of junk in there LC, no matter how pretty you colour it.

Essentially, you're saying that McCain is who is because of his POW experience.
I hope not. Because I worked for a guy who spent six months in a Vietnam POW camp and he was seriously messed up. So let's hope that McCain learned at least SOMETHING in his twenty years of political service.

On the other hand, the claims you've levelled against Obama are pretty much garbage. More knee-jerk reactionary crap from right wing fringe.

But you're right. I'm not going to change your mind. I just hope nobody else buys the same lines you've bought.

 

[RoryN]

You can't tell people how to think. And while YOU may assume that everyone else is ignorant, I tend to give them a bit more benefit of the doubt.

You're wrong by suggesting I'm doing either.

I think that people can see skin colour and recognizes that white people and black people tend to be culturally different

Great example of perception vs. reality. Culture and race aren't interconnected through some natural law. People may choose to identify with "norms" they perceive or what not, but that doesn't equate reality. I can think of multiple examples of people I know personally who are of different ethnicities but who are, by all intents and purposes, culturally similar.

This doesn't automatically assume that those differences equate into prejudice.

This sort of thinking is an obvious conduit to prejudice. *shrug*

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I can't wait to see what he say's today! Obama has been digging his own grave lately!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/stopliking.jpg

 

[coastal-boy]

That's cool, does not bother me one bit, the guy has nothing logical to contribute to any threads....just one line smartass remarks in all his comments. Anything he has to say is not even worth reading.

If it doesnt bother you...why put him on ignore?

 

[breakwall]

This sort of thinking is an obvious conduit to prejudice. *shrug*

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Actually, I'm disappointed you feel that way.

 

[Saint Boner]

I can't wait to see what he Say's today! Obama has been digging his own grave lately!

What is worse is McLOL with twenty five years experience in politics walks around talking like he is in a daze. McCain has been on both sides of so many issues he can't even finish a sentence for fear of sticking his foot in his mouth again.

All Obama needs to be in this election is Not repubican and Not Mccain. You repubicans should be so proud. The House and Senate are going to be veto proof Democrap come Nov. too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/xonvaldez/supero.jpg

 

[RoryN]

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Actually, I'm disappointed you feel that way.

Lazy thinking has, historically, led to bad things. Making conjectures about people through identifiers such as race and culture, which is what you're talking about, is lazy thinking. Furthermore, believing that this process can be done productively through intellectualizing those conjectures is a trap all too many people fall into. It doesn't work.

Humans are individuals. You'll always find someone who doesn't fit a category, no matter how solid you think the definition is. And that someone is the one who's going to get slighted by said categorization.

And the world is full of someones.

 

[Memphis_Man]

But you're not talking about anything. You're just attacking a candidate. That's just dumb and pointless.
You aren't going to change anyones mind and no one is going to change yours and it's not like most are talking about actual issues. Attacks (mostly baseless) and nothing more.

Comments like this prove you are a sad sad little man that never thinks in a positive way. This trip to Berlin by Obama is going to change a lot of voters outlook. Watch the news tonight! HA!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Comments like this prove you are a sad sad little man that never thinks in a positive way. This trip to Berlin by Obama is going to change a lot of voters outlook. Watch the news tonight! HA!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/JanObama.jpg

 

[breakwall]

Lazy thinking has, historically, led to bad things. Making conjectures about people through identifiers such as race and culture, which is what you're talking about, is lazy thinking. Furthermore, believing that this process can be done productively through intellectualizing those conjectures is a trap all too many people fall into. It doesn't work.

Humans are individuals. You'll always find someone who doesn't fit a category, no matter how solid you think the definition is. And that someone is the one who's going to get slighted by said categorization.

And the world is full of someones.

Compartmentalizing is not lazy thinking. People consistently and effectively break down the complexity of the world around them into workable units that they can decipher.
Again, I'm not condoning prejudice, I'm saying that making generalizations (again, no different then demographics) is not inherently harmful or dangerous.

It certainly can be, there's no doubt. But people use these generalizations in order to assess impact on the one particular, as you say, someone, who is the most important to them: themselves. This is perfectly natural and acceptable behaviour.

Now, applying that back to race goes something like this: Barack Obama is a black man. As a black President, is he going to be aware of the needs of a white person like me? (Two generalizations there, one that Obama is a representative of "Black People" and two, that as a white person, all other White People are generally the same)
If the answer is fully considered, in due context of the American government, the poser of the question should soon realize that the question itself is irrelevant, because the government is diverse enough to address the concerns of ALL people, regardless of race or religion or culture or dominant hand.

The question posed may seem racist, but in fact it's more a concern about the recognition that people who are black may have different concerns about the state of the country than people who are white. I don't necessarily see that as racism.
I see it as pragmatism.
Denying that black people and white people have different viewpoints based on their culture, I think, shuts down a necessary dialogue.

 

[Memphis_Man]

Update!!!!!

Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said: "No one knows which Obama will show. Will it be the ideological, left-wing Democratic primary candidate who vowed to 'end' the war rather than win it, or the Democratic nominee who dismisses the progressing coalition victory as a 'distraction'? Will it be the American populist who has told supporters in the United States that he will demand more from our allies in Europe and get it, or the liberal internationalist hell-bent on being liked in Europe's salons?"

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said: "No one knows which Obama will show. Will it be the ideological, left-wing Democratic primary candidate who vowed to 'end' the war rather than win it, or the Democratic nominee who dismisses the progressing coalition victory as a 'distraction'? Will it be the American populist who has told supporters in the United States that he will demand more from our allies in Europe and get it, or the liberal internationalist hell-bent on being liked in Europe's salons?"

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/stopliking.jpg

 

[Franklin78]

tear down this wall! ronnie reagan? JFK? who does obama think he is? he uses other qoutes from famous speeches and is trying to portray himself as a peacemaker. he is no different than a preacher you see on tv.

 

[pinkstarfish]

I can't wait to see what he say's today! Obama has been digging his own grave lately!

You're a fucking idiot.

I think he's doing spectacularly well on this trip. Heads of state are praising him. The Jerulsalem Post had an article yesterday that called him "the leading candidate" in the American presidential campaign. And where is McCain? Last I saw he was on a golf cart with George H.W. Bush and looking really old there and in some footage from the supermarket cheese aisle. McCain's campaign advisors are really stumbling. He should have used this past week to make major policy statements on domestic issues: the economy, immigration, you name it. Then he'd look like a contender. Now? Not so much...

I agree, he's doing great! He's a great speaker and a compassionate thinker. I like him a lot.

His type of politician always feel comfortable in Berlin-

http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/e/P/hitler26.jpg

You're also a fucking moron.

 

[phrodeau]

tear down this wall! ronnie reagan? JFK? who does obama think he is? he uses other qoutes from famous speeches and is trying to portray himself as a peacemaker. he is no different than a preacher you see on tv.

Which preachers have you been watching?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

tear down this wall! ronnie reagan? JFK? who does obama think he is? he uses other qoutes from famous speeches and is trying to portray himself as a peacemaker. he is no different than a preacher you see on tv.

I hate to keep doing this, but the same whine over and over again deserves the same photoshop...

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/stopliking.jpg

 

[Franklin78]

Which preachers have you been watching?

ummm, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, go to TBN and you watch them beg for cash all day black and white as they drive away in that rolls royce

 

[Franklin78]

I hate to keep doing this, but the same whine over and over again deserves the same photoshop...

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/stopliking.jpg

maybe its why you cant come up with anything any better that that stupid photo duhhhh

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

ummm, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, go to TBN and you watch them beg for cash all day black and white as they drive away in that rolls royce

You're right. That's exactly the same. They're identical. You're brilliant. Voltaire reborn.

Tell us more about the cult...

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

maybe its why you cant come up with anything any better that that stupid photo duhhhh

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg226/dixonclee/JanObama.jpg

 

[RoryN]

Compartmentalizing is not lazy thinking.

It can be.

People consistently and effectively break down the complexity of the world around them into workable units that they can decipher.

...oftentimes into "truisms", which may not really pan out into reality. Human nature.

Again, I'm not condoning prejudice, I'm saying that making generalizations (again, no different then demographics)

Problematic. Demographics aren't usually used to describe personality traits, or facets of culture. They're more along the lines of "single mothers who" or "[this race] in [this tax bracket]." After all, they're related to government.

But people use these generalizations in order to assess impact on the one particular, as you say, someone, who is the most important to them: themselves. This is perfectly natural and acceptable behaviour.

People lie to themselves. I would say that's natural...but, when it comes to impacting someone else, as prejudice does, not acceptable.

Now, applying that back to race goes something like this: Barack Obama is a black man. As a black President, is he going to be aware of the needs of a white person like me? (Two generalizations there, one that Obama is a representative of "Black People" and two, that as a white person, all other White People are generally the same)

Right - two generalizations with no factual foundation, based on race. Continuing...

If the answer is fully considered, in due context of the American government, the poser of the question should soon realize that the question itself is irrelevant, because the government is diverse enough to address the concerns of ALL people, regardless of race or religion or culture or dominant hand.

Okay.

The question posed may seem racist, but in fact it's more a concern about the recognition that people who are black may have different concerns about the state of the country than people who are white.

I'd be wary of anyone yelling "what's [candidate] gonna do for whites/blacks/asians", etc. For good reason. Most of those folks, in my experience, are too racial-centric in their thinking. Many of them are racists.

Denying that black people and white people have different viewpoints based on their culture, I think, shuts down a necessary dialogue.

Assuming that they do does as well.

 

[breakwall]

tear down this wall! ronnie reagan? JFK? who does obama think he is? he uses other qoutes from famous speeches and is trying to portray himself as a peacemaker. he is no different than a preacher you see on tv.

It's working.
Turn on any news network and listen. They're not just reminded of Reagan and JFK, but also Bobby Kennedy and his poverty speech.

You may not like him, but there's no denying, the strategy is paying off.