Gor

[jockdom]

Does any body remember the badly writen fantasy books with a bit of bdsm thrown in?I heard there are people out there that take these pulp fiction books as their bible! Suppose whatever turns you on

 

[kinkyknickers]

No idea, but I'm sure my GF, Minxie, or Master would have read one or two, they're well educated in all things BDSM.

Personally, I like experience in reality as opposed to fantasy.

 

[jockdom]

No idea, but I'm sure my GF, Minxie, or Master would have read one or two, they're well educated in all things BDSM.

Personally, I like experience in reality as opposed to fantasy.

Aye I second that one!Cant wait for october and reality!

 

[kinkyknickers]

Aye I second that one!Cant wait for october and reality!

Awe.... Are you lot going on a date? That's romantic.

Hehe!

Kinky just lurves love

 

[jockdom]

Awe.... Are you lot going on a date? That's romantic.

Hehe!

Kinky just lurves love

Saving for a plane tickett. Wee bit of a romantic is jockshhhh dont want to ruin my cred!

 

[Bandit58]

Does any body remember the badly writen fantasy books with a bit of bdsm thrown in?I heard there are people out there that take these pulp fiction books as their bible! Suppose whatever turns you on

There's a whole forum devoted to things Gorean on collarme - I poked my nose in there once or twice but it all seemed to be very fantasy based and full of subs/slaves who referred to themselves in the third person.....I just found it confusing and really had nothing to do with living the lifestyle in real time

I guess it would be something like playing Dungeons & Dragons or WOW....

Edited to add that I have never read the books.

 

[notalwaysweak]

I haven't read them, but here's an example of a webpage by someone who clearly has: http://www.geocities.com/lakajiradreams2/positions.html (it's various kneeling/submissive postutes, with drawings).

 

[jockdom]

There's a whole forum devoted to things Gorean on collarme - I poked my nose in there once or twice but it all seemed to be very fantasy based and full of subs/slaves who referred to themselves in the third person.....I just found it confusing and really had nothing to do with living the lifestyle in real time

I guess it would be something like playing Dungeons & Dragons or WOW....

Edited to add that I have never read the books.

I want to be the half elf bard!

 

[intothewoods]

I haven't read the books, and haven't felt a reason to, but there are plenty of people who live the Gor lifestyle and take it very seriously. I don't think it's fair to really dismiss Gor because it's fantasy-based. There are a lot of kink interests that are inspired by fantasy and/or role-playing.

The immediate turn off for me is that I'm not into groups that are predominately straight M-Dom. Nothing against straight M-Doms. I just like variety.

 

[notalwaysweak]

I guess it would be something like playing Dungeons & Dragons or WOW....

I put on my robe and wizard hat...

 

[the captians wench]

I like the books. *shrug*

And my first introductions into BDSM were from a group of friends who call themselves Gorean.

Even with them, I have found there are two different types of Gor, what is practiced online, and what is practiced in life. Other than the fact that she has had to memorize the slave poses and can be called into one at her master's whim, I haven't seen much difference between their 24/7 situation and what others talk about. There are little ritualized things, like she serves her master dinner first, then a male guest (if they are bdsm friendly) then she takes her plate (a right as first girl) and finally I can take mine. It's slightly different than modern edict, but charming in its own way I think. In ordinary situations she's not all "yes master" and "this slave" but one look from him and that's all you hear from her *giggles*.

They are both involved in online role play as well as live action role play (she keeps insisting that I come along to one of the live meetings but refuses to let me be a white silk). To see her personality and mannerisms change while she's "in character" is just amazing. You would think she just stepped out of the books.

When they were teaching me, and playing with me in those early days I had to learn the slave positions. I had to remember every male that stuck me was "master" and to thank them and if they offered it to me I had to kiss the whip that they struck me with. Some times I would slip into my own character and start speaking in third person, but it was never required of me, just felt natural.

I think people on this forum are often too hard on this idea. Yes a lot of people practice it online only and well in all honesty most of them seem like a bunch of HNGs and little more, criticizing others if they don't believe that men rule over all others and every female should be naked with a collar around her neck serving Tarisian ale and servicing the men. But some do practice it offline and it's not like the non since you see on which is totally impractical for real life.

How many time have we discussed the difference between BDSM online and BDSM offline? It's the same thing isn't it? Some people choose to live their lives online, who are we to say that they are wrong, or that that is not "real BDSM"? It's real enough to them. Let them have their fun and leave them be.

 

[jockdom]

I haven't read them, but here's an example of a webpage by someone who clearly has: http://www.geocities.com/lakajiradreams2/positions.html (it's various kneeling/submissive postutes, with drawings).

Nice artwork but i prefer Erich von Gothas anytime!

 

[minx1]

I haven't read the books, and haven't felt a reason to, but there are plenty of people who live the Gor lifestyle and take it very seriously. I don't think it's fair to really dismiss Gor because it's fantasy-based. There are a lot of kink interests that are inspired by fantasy and/or role-playing.

The immediate turn off for me is that I'm not into groups that are predominately straight M-Dom. Nothing against straight M-Doms. I just like variety.

I'm with you ITW and agree that it shouldn't be dismissed as fantasy. It might not appeal to everyone, but from what I have read people who live the Gorean lifestyle actually do live it.

And as someone who got a bit miffed by people generalisations and misinformed opinions on online based relationships (mine was an ldr, heavily based around im communications until we went real time)....I'm all for keeping an open mind and not judging others.

Each to their own eh

 

[intothewoods]

I can think of quite a few people who have nothing to do with Gor, and still live a disproportionate amount of their lives online and in a fantasy.

 

[minx1]

I think people on this forum are often too hard on this idea. Yes a lot of people practice it online only and well in all honesty most of them seem like a bunch of HNGs and little more, criticizing others if they don't believe that men rule over all others and every female should be naked with a collar around her neck serving Tarisian ale and servicing the men. But some do practice it offline and it's not like the non since you see on which is totally impractical for real life.

How many time have we discussed the difference between BDSM online and BDSM offline? It's the same thing isn't it? Some people choose to live their lives online, who are we to say that they are wrong, or that that is not "real BDSM"? It's real enough to them. Let them have their fun and leave them be.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[intothewoods]

I'm with you ITW and agree that it shouldn't be dismissed as fantasy. It might not appeal to everyone, but from what I have read people who live the Gorean lifestyle actually do live it.

And as someone who got a bit miffed by people generalisations and misinformed opinions on online based relationships (mine was an ldr, heavily based around im communications until we went real time)....I'm all for keeping an open mind and not judging others.

Each to their own eh

Heh. Missed this.

I've been critical of online relationships, and I also had one. I don't think I'm some paragon of relationship perfection or anything. I wouldn't do it again. But it's not that anything - Gor, online, whatever - is inherently bad.

 

[minx1]

Heh. Missed this.

I've been critical of online relationships, and I also had one. I don't think I'm some paragon of relationship perfection or anything. I wouldn't do it again. But it's not that anything - Gor, online, whatever - is inherently bad.

*laugh* well I just don't like generalisations yanno. No two relationships are the same imo. They are all different; their dynamics differ, they work differently and mean different things to the people involved, whether they are online, gor, vanilla, poly whatever.

There is no blueprint so yeah I completely agree - they aren't inherently bad....they aren't inherently anything. They are all unique in their own way.

 

[Etoile]

Didn't we have some girl around here a little while back who was into Gor and wanted to talk about it and why it was so shunned and stuff? I was all excited that we would get to learn about Gor from her but she never came back.

 

[Bandit58]

Heh. Missed this.

I've been critical of online relationships, and I also had one. I don't think I'm some paragon of relationship perfection or anything. I wouldn't do it again. But it's not that anything - Gor, online, whatever - is inherently bad.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought it was a bad thing. I meant that from my brief exposure to Gor in the forums on collarme, I found it confusing and not something that appealed to me. I'm not cut out for rituals and poses...for me there has to be some point to my service

On the subject of online, I've been there done that twice. I don't think I would do it again, I found it very frustrating. I could never do purely online with no chance of it ever going further. To me that would be a total waste of time. Online as a means to an end? Well it worked out well the second time! [/end hijack]

 

[the captians wench]

Heh. Missed this.

I've been critical of online relationships, and I also had one. I don't think I'm some paragon of relationship perfection or anything. I wouldn't do it again. But it's not that anything - Gor, online, whatever - is inherently bad.

I think we're talking apples and oranges again.

There is a difference between online based relationships (relationships that generate online and have a plan to continue elsewhere) and online only relationships (usually, but not always, based on roleplay and not leading into an offline situation)

I don't do roleplay relationships. I've never done roleplay online, just not my thing and for me personally I don't see the point. Some people enjoy it, good on them.

I am however involved in a relationship where most of our interactions are through IM due to distance. Other than my *pounce*ing or *snuggles*ing or his *kiss you on your nose* every once in a blue moon, there is no posturing of action. While we both enjoy RPGs we don't bring it into our sexlives or relationship. *shrug*

Forgive me if I sound deffencive, I really don't mean to be. I guess I just get my feathers all ruffled when I hear people dismissing these things.

 

[the captians wench]

Didn't we have some girl around here a little while back who was into Gor and wanted to talk about it and why it was so shunned and stuff? I was all excited that we would get to learn about Gor from her but she never came back.

Yes I was thinking about that as well. She was here to educate us....she made what? like 3 posts? then left.

 

[intothewoods]

*laugh* well I just don't like generalisations yanno. No two relationships are the same imo. They are all different; their dynamics differ, they work differently and mean different things to the people involved, whether they are online, gor, vanilla, poly whatever.

There is no blueprint so yeah I completely agree - they aren't inherently bad....they aren't inherently anything. They are all unique in their own way.

Yep, they aren't inherently anything. Someone can have a real life marriage and not really connect with their partner - live a kind of fantasy life. I guess the most important thing is awareness of the reality and limitations of your situation, whatever those may be.

Didn't we have some girl around here a little while back who was into Gor and wanted to talk about it and why it was so shunned and stuff? I was all excited that we would get to learn about Gor from her but she never came back.

Ha, yeah, I was thinking about that thread.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought it was a bad thing. I meant that from my brief exposure to Gor in the forums on collarme, I found it confusing and not something that appealed to me. I'm not cut out for rituals and poses...for me there has to be some point to my service

On the subject of online, I've been there done that twice. I don't think I would do it again, I found it very frustrating. I could never do purely online with no chance of it ever going further. To me that would be a total waste of time. Online as a means to an end? Well it worked out well the second time! [/end hijack]

I know you didn't, Bandit. Those online forums can be such a turn off. Hell, the submissive women forum on FetLife sounds completely unreal to me half the time. I read a lot of the posts and think, uh, what planet are you living on?

 

[A Desert Rose]

I think people spend too much time taking the wrong things seriously.

Why care what any one else thinks about Gor or poly or LDR or whatever your relationship choice is?

The thing to take seriously is the relationship you're in; not the opinions of a bunch of internet strangers.

But I guess we wouldn't have any threads here if everyone thought like that so nevermind... carry on.

 

[minx1]

The thing to take seriously is the relationship you're in; not the opinions of a bunch of internet strangers.

*smiles* very true lol

 

[the captians wench]

I think people spend too much time taking the wrong things seriously.

Why care what any one else thinks about Gor or poly or LDR or whatever your relationship choice is?

The thing to take seriously is the relationship you're in; not the opinions of a bunch of internet strangers.

But I guess we wouldn't have any threads here if everyone thought like that so nevermind... carry on.

*giggles and huggles*

This place would get so boring if the "poly" debate, or the "online vs real" debate, or the occational "isn't that Gor stuff just a buch of fantasy bullshit" debate didn't pop up.