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snoopercharmbrights

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I have found some of my stories, with no attribution, on the Chinese free stories site: http://1570.INFO

Details of the site are as follows
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com Inc. (R171-LRMS)
Registrant ID:GODA-026031381
Registrant Name:shuang lu
Registrant Street1:qing dao
Registrant City:qing dao
Registrant State/Province:shan dong
Registrant Postal Code:200006
Registrant Country:CN
Registrant Phone:+86.861386483000
Registrant Email:nbhost@hotmail.com
 
Yeah, me too. Chapters 1-6 of "Original Sins" and the first part of the "Suggestion" series.

ETA:

At Laurel's suggestion, I wrote to the owner of the site using the infomation posted above. For what it's worth, here's that e-mail:

The website http://1570.INFO is registered to you as noted below:



Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com Inc. (R171-LRMS)
Registrant ID:GODA-026031381
Registrant Name:shuang lu
Registrant Street1:qing dao
Registrant City:qing dao
Registrant State/Province:shan dong
Registrant Postal Code:200006
Registrant Country:CN
Registrant Phone:+86.861386483000
Registrant Email:nbhost@hotmail.com

Subject: Cease and Desist

Your website currently features, without my permission, stories that were written by me and to which I hold copyright under international law. Those stories were stolen verbatim from Literotica.com where they were first published under my pseudonym "GnomeDePlume."

Specifically, the story "Suggestion" in the Voyeur category, and Chapters 1-6 of "Original Sins" in BDSM, are posted to your site without permission and without identifying me as the author.

I require the immediate removal from your website of the stories listed above. I also require you, subject to legal action against you, to cease and desist from posting any of my work whatsoever without explicit written permission from me as the author.
 
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Did you get any reply GnomeDePlume? I'm not an author, so my work could not have been copied but it irritates me all the same! If I can help in any way please let me know!
 
Emilio_di_Roccabruna said:
Did you get any reply GnomeDePlume? I'm not an author, so my work could not have been copied but it irritates me all the same! If I can help in any way please let me know!
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Thanks for asking, Emilio. No, I didn't get a reply, but something very interesting happened. I didn't re-check the site before sending the "Cease and desist" e-mail. I did check a very few minutes later, and my stories had either already been taken down or had been randomized in the alphabetical order to make them harder to find. Either way, it seems unlikely that this could have been accomplished so quickly in response to the e-mail.

That got me wondering: on this forum, I identified by name the stolen stories. I wonder if the creep monitors Lit Forum and proactively takes stories down once the names have been made public to avoid litigation or prosecution.

Food for thought.
 
GnomeDePlume said:
... That got me wondering: on this forum, I identified by name the stolen stories. I wonder if the creep monitors Lit Forum and proactively takes stories down once the names have been made public to avoid litigation or prosecution. ...
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Almost certainly not, for three reasons.
1) They are stealing from more than one site; specifically here and StoriesOnline, and therefore possibly others, and it is unlikely that they monitor all of them.
2) They are based in China where there is, in practice, no copyright law.
3) I suspect (hope) that "Laurel" put pressure on through the Registrar who would doubtless dislike legal action for aiding-and-abetting.

I also wrote demanding that my name be added to my stories on there. I don't mind them having the stories, provided I get due credit for writing them.
 
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snoopercharmbrights said:
They also had three of mine, properly attributed.

The really curious thing is that when I clicked through to see what the format was, they had not loaded the story on to their site; the link took me to the stories on the site where I originally posted them - in one case Literotica as Snooper!
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This site was hashed over extensively on the forum just a few weeks ago. The stories that just have links to their original sites haven't been "stolen." This practice isn't covered by copyright law, and is, basically, just good, free advertising.

Beyond that, don't hold your breath on Lit. taking any action on stories that are lifted from here and reposted (which is a violation of copyright). I haven't seen any evidence this Web site does that--and it permits posters to violate the copyright of others on this site daily.

Chances are good your own efforts would be a waste of time too--especially for sites like the Chinese one initially discussed on this thread. They flaunt international copyright convention, and you have no leverage or physical capability to stripping your works from their sites.

The least frustrating approach is just to appreciate that your writing is getting out there and available for others to enjoy. If you really are concerned about this to the point of not sleeping at night, try staying within the publishing mainstream where copyright is taken seriously. It obviously isn't in the porn industry.
 
sr71plt said:
This site was hashed over extensively on the forum just a few weeks ago. The stories that just have links to their original sites haven't been "stolen." This practice isn't covered by copyright law, and is, basically, just good, free advertising.

Beyond that, don't hold your breath on Lit. taking any action on stories that are lifted from here and reposted (which is a violation of copyright). I haven't seen any evidence this Web site does that--and it permits posters to violate the copyright of others on this site daily.

Chances are good your own efforts would be a waste of time too--especially for sites like the Chinese one initially discussed on this thread. They flaunt international copyright convention, and you have no leverage or physical capability to stripping your works from their sites.

The least frustrating approach is just to appreciate that your writing is getting out there and available for others to enjoy. If you really are concerned about this to the point of not sleeping at night, try staying within the publishing mainstream where copyright is taken seriously. It obviously isn't in the porn industry.
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I agree with most of your points, sr. I'm not losing sleep over the issue--I simply believe in the therapeutic value of ritual gestures. However, the fact remains that, for whatever reason, my stories appear to have been deleted from their site.

I got a PM back from Laurel in which she said that they've taken against the website before, and would again. She added that she questions whether the site owner actually resides in China.

In any event, I feel better for having done something rather than nothing, which was the object of the exercise.
 
sr71plt said:
This site was hashed over extensively on the forum just a few weeks ago. The stories that just have links to their original sites haven't been "stolen." This practice isn't covered by copyright law, and is, basically, just good, free advertising.

Beyond that, don't hold your breath on Lit. taking any action on stories that are lifted from here and reposted (which is a violation of copyright). I haven't seen any evidence this Web site does that--and it permits posters to violate the copyright of others on this site daily.

Chances are good your own efforts would be a waste of time too--especially for sites like the Chinese one initially discussed on this thread. They flaunt international copyright convention, and you have no leverage or physical capability to stripping your works from their sites.

The least frustrating approach is just to appreciate that your writing is getting out there and available for others to enjoy. If you really are concerned about this to the point of not sleeping at night, try staying within the publishing mainstream where copyright is taken seriously. It obviously isn't in the porn industry.
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The part I put in bold is ABSOLUTELY NOT true! Lit's owners, Laurel and Manu, have taken countless actions and defended readers plenty of times against many sites that were stealing stories from here.

To say they don't do a thing is pure malice and pettiness on your part, but that simply is what you are all about so, it doesn't surprise me in the least.
 
LadyCibelle said:
The part I put in bold is ABSOLUTELY NOT true! Lit's owners, Laurel and Manu, have taken countless actions and defended readers plenty of times against many sites that were stealing stories from here.

To say they don't do a thing is pure malice and pettiness on your part, but that simply is what you are all about so, it doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Cite successful efforts, please. Whenever this comes up, I urge posters to report successful results. None have to my knowledge.

And, on the issue of letting copyrighted material be reposted here, all you have to do is look around. AllardChardon has done it twice in the last two days (on the D.C. madam's suicide), for instance, and the posted copyrighted articles were reported and are still there.

Dealing in reality isn't nearly as petty as stringing out a nasty vendetta agenda to the extent of a "moderator" violating the rules of the forum, my dear. You can live a fantasy, if you like. I've pointed to specifics on tolerating copyright infringment here; feel free to point to specifics on successfully keeping stories posted here from being reposted on other sites without permission.

I'm not hyperventilating that it happens--I'm just pointing to the reality of what is happening.
 
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Maybe one idea would be to place a notice of copyright/author credit somewhere
in the middle of your story where it's least expected. It's a crazy idea
but it might stop theft.
Do these thieves actually read the stories thoroughly?
Maybe not.
 
bisexualsmoker said:
Maybe one idea would be to place a notice of copyright/author credit somewhere
in the middle of your story where it's least expected. It's a crazy idea
but it might stop theft.
Do these thieves actually read the stories thoroughly?
Maybe not.
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And, in any event, neither a copyright symbol nor a internally posted author name (although this at least would link back to the original author) really does anything for the author. The point is that the stories are being posted somewhere else without the author getting anything from it. The only reason to even pursue it would be if you could get anything out of it--presumably recompense. You didn't get any monetary recompense out of it when you posted here either. If getting money out of it was the point, you should have tried to sell it without posting it anywhere. The main payoff in posting here is the sharing of the story--there's getting credit for it, too, but as most post here under fake pen names, whatever "credit" they get is within a self-contained set of folks anyway (and, more to the point--and the real kicker here--you have to have actually filed for and received copyright registration--or your case won't be taken up by the court at all).

I think it's healthier to go into posting here with the knowledge up front that you pretty much lose control over where it's going to be reposted. Because that's the reality. If you could get it wiped off one site, it will just pop up on two more you can't get to. By posting it here in the first place, you gave up most of its monetary value in the marketplace. If you go into the posting with the thought that it's a form of flattering if the story appears elsewhere without your permission, you save the useless headaches.
 
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sr71plt said:
Cite successful efforts, please. Whenever this comes up, I urge posters to report successful results. None have to my knowledge.
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There have been several instances since I've been a member here where stories have been removed from sites due to Laurel and Manu's actions (along with copyright violation notices from authors) and some sites were shut down altogether. It has happened.
 
CrimsonMaiden said:
There have been several instances since I've been a member here where stories have been removed from sites due to Laurel and Manu's actions (along with copyright violation notices from authors) and some sites were shut down altogether. It has happened.
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Long on testimonial; meaningless on specifics. It's more comforting to hear that GnomeDePlum got some sort of response from Laurel for a here and now issue--although that shows no actual successful intervention.

The only chance at effectively doing anything (not, as I said, that it's worth all that much even to try) beyond moral suasion with the offending Web site (which isn't all that much hopeful in the realm of porn) is to reach a Web site host that actually cares enough to threaten to pull the plug (sometimes they do--in the case with Absolute Right, with was a libel issue, the host wanted to pull the plug anyway). As noted, there's nothing but moral suasion involved--unless the individual story is actually covered by a registered copyright. (Raise your had if you've done that with your stories.)
 
sr71plt said:
Cite successful efforts, please. Whenever this comes up, I urge posters to report successful results. None have to my knowledge.
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start a thread on the AH, little Miss Can't-be-Wrong, and see how many times Laurel's gone to bat for the authors here.

Long on testimonial; meaningless on specifics.
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Of course, there's no specifics...how the hell are we supposed to "prove" anything like this? But, you'll never admit you're wrong, not in a million years - not about anything.

I've got news for you: you're just as fallible and human as anyone else. Get over yourself.
 
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sr71plt said:
Long on testimonial; meaningless on specifics. It's more comforting to hear that GnomeDePlum got some sort of response from Laurel for a here and now issue--although that shows no actual successful intervention.

The only chance at effectively doing anything (not, as I said, that it's worth all that much even to try) beyond moral suasion with the offending Web site (which isn't all that much hopeful in the realm of porn) is to reach a Web site host that actually cares enough to threaten to pull the plug (sometimes they do--in the case with Absolute Right, with was a libel issue, the host wanted to pull the plug anyway). As noted, there's nothing but moral suasion involved--unless the individual story is actually covered by a registered copyright. (Raise your had if you've done that with your stories.)
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I never started a thread about it, but Laurel helped get one of my stories removed from a blog at Adult Friend Finders. I had tried to do it myself, and got nothing but a run-around. I pm'd Laurel, and she got it removed within a day.
 
cloudy said:
Of course, there's no specifics...how the hell are we supposed to "prove" anything like this? But, you'll never admit you're wrong, not in a million years - not about anything.

I've got news for you: you're just as fallible and human as anyone else. Get over yourself.
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Now this is really funny. I guess you didn't read postings #12 and 13 on this very thread, did you? :D

You're really a trip with your petty little vendeta. I'm perfectly happy for causal forum readers to see you exhibit like this. :)
 
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drksideofthemoon said:
I never started a thread about it, but Laurel helped get one of my stories removed from a blog at Adult Friend Finders. I had tried to do it myself, and got nothing but a run-around. I pm'd Laurel, and she got it removed within a day.
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That's good to know. I think my posting on the conditions/likelihood/"why bother" of it all holds, though. I have no idea why some folks here don't want writers of stories here to know the reality of posting stories on the Internet. I think anyone who wants to be realistic about the risks will find the full discussion useful.
 
sr71plt said:
Long on testimonial; meaningless on specifics. It's more comforting to hear that GnomeDePlum got some sort of response from Laurel for a here and now issue--although that shows no actual successful intervention.

The only chance at effectively doing anything (not, as I said, that it's worth all that much even to try) beyond moral suasion with the offending Web site (which isn't all that much hopeful in the realm of porn) is to reach a Web site host that actually cares enough to threaten to pull the plug (sometimes they do--in the case with Absolute Right, with was a libel issue, the host wanted to pull the plug anyway). As noted, there's nothing but moral suasion involved--unless the individual story is actually covered by a registered copyright. (Raise your had if you've done that with your stories.)
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Once again, no specifics.
I can't point to a particular thread, mainly cos I can't be bothered looking for it, but I do remember about a year ago, when I was still quite new, there were a couple of threads about sites using unattributed stories cribbed from Lit and they were both closed down.
 
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