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[sr71plt]

Bingo! We have a winner.

I told you Sr that you had an ax to grind the day you started here and several times after that. Finally after all this time, here it is all nice and shiny.

And, bingo to you (who apparently haven't absorbed my postings), I've constantly agreed that my ax to grind is that this has been a piranha feeding pool for an ingrown group--most who aren't Lit. writers at all, but the usual "I don't have a real life so I'm here acting like Queen Bountiful." And that I will point to this activity when it's happening and point to its childishness. And I've done that impartially in all directions (including at myself), not just to the active members of the harpies club. (And guess what; it's worked to some extent. There's a higher level of civility and more restraint in jumping down the throat of a newby asking a question that is only new to them.)

Drives you crazy and onto the attack, doesn't it? That's when I know it's working--letting you exhibit for the observation of the vast majority of forum readers who don't post much (those, among other situations, who pumped up BOSTFICTIONWRITERS's "favoritest" rating when they saw "the gang" do a number on him in the Survivor's contest last year--and then here on the boards).

I don't flaunt my background here; I respond to discussion from out of my background--and will continue to do so. Again, I don't think it's my world that's too big, but perhaps your world that is too small. But that's your cross to bear, not mine.

 

[ZanyRaine]

Would that you could. But if "the club" has fingered you for extinction, you can't participate in a simple discussion without the harpies disecting everything you post for "hurt and degrade" opportunity and descending on you. All you can do is point to them and their childish behavior and soldier on. The best revenge, of course, is to not drop to their level of vitrol and personal attack and just not go away.

Sr, I know you're going to think I'm jumping on the bandwagon with this, but I have to disagree with your analogy.

1) No one has "fingered" you for extinction. Not from what I've seen. I used to work in one of those trendy downtown clubs where all the "pretty" people used to gather. Friends would discuss the day, current events and each others' lives over a few drinks. For the most part it was a pleasant environment. It wasn't a place where solutions to the world's problems would be hatched. It was just a place for people to gather over a beer and relax.

Except for one person. People would groan aloud whenever Sean walked in. Some would finish their drinks and leave quickly, others would close ranks and try to ignore him. He would, without fail, always single one conversation out to join uninvited. Sean hated everyone, but expressed it in passive-agressive ways. He would decide that the participants of whatever conversation needed to be "shaken up". They just wanted to enjoy their time together and not have to listen to his superior opinions.

He would start out in what sounded like a polite demeanor, but it was just a disguise to show them how "wrong" they were. Before it was over, everyone in the group would be angry and he would use that to show them how "right" he was. The owner finally banned him from the establishment. You remind me of Sean--so full of anger at those who would not accept him. But why should they accept him when all he wanted to do was cause discomfort?

2) If you don't wish to "drop to their level", why do you constantly rise to the occasion? It seems to me that a person of your obvious intelligence would just laugh and go on. No, I think you enjoy the dissention you create. And if you enjoy it so much, you really should stop complaining about the remarks made. It should be expected by now. So many here only wish to fight with someone. Your tactics are a bit different than many, but I see the same dynamic in your posts. It's not a public service you offer. It's just more of the same.

None of this was intended as a personal attack on you. It was just my own observation.

 

[sr71plt]

Sr, I know you're going to think I'm jumping on the bandwagon with this, but I have to disagree with your analogy.

1) No one has "fingered" you for extinction. Not from what I've seen. I used to work in one of those trendy downtown clubs where all the "pretty" people used to gather. Friends would discuss the day, current events and each others' lives over a few drinks. For the most part it was a pleasant environment. It wasn't a place where solutions to the world's problems would be hatched. It was just a place for people to gather over a beer and relax.

Except for one person. People would groan aloud whenever Sean walked in. Some would finish their drinks and leave quickly, others would close ranks and try to ignore him. He would, without fail, always single one conversation out to join uninvited. Sean hated everyone, but expressed it in passive-agressive ways. He would decide that the participants of whatever conversation needed to be "shaken up". They just wanted to enjoy their time together and not have to listen to his superior opinions.

He would start out in what sounded like a polite demeanor, but it was just a disguise to show them how "wrong" they were. Before it was over, everyone in the group would be angry and he would use that to show them how "right" he was. The owner finally banned him from the establishment. You remind me of Sean--so full of anger at those who would not accept him. But why should they accept him when all he wanted to do was cause discomfort?

2) If you don't wish to "drop to their level", why do you constantly rise to the occasion? It seems to me that a person of your obvious intelligence would just laugh and go on. No, I think you enjoy the dissention you create. And if you enjoy it so much, you really should stop complaining about the remarks made. It should be expected by now. So many here only wish to fight with someone. Your tactics are a bit different than many, but I see the same dynamic in your posts. It's not a public service you offer. It's just more of the same.

None of this was intended as a personal attack on you. It was just my own observation.

Don't think you've been around much. And sure I enjoy it. That's part of the reason for toying with ingrown cyber clubs--enjoying doing so and watching the reaction to this. That's precisely what Scouries is doing on this thread. (I don't think it's what motivates BTW, though).

The kicker is that anyone who wants to have a nice, balanced, substance-driven conversation with me anywhere on the forum certainly can do so--with me having one right back--without me dredging up any past history of board behavior. They've always had that choice/opportunity.

 

[scouries]

and now for something completely different…

Its weird…it’s something I never thought or guessed would happen…

Sure the gap has been closing for over a year now…but still, the lead the one story had over the other always seemed insurmountable to my mind.

But it looks like sometime in the next 30 days or so

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”Ohhh…Mommy,” I Groaned

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will pass​

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”Daddy”, I Whispered

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and become james r scouries #1 bestseller of all time. And you know I’m not so sure I’m going to be happy to see it happen. But “mommy”, which started 300,000 views behind and now only trails by 10,000 in sales, has fought to be #1 so maybe she deserves it.

Still, even though she’s out selling “daddy” these days, and generating a big fat royalty check every month, she still trails in votes. By a long ways! “Daddy’s” way out in front there! That’s even though “mommy” is perhaps the third highest vote getter in LITEROTICA history. And she’s also way behind in comments and e-mails.

Still, they’re both excellent.

Which one do you prefer?

jrs

 

[ZanyRaine]

Don't think you've been around much. And sure I enjoy it. That's part of the reason for toying with ingrown cyber clubs--enjoying doing so and watching the reaction to this. That's precisely what Scouries is doing on this thread. (I don't think it's what motivates BTW, though).

The kicker is that anyone who wants to have a nice, balanced, substance-driven conversation with me anywhere on the forum certainly can do so--with me having one right back--without me dredging up any past history of board behavior. They've always had that choice/opportunity.

It's true that I haven't been here all that long. I've only been here a few weeks, although I spent some time reading many of the threads and getting a feel for the atmosphere. For the most part, I see a congenial place full of well-meaning people who care a great deal about most everyone else.

Except you, perhaps. It seems that you harbor a great deal of anger toward most people here. I've seen a few posts where you have had pleasant conversations with others, but not many. I have to say that it can't only be the fault of everyone else involved.

I see in you an intelligent and sensitive person who could offer help to so many. It's a shame you only wish to use your gifts to cause more anger.

 

[sr71plt]

It's true that I haven't been here all that long. I've only been here a few weeks, although I spent some time reading many of the threads and getting a feel for the atmosphere. For the most part, I see a congenial place full of well-meaning people who care a great deal about most everyone else.

Except you, perhaps. It seems that you harbor a great deal of anger toward most people here. I've seen a few posts where you have had pleasant conversations with others, but not many. I have to say that it can't only be the fault of everyone else involved.

I see in you an intelligent and sensitive person who could offer help to so many. It's a shame you only wish to use your gifts to cause more anger.

As the monarch said in Amadeus (over and over), "Ah, there it is then."

Look forward to having nice conversations with you on the boards.

 

[ZanyRaine]

As the monarch said in Amadeus (over and over), "Ah, there it is then."

Look forward to having nice conversations with you on the boards.

Thank you. I shall look forward to it as well.

 

[freshface]

It's true that I haven't been here all that long. I've only been here a few weeks, although I spent some time reading many of the threads and getting a feel for the atmosphere. For the most part, I see a congenial place full of well-meaning people who care a great deal about most everyone else.

Except you, perhaps. It seems that you harbor a great deal of anger toward most people here. I've seen a few posts where you have had pleasant conversations with others, but not many. I have to say that it can't only be the fault of everyone else involved.

I see in you an intelligent and sensitive person who could offer help to so many. It's a shame you only wish to use your gifts to cause more anger.

I don't think that's fair. I haven't been here that long myself, but I don't see anger in his posts, and I don't think his goal is to cause more anger. Discomfort maybe, but not anger.

This does appear to be a congenial place with open minded, creative, and well meaning people. That's why I like it here. It's also an internet forum, with the cliques and occasional mob mentality that goes with that. From what I've seen, SR is not afraid to call people on that. While he might not be the most diplomatic person on the forum, I think it does help keep mob mentality at bay.

 

[ZanyRaine]

I don't think that's fair. I haven't been here that long myself, but I don't see anger in his posts, and I don't think his goal is to cause more anger. Discomfort maybe, but not anger.

This does appear to be a congenial place with open minded, creative, and well meaning people. That's why I like it here. It's also an internet forum, with the cliques and occasional mob mentality that goes with that. From what I've seen, SR is not afraid to call people on that. While he might not be the most diplomatic person on the forum, I think it does help keep mob mentality at bay.

That's where you and I disagree. Some of his posts have been intended to cause anger, albeit, with his own good intentions. There have been instances where he has perceived the joking of some of the "regulars" to be attacks on others--without waiting to see how the subjects of said jokes have reacted to the issues. It's been my experience that many people have a good sense of humor and will give people the benefit of the doubt, but he decided that the jokesters had to be taken to task. That's just one example.

Sr, I will hand it to you, though. You do use a certain amount of decorum and restraint. Others here could learn from that.

 

[sr71plt]

Umm. How about them NFL draft picks?

 

[ZanyRaine]

Umm. How about them NFL draft picks?

LOL. Was that supposed to be a smooth change of subject?

I don't know much about the NFL. I'm more of a baseball fan.

 

[sr71plt]

LOL. Was that supposed to be a smooth change of subject?

I don't know much about the NFL. I'm more of a baseball fan.

Having lived much of my life out of the States, I don't follow American football much either (especially after the Redskins started to disintigrate). But Chris Long is a near neighbor of mine, so it's been a little difficult ignoring the NFL draft this year.

Change the subject? What subject. Right. It isn't a subject I usually initiate or wallow in for very long, given the choice and after the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" barbs subside.

 

[Daniellekitten]

Having lived much of my life out of the States, I don't follow American football much either (especially after the Redskins started to disintigrate). But Chris Long is a near neighbor of mine, so it's been a little difficult ignoring the NFL draft this year.

Change the subject? What subject. Right. It isn't a subject I usually initiate or wallow in for very long, given the choice and after the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" barbs subside.

You could have tried...How about the price of gas? It's horrendous.

 

[ZanyRaine]

You could have tried...How about the price of gas? It's horrendous.

Oh, I know. I have to do some traveling this week. I just hope my expense account holds out.

 

[sr71plt]

You could have tried...How about the price of gas? It's horrendous.

That's all relative. The last country I lived in (Cyprus) it was over $6/gallon--and that was 12 years ago. Americans have been heavily subsidized until now. No reason why we shouldn't pay comparably for what we use. We've had a whole bunch of time to wean ourselves off gasoline, and we haven't done so to any meaningful level.

My family is coping. My commute to work now is fifty feet down a hallway from my bed. My wife drives a hybrid (and not a stripped-down model either--a very nice Camry). (we won't mention the old Mercedes lurking in the back of the garage). Americans have this insanity of insisting on living 20 miles or more through stop-and-go traffic away from where they work--and until recently, wanting to drive a Hummer to get there.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Would that you could. But if "the club" has fingered you for extinction, you can't participate in a simple discussion without the harpies disecting everything you post for "hurt and degrade" opportunity and descending on you. All you can do is point to them and their childish behavior and soldier on.

Soldiering on is a sacred duty, right? Difficult, dangerous, but the satisfaction of virtue is its own reward.

The best revenge, of course, is to not drop to their level of vitrol and personal attack and just not go away.

Don't think you've been around much. And sure I enjoy it. That's part of the reason for toying with ingrown cyber clubs--enjoying doing so and watching the reaction to this. That's precisely what Scouries is doing on this thread. (I don't think it's what motivates BTW, though).

And thus art thou a troll. People often use the word to mean "That guy who doesn't agree with me" but you, my dear, define the term just as well as Scouries does.

The kicker is that anyone who wants to have a nice, balanced, substance-driven conversation with me anywhere on the forum certainly can do so--with me having one right back--without me dredging up any past history of board behavior. They've always had that choice/opportunity.

Uh, no-- you choose to misunderstand human dynamics once more.

You could have a nice, balanced conversation on this board, with anyone you wanted to-- if you acknowledged your past history (the one you, of course, deny) and showed a sign that you might make amends.

You would have to find your niche. The group is under no obligation to make a niche for you. You've never given these people one good reason to do so, either. It's been fascinating to me, watching you personify this process.

 

[Daniellekitten]

Okay, let's try a writing question. I got feed back on one of my stories today asking if I always had to use the Lord's name in vain. I think I used one God dammit in almost five thousand words. They waded through the fucks and shits and sex and bitched about one God Dammit. Should erotica writers not use words like that in their work?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ah, hahaha, someone is worried blasphemy in an incest story--
Isn't the entire story blasphemous? They're going to hell just for reading it!

 

[sr71plt]

Okay, let's try a writing question. I got feed back on one of my stories today asking if I always had to use the Lord's name in vain. I think I used one God dammit in almost five thousand words. They waded through the fucks and shits and sex and bitched about one God Dammit. Should erotica writers not use words like that in their work?

I don't know they should, but I've heard my older sister use it at work--and she's a minister.

Still, some of us seem to have an inbred disaffinity to use a "God dammit" in certain places/circumstances. I still remember when I sang in a choir that did a concert at National Cathedral that ended with a convoluted Vaughn Williams "Amen" in the cathedral's narthex. We botched the job. I let an "oh, shit" escape my lips, and the acoustics in the narthex are first rate. I shudder at the thought of what worst I could have uttered for the circumstance.

If I use it in writing--and of course it often fits with a character in dialogue--I usually back off and either lowercase "god" or spell it "gawd." Just bows slightly to the issue, yes, but I consider any indignation that results to be the "indignator's" problem.

Which brings us Stella's tortured last but one posting . . .

 

[Stella_Omega]

"indignator" good word!
But it's not my torture, dude, I'm just observing and describing what I see.

It also occurs to me that "god" is not his name-- it's a job description.

 

[sr71plt]

"indignator" good word!
But it's not my torture, dude, I'm just observing and describing what I see.

It also occurs to me that "god" is not his name-- it's a job description.

Naw, you're just doing the usual try to "hurt and degrade" game thing. And it's significant that you are continuing to do it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Naw, you're just doing the usual try to "hurt and degrade" game thing. And it's significant that you are continuing to do it.

I'm sure it "hurts" to have your actions described with less approval than they so obviously deserve. I don't see how that's "degrading," though.
But I'll stop.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm sure it "hurts" to have your actions described with less approval than they so obviously deserve. I don't see how that's "degrading," though.
But I'll stop.

We'll see. Go fish. But I mean that in the nicest way--when you're fishing, you start to let loose of all those silly, petty things you otherwise think are so important.

 

[Darkniciad]

Okay, let's try a writing question. I got feed back on one of my stories today asking if I always had to use the Lord's name in vain. I think I used one God dammit in almost five thousand words. They waded through the fucks and shits and sex and bitched about one God Dammit. Should erotica writers not use words like that in their work?

In a way, I cheat. Anything in my fantasy world gets "gods" substituted. Whenever I use it in a real world setting, I drop the caps, and I do tend to avoid it or use a variation wherever it fits the character.

If the character is saying it in my head, though, I put it in. I don't argue much with my character's dialogue.

 

[sr71plt]

In a way, I cheat. Anything in my fantasy world gets "gods" substituted. Whenever I use it in a real world setting, I drop the caps, and I do tend to avoid it or use a variation wherever it fits the character.

If the character is saying it in my head, though, I put it in. I don't argue much with my character's dialogue.

Right, for in character dialogue. And anyone reading who objects can be recommended to Jack and Jill magazine.

I don't think I've even used "fuck" outside of a story or the bedroom.