younger/Mature female sub/slaves

[Fusion_Inc]

what do/would you like about having a younger/mature female as your sub/slave

 

[Chicklet]

what do/would you like about having a younger/mature female as your sub/slave

what?

 

[YourCaptor]

Are you one?

 

[myinnerslut]

im 20, so younger. last i checked i was definitly female. and i am without a doubt pyl.

as far as i know homburg doesnt have a problem with me.

im not really sure what your getting at, can you be more specific?

 

[Homburg]

Nope, no problems, doll. You are lovely

My guess on this question is asking about young versus mature, and the advantages of each.

I can't personally speak to mature submissives. viv is a few months older than I am, but I would not call her "mature". myinnerslut is younger by a wee bit (over a decade), but it honestly does not come into play. She is a mature and incredibly together woman, and simply does not act like her peers in age.

I'm not into ageplay, so it really is not an issue either way. I love viv for being viv and mis for being mis. Their ages are immaterial.

 

[twysted73]

As Homburg has mentioned....

..age is only a number past 20.
It's your mind, it's wealth of curiousity and your yearning to discover new things about yourself, your limits and your passions.

So now that age is inconsequential, let's focus on the better question as I see it.
And that is:

"How do I feel about an eager submissive woman?"
I quite enjoy them. Their thoughts, perceptions, intellect, vitality, eagerness to please and be pleasured.


See now that wasn't nearly as difficult now was it?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Guess it depends on the dynamics of the relationship and those involved. I am 9 years older than F and it works in all the ways that count and then some. Long term I think there are more often than not issues and a limited time period for togetherness and happiness when there is a huge age gap of say 15+ years. Not always, but my experience has been most people with that age gap between them find that over time it stops working as well as it did in the beginning. Once again though it is dependent on the dynamics and more so the people involved and the basis of their relationship. If it is a sexual basis with little other substance, no matter what age those involved are, it usually has a time limit in terms of commitment if it is the primary relationship. As to what some like about having a younger sub/slave...dare I suggest it is good for the ego, especially the male variety...and also the younger female who feels flattered to be the focus of an older man, and often sees it as being all grown up. Is that a good enough reason? Wouldn't work for me now I have the benefit of hindsight and experience, but it is OK for some for a variety of reasons.

Catalina

 

[intothewoods]

Guess it depends on the dynamics of the relationship and those involved. I am 9 years older than F and it works in all the ways that count and then some. Long term I think there are more often than not issues and a limited time period for togetherness and happiness when there is a huge age gap of say 15+ years. Not always, but my experience has been most people with that age gap between them find that over time it stops working as well as it did in the beginning. Once again though it is dependent on the dynamics and more so the people involved and the basis of their relationship. If it is a sexual basis with little other substance, no matter what age those involved are, it usually has a time limit in terms of commitment if it is the primary relationship. As to what some like about having a younger sub/slave...dare I suggest it is good for the ego, especially the male variety...and also the younger female who feels flattered to be the focus of an older man, and often sees it as being all grown up. Is that a good enough reason? Wouldn't work for me now I have the benefit of hindsight and experience, but it is OK for some for a variety of reasons.

Catalina

I agree with you. It's rare that a couple with an age difference that substantial works out. Of course, as you get older, the number of years isn't quite as signficant. I'm 33 and I have more in common with a 43 year old than a 23 year old. I'd also consider dating a 43 year old, but not a 23 year old. I'm seeing someone now, but I wouldn't date (for relationship purposes, anyway) anyone under 25. Persons in their 20s and persons in their 30s, or their 40s are in such completely different places in their lives, and a person in his or her early 20s especially still has so many lessons to learn on his or her own.

 

[WickedEve]

I agree with you. It's rare that a couple with an age difference that substantial works out. Of course, as you get older, the number of years isn't quite as signficant. I'm 33 and I have more in common with a 43 year old than a 23 year old. I'd also consider dating a 43 year old, but not a 23 year old. I'm seeing someone now, but I wouldn't date (for relationship purposes, anyway) anyone under 25. Persons in their 20s and persons in their 30s, or their 40s are in such completely different places in their lives, and a person in his or her early 20s especially still has so many lessons to learn on his or her own.

I was in a relationship for a very long time. He was 20 years my senior and we got along fine. My current dom is only 2 1/2 years older and I have to admit, we have more in common, but the years aren't as big a deal as the person who has experienced them.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I agree with you. It's rare that a couple with an age difference that substantial works out. Of course, as you get older, the number of years isn't quite as signficant. I'm 33 and I have more in common with a 43 year old than a 23 year old. I'd also consider dating a 43 year old, but not a 23 year old. I'm seeing someone now, but I wouldn't date (for relationship purposes, anyway) anyone under 25. Persons in their 20s and persons in their 30s, or their 40s are in such completely different places in their lives, and a person in his or her early 20s especially still has so many lessons to learn on his or her own.

In some ways the gap doesn't matter as both get older, but in other ways it can matter significantly. I have known of pyl's in the 40's and 50's who have been with a PYL 15 or more years older who have found that while it seemed OK and an advantage in the past, it now becomes a factor which restricts their life a lot. Often as we grow older we develop more health issues which do restrict what we can do and enjoy, which even though you may love someone, can become frustrating at times if you are still feeling like doing those things your partner no longer wants/is able to.

Sometimes the PYL will give the pyl the freedom to still do those things with others or on their own, but it isn't always a case of 'if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with' (or in this case have the freedom to pursue your own needs/interests/wants alone or with others) as deep down you want to share those things with the person you are committed to, see their joy, simply be with them. It can be a vicious circle to which there is no right answer, and often no happy compromise. I also think in this situation it sometimes becomes crystal clear to one or both just how short life can be, and to feel an important part of your life is restricted, maybe even not going to happen due to your partner's needs and/or restrictions, can at times raise problems of it's own in that you realise you are not going to get another opportunity, another chance to do those things which mean so much to you and your life itself.

Catalina

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I've met guys older than me who are total brats. OTOH my Master is 24, 4 years my junior. It's no problem to me because our personalities, interests and goals match up.

Within reasonable and legal boundaries, I honestly don't think age should be a factor. Of course, I'm not a superficial person who cares much about looks, fashion, finances or whatever.

Master couldn't be called conventionally attractive, but I fancy the ass off him and love him to death. His age was immaterial. I didn't go 'Yay! I got myself a toyboy!' (well maybe on occasion but only for a giggle) and vice versa. In fact, although he's younger than me, I definitely look younger than him. My best friend's 4 year old asked the other day how my 'Daddy' was. I was confused until I realised he had completely misjudged Master L's age because he has a beard and assumed he was my father. Not a conventional toyboy then.

 

[WickedEve]

In some ways the gap doesn't matter as both get older, but in other ways it can matter significantly. I have known of pyl's in the 40's and 50's who have been with a PYL 15 or more years older who have found that while it seemed OK and an advantage in the past, it now becomes a factor which restricts their life a lot. Often as we grow older we develop more health issues which do restrict what we can do and enjoy, which even though you may love someone, can become frustrating at times if you are still feeling like doing those things your partner no longer wants/is able to.


Catalina

After my last post, I actually thought about the health factor. I believe the person I'm with now has a opportunity to be with me longer and still be able to do some of the things we both enjoy. We're in our 40s. If I'd stayed with the other man, he would have been almost 70 by the time I turned 50. Yeah, that could have been an issue.
Of course, the guy I'm with now smokes. The older guy takes good care of himself. I'm a diabetic. The older guy may be the one in better health ten years from now.

 

[catalina_francisco]

After my last post, I actually thought about the health factor. I believe the person I'm with now has a opportunity to be with me longer and still be able to do some of the things we both enjoy. We're in our 40s. If I'd stayed with the other man, he would have been almost 70 by the time I turned 50. Yeah, that could have been an issue.
Of course, the guy I'm with now smokes. The older guy takes good care of himself. I'm a diabetic. The older guy may be the one in better health ten years from now.

LOL, there are lots of factors to be considered when looking at these issues. For instance, though I am 9 years older and overall have more major health problems, I am the more active of the 2 of us, handle nearly all the physical work unless it is just something too heavy to move and then F or my son will move whatever it is and disappear again...and I also take care of the everyday things like housework, shopping etc., and the finances. Basically he just has to sit and ask for whatever he wants, and as he works from home most of the time, that means on top of everything I do from renovating to finances, I am on call 24/7 (and yes, that is 24/7 as he often can't sleep and so will sit up all night or get up at 2am) to fetch coffee, food, tissues, give him a massage, trim his hair or beard, give him a manicure/pedicure, or just sit with him when he wants me to. I also love walking, even when in pain, but F just does not handle it well at all or like it, so usually doesn't go for a walk with me unless it is going to be short with no stopping on the way...so almost never. It does raise some comments from people who know us, both those who know the dynamics of our relationship, and those who don't.

Catalina

 

[WickedEve]

LOL, there are lots of factors to be considered when looking at these issues. For instance, though I am 9 years older and overall have more major health problems, I am the more active of the 2 of us, handle nearly all the physical work unless it is just something too heavy to move and then F or my son will move whatever it is and disappear again...and I also take care of the everyday things like housework, shopping etc., and the finances. Basically he just has to sit and ask for whatever he wants, and as he works from home most of the time, that means on top of everything I do from renovating to finances, I am on call 24/7 (and yes, that is 24/7 as he often can't sleep and so will sit up all night or get up at 2am) to fetch coffee, food, tissues, give him a massage, trim his hair or beard, give him a manicure/pedicure, or just sit with him when he wants me to. I also love walking, even when in pain, but F just does not handle it well at all or like it, so usually doesn't go for a walk with me unless it is going to be short with no stopping on the way...so almost never. It does raise some comments from people who know us, both those who know the dynamics of our relationship, and those who don't.

Catalina

I love walking, too. I have been walking almost every day for about 7 or 8 years. Now I'm trying to get my man to walk and eat right. I won't force him to try soy milk or tofu, but I have made a fuss about his triple cheese burgers. lol

 

[catalina_francisco]

I love walking, too. I have been walking almost every day for about 7 or 8 years. Now I'm trying to get my man to walk and eat right. I won't force him to try soy milk or tofu, but I have made a fuss about his triple cheese burgers. lol

LOL, good luck then...I have tried, but we are at the "I know, just don't tell me...I'll change when I am ready'...so I go my merry way and just as with smoking or any addiction, leave it to him to decide when the moment is right for him. Don't see him ever doing the walking thing though.

Catalina

 

[intothewoods]

In some ways the gap doesn't matter as both get older, but in other ways it can matter significantly. I have known of pyl's in the 40's and 50's who have been with a PYL 15 or more years older who have found that while it seemed OK and an advantage in the past, it now becomes a factor which restricts their life a lot. Often as we grow older we develop more health issues which do restrict what we can do and enjoy, which even though you may love someone, can become frustrating at times if you are still feeling like doing those things your partner no longer wants/is able to.

Sometimes the PYL will give the pyl the freedom to still do those things with others or on their own, but it isn't always a case of 'if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with' (or in this case have the freedom to pursue your own needs/interests/wants alone or with others) as deep down you want to share those things with the person you are committed to, see their joy, simply be with them. It can be a vicious circle to which there is no right answer, and often no happy compromise. I also think in this situation it sometimes becomes crystal clear to one or both just how short life can be, and to feel an important part of your life is restricted, maybe even not going to happen due to your partner's needs and/or restrictions, can at times raise problems of it's own in that you realise you are not going to get another opportunity, another chance to do those things which mean so much to you and your life itself.

Catalina

I didn't even think about that factor. Makes sense. From where I'm sitting, I am pretty sure I want more kids (not totally decided yet, but leaning, considering), and most older men aren't interested in having more kids, or can't. That's usually where I draw the line on the higher end of the age range.

I totally admit that the Pygmallion fantasy is very appealing, but in reality, I don't know that I would enjoy it for long, or that it would be a good fit for me.

 

[intothewoods]

LOL, good luck then...I have tried, but we are at the "I know, just don't tell me...I'll change when I am ready'...so I go my merry way and just as with smoking or any addiction, leave it to him to decide when the moment is right for him. Don't see him ever doing the walking thing though.

Catalina

Mine has just started walking a lot, after complaining about it for months. He finally switched jobs and has a better commute by public transportation (and walking). I'm actually ecstatic about it. He has dogs as well, and now we can all go out for a long walk together.

 

[snowbyte]

My pet is 20 years my junior. Neither of us was looking for someone with this kind of age difference, it just happened.

Because of work, family, etc... we aren't able to see each other all of the time as has been typical in previous vanilla and bdsm relationships that I've been in. But we are usually able to play once a week. This constraint on "quality time" has also effectively prevented the early passion-burnout that I've seen happen in other relationships.

As far as potential health issues 20 years down the road, it really doesn't matter. I may die this afternoon or next week as may she. Live for today for tomorrow may never come. If we have 20 good years together, it would be a blessing from the gods for us both. I am not going to let what may or may not happen in April 2028 affect the time we have together now.

 

[catalina_francisco]

If we have 20 good years together, it would be a blessing from the gods for us both. I am not going to let what may or may not happen in April 2028 affect the time we have together now.

While what you say has some truth in it, realistically speaking from your point of view, in 20 years time you will still be the one who is the oldest, but have lived a good chunk of your life the way you chose and possibly be looking to be looked after more so than have a passionate relationship, while the pyl will still be 20 years younger but also 20 years older than now and without knowing specific ages, would guess that would then put them in the 40+ or close to it age bracket? While some of us in that age bracket do still find a partner to share the rest of our lives with in bliss, for a woman especially it does lessen the odds of finding that person and having someone to grow old with, share your life with, be pyl to, it does become more difficult. So while either of you could be run over by a truck tomorrow, if you both aren't your pyl could be facing a future they didn't bargain on or wish for while you could be quite happy with the way things stood.

As an aside, I am one who finds it strange when people feel seeing each other once a week keeps the passion flowing that is assumed would have died in a short while if seeing each other daily. I can honestly say that after almost 6 years 24/7 with F, the passion is far from burnt out for either of us, and if anything, is still growing and finding new ways to express itself. I think the reason it burns out is because people take it for granted, take each other for granted, and don't feel it necessary to do anything to keep both the love and passion fresh and bubbling. Even once a week, if you do the same thing, take each other for granted, leave it all up to luck, passion will soon diminish IMO.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Mine has just started walking a lot, after complaining about it for months. He finally switched jobs and has a better commute by public transportation (and walking). I'm actually ecstatic about it. He has dogs as well, and now we can all go out for a long walk together.

LOL, I don't see that happening here anytime soon...I am putting fruit before him a couple of times a day at least which he is eating, so it is a start to building a healthier lifestyle.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

I totally admit that the Pygmallion fantasy is very appealing, but in reality, I don't know that I would enjoy it for long, or that it would be a good fit for me.

I think it has great appeal, but the reality like you say, can be vastly different. The ideal would be to have a man of some means who could afford to transform a pyl in style (not meaning diamonds and lavish lifestyle, but the means and knowledge to add polish and expose a younger woman to a different lifestyle and culture than just suburban mum with 2.5 children and a lot of stress)...reality is more often than not they do not have the means to do that or even make ends meet easily, and for many the chronological number is the biggest thing they possess..and sometimes an ego and middle age crisis.

Younger women can get drawn into it by flattery, especially about their beauty, intelligence, maturity, and sense they are doing things their peers aren't. Unfortunately for many, they wake up one day that yes, they are doing things their peers aren't, but not necessarily fun and often at the cost of their youth and all the growing experiences they could have had..slower journey perhaps, but a fast ride is not always a good way to get to your destination. For some it will work, for most it does not turn out the way they dreamed it would.

Catalina

 

[Tebazile]

Master is five years older than me, and that's perfect for me, really. For some reason, it seriously bothers me to date a guy who's younger than me. And that's just dating! I can't imagine subbing for one, ever.

 

[snowbyte]

Have a good twenty year run with a partner at any age is a good thing. I realize that now more than ever. But I will make sure that my pet and I continue to discuss the potential consequences of our age difference until I'm confident that she fully understands what she is getting into (as much as that is possible). It may turn out that she's ultimately is not comfortable with the idea. As of now, though, we are commited to eachother for an indefinite period of time.

 

[snowbyte]

As an aside, I am one who finds it strange when people feel seeing each other once a week keeps the passion flowing that is assumed would have died in a short while if seeing each other daily.

Being consumed in the initial flames of a passionate relationship happens all to often. If the relationship was based primarily on passion and lust, and there's no attempt to form a more stable foundation, it burns out. My assertion is that it happens more often with relationships that start off 24/7 than those that build over time.

 

[EmpressFi]

Master is five years older than me, and that's perfect for me, really. For some reason, it seriously bothers me to date a guy who's younger than me. And that's just dating! I can't imagine subbing for one, ever.

I did the older thing. My first husband was 10 years older. That was disastrous.

My husband is 3 years younger and my Master is 8 years younger. Some Dom's, it doesn't really matter that they're younger, their presence is enough to keep you in the submissive frame of mind.

But I'm with Twysted... age is just a number, as long as you let it be.