Androgyny: Where do you fit on the Bem Sex Role Inventory Scale?

[Equinoxe]

Excellent point. It's only recently that I've taken to walking around in civilian clothes the same way I used to march on parade in uniform. The attitude that you project is the one that you assume, IMO, hence the principle that you can change someone's ideas by changing their behavior, not the other way around.

Exactly!

I guess you could say more masculine, but I never thought of myself as androgenous...

I always find how different people define androgynous to be fascinating.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I always find how different people define androgynous to be fascinating.

I have an anti-label thingie.
I'm just me.


Unless I'm Abs, then I'm surlier.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

The beauty of androgyny is that it encompasses the whole spectrum. On the face, I look like a very 'feminine' woman. Men and women have objectified me in my sexual her/his-tory. Yet, whenever I feel like it, and that can be anytime of day or night or any day of the week, I can be as 'masculine' as any man I've ever known or imagined. However, again, on the face of me, you would not know it unless I showed you. (winks)

 

[Equinoxe]

I have an anti-label thingie.
I'm just me.


Unless I'm Abs, then I'm surlier.

I have an anti-label streak as well. There is a quote from a book, of which I am inordinately fond, which expresses my feelings quite well: "They say of God, 'Names name thee not.' That holds good of me: no concept expresses me, nothing that is designated as my essence exhausts me; they are only names. Likewise they say of God that he is perfect and has no calling to strive after perfection. That too holds good of me alone."


I had a discussion on Lit once about how people define androgynous (specifically as it compared with being 'butch').

 

[ABSTRUSE]

The beauty of androgyny is that it encompasses the whole spectrum. On the face, I look like a very 'feminine' woman. Men and women have objectified me in my sexual her/his-tory. Yet, whenever I feel like it, and that can be anytime of day or night or any day of the week, I can be as 'masculine' as any man I've ever known or imagined. However, again, on the face of me, you would not know it unless I showed you. (winks)

Okay, show me.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I have an anti-label streak as well. There is a quote from a book, of which I am inordinately fond, which expresses my feelings quite well: "They say of God, 'Names name thee not.' That holds good of me: no concept expresses me, nothing that is designated as my essence exhausts me; they are only names. Likewise they say of God that he is perfect and has no calling to strive after perfection. That too holds good of me alone."


I had a discussion on Lit once about how people define androgynous (specifically as it compared with being 'butch').

I like that.


and yes, the whole butch thing is so misinterpreted.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

Okay, show me.

Mmmmm. I would absolutely love to show you. If you were a wee bit closer, I could do so in ways that would, I hope, , astound you (and me as well).

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Mmmmm. I would absolutely love to show you. If you were a wee bit closer, I could do so in ways that would, I hope, , astound you (and me as well).

Charmer. I thought you had a picture of you with a mustache.

 

[Equinoxe]

I like that.


and yes, the whole butch thing is so misinterpreted.

Excellent.


I think any concept of that nature is prone to being misinterpreted.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

I need to get me one of those pictures with a mustache.

Here's a lovely poem that I think nicely deals with the whole androgyne/intersex theme. I like it:

Hermaphrodite Longings
The centuries have changed. In these three thousand years
Even Andromeda, lying so still in her starry bed
Has altered her position a little, but this has not
Changed....Every man has memories of being a woman
And women know that they have been gods
At one time or another...Ardhanarishwara
Half woman god...You knew him...
Sappho in Indica, crossing boundaries
You were him.... Ardhanarishwara, enticingly chaste,
Lover of lovers, you were that divided god....
Peerless hermaphrodite, soft as woman's silk
Rough as the knuckles af a man...And you are
This lewd woman who bars my way...
You snatched my purse this afternoon
Admit it. You robbed me of my possessions
For which favours I owe you, Sappho...

Rukmini Bhaya Nair

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Excellent.


I think any concept of that nature is prone to being misinterpreted.

Being 'different' is always prone to such things. I like 'different' people, they are interesting.


Nice Poem LA.
I like this:Every man has memories of being a woman
And women know that they have been gods
At one time or another

 

[Equinoxe]

Being 'different' is always prone to such things. I like 'different' people, they are interesting.

Different people are interesting.

That said, I have expressed my despite for the butch-femme concept and do have a natural reflexive distrust of anyone who fits a stereotype.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Different people are interesting.

That said, I have expressed my despite for the butch-femme concept and do have a natural reflexive distrust of anyone who fits a stereotype.

I like your brain.

 

[Equinoxe]

I like your brain.

Why thank you!

I enjoy yours as well.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I can't stand people who behave like their stereotypes! If you're going to be a gay guy, be a professional ivory hunter, not a drag queen in an opera box.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I can't stand people who behave like their stereotypes! If you're going to be a gay guy, be a professional ivory hunter, not a drag queen in an opera box.

That's my dad you're talkin about!

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Why thank you!

I enjoy yours as well.

Mine is still growing.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That's my dad you're talkin about!

Which one?

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Which one?

that one............over there.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

that one............over there.

*raises nitro-express double rifle, cocks hammers* Fear not, fair lady, I have the beast in my sights!

 

[Equinoxe]

that one

I am reminded of a joke about deixis that I adore.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Did we threadjack enough yet?



So I started looking things up and came across this:

One of the most baffling phenomena concerning human gender disorders is androgyny, which is defined as being physically male and female in one. An androgyne is also referred to as a hermaphrodite. Many have mistakenly confused androgyny with bisexuality, which is a psychological condition.
Male and Female Androgyny

By Dr. Lee Warren, B.A., D.D. (c) 1999 PLIM REPORT, Vol. 8 #3

Huh?

 

[Equinoxe]

Did we threadjack enough yet?

You can never threadjack enough.

So I started looking things up and came across this:

One of the most baffling phenomena concerning human gender disorders is androgyny, which is defined as being physically male and female in one. An androgyne is also referred to as a hermaphrodite. Many have mistakenly confused androgyny with bisexuality, which is a psychological condition.
Male and Female Androgyny

By Dr. Lee Warren, B.A., D.D. (c) 1999 PLIM REPORT, Vol. 8 #3

Huh?

He's a Doctor of Divinity.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

You can never threadjack enough.



He's a Doctor of Divinity.

Damn your smart. I was amused by the article.

 

[Equinoxe]

I was amused by the article.

Oh, I can imagine.