Obama's speech on race

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Thanks for living up to my expectations....

You expect me to do your research for you?

Try looking up "Solid South" or "dixiecrats" and see just what happened to the conservative faction of the Democratic Party when the DNC supported a strong civil rights platform. It's the reason that the south is now considered a stronghold of the Republican party. It's also why Black voters, who overwhelmingly supported the Republican party until the 1930's, now backs the Democratic party by almost 90%.

 

[I_Cunt_Remember]

He's a wonderful speaker, indeed.

This won't go away though:

March 18, 2008

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."


March 14, 2008

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity"


March 14, 2008
" In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor."


Dreams of My Father, by Barack Hussein Obama

“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice. He’s much more of a sounding board for me..."

Hes a black power fuckin faggot

 

[phorn]

Hes a black power fuckin faggot

remind me to never debate politics on this board and cite this thread if i ever try.

I've never seen so much idiocy from both conservatives and liberals than i have right here.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

remind me to never debate politics on this board and cite this thread if i ever try.

I've never seen so much idiocy from both conservatives and liberals than i have right here.

You can start by not quoting the idiot troll alts.

 

[Saint Boner]

RebubliKKKlan?

Google Robert Byrd. He's a DemoKKKrat.

Bozo.

The republikkklans are making sure everyone becomes aware that Obama is BLACK and hates the whites. I love it and can't wait to hear y'all's shit starting about September. If there was ever going to be a race war you wingers will make it happen then. I don't think you people can get a grip enough to Stop from doing it if you wanted to.

 

[busybody..]

its Repoz that are doing it?

show me WHAT REPOH IS

 

[Faneros]

The republikkklans are making sure everyone becomes aware that Obama is BLACK and hates the whites. I love it and can't wait to hear y'all's shit starting about September. If there was ever going to be a race war you wingers will make it happen then. I don't think you people can get a grip enough to Stop from doing it if you wanted to.

It's Hillary AND O'bama throwing down the race card stupid; show me where republicans are playing the race card. This place gets dumber and dumber by the day.

 

[Saint Boner]

If Obama is the nominee you just watch what happens when KKKarl Rove gets wound up.

 

[miles]

Typical AM talk radio/Fox News talking point for morons. Everybody knows the KKK is conservative and votes Republican exclusiveley. Byrd is a liberal Democrat, and is not championed, endorsed, or promoted by the KKK. That would be conservative Republicans (i.e.. Trett Lott, Strom Thurman, Jesse Helms, etc.)

"Everybody knows." LMAO!

Byrd belonged to the KKK. That's a fact - something you obviously have great difficulty with. I doubt you even know what the KKK was.

Thurmond is dead. Helms has been out of office for at least five years. Last time I checked, Lott was resigning.

You're not too bright, are you?

 

[miles]

The republikkklans are making sure everyone becomes aware that Obama is BLACK and hates the whites. I love it and can't wait to hear y'all's shit starting about September. If there was ever going to be a race war you wingers will make it happen then. I don't think you people can get a grip enough to Stop from doing it if you wanted to.

"You people?"

Another extreme left-wing Jew hater.

 

[busybody..]

The republikkklans are making sure everyone becomes aware that Obama is BLACK and hates the whites. I love it and can't wait to hear y'all's shit starting about September. If there was ever going to be a race war you wingers will make it happen then. I don't think you people can get a grip enough to Stop from doing it if you wanted to.

its Repoz that are doing it?

show me WHAT REPOH IS

 

[busybody..]

The republikkklans are making sure everyone becomes aware that Obama is BLACK and hates the whites. I love it and can't wait to hear y'all's shit starting about September. If there was ever going to be a race war you wingers will make it happen then. I don't think you people can get a grip enough to Stop from doing it if you wanted to.

this sorta reminds me of THE MUTT

for several posts he screamed it was the REPOZ that used the NAME HUSSEIN

So I asked him to show me ONE Repoh using that name

he pretended to ignore me asking him for several posts

then I kept pressing, and he finally SCREAMED at me, saying that the REPOH that used the name HUSSEIN was ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a few days later I showed him that the FIRST "person" who introduced the name HUSSEIN into the discussion was BAM himself

when I asked THE MUTT what he had to say,

HE HUFFED AND PUFFED AND PUT ME ON IGNORE


SO I ask YOU

WHICH REPOH ARE YOU REFERING TO?

CANT NAME ANY I ASSUME

 

[Faneros]

"

You're not too bright, are you?

No, he's not

 

[busybody..]

He chose

POORLY

PAINFUL? IT'S HILARIOUS:

The audacity of rhetoric (Thomas Sowell, March 30, 2008, Washington Times)


It is painful to watch defenders of Sen. Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. [...]

Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."

These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets" — in Mr. Obama's own words — as well as the "more politically active black students." He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator.


Karl Rove had the audacity to hope Democrats would nominate a hard-left Cook County hack...and they did!

 

[busybody..]

is BAM still running?

 

[Saint Boner]

its Repoz that are doing it?

show me WHAT REPOH IS

I don't have to go any farther than You to start with. Any internet message board where the right wing spews. I visit several every day just to LOL. McCain will probably be smart enough to stay above it but the work Will be done, Nay, is being done.

You see, Dems doing it is kind of like a black calling a black, nigger. And the Hillary perverts will stop in June. Then right wing will CRANK IT UP.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

"Everybody knows." LMAO!

Byrd belonged to the KKK. That's a fact - something you obviously have great difficulty with. I doubt you even know what the KKK was.

Thurmond is dead. Helms has been out of office for at least five years. Last time I checked, Lott was resigning.

You're not too bright, are you?

Yes, Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth, Byrd was also a "Dixiecrat",a member of the southern and border state conservatives from before political realignment of the parties, a term you might want to enlighten Faneros about, after you read up on it a bit yourself..

He also renounced his segregationist ideas in order to remain active on the national level with the Democratic party. Otherwise he would have left the "Dixiecrats" to join the Republicans as Strom Thurmond did in 1964.

Strom Thurmond's death does not immediately erase all actions relating to the Republican party and the conservative movement. One cannot hail dead conservative leaders while ignoring the embarrassing ones. Jesse helms falls under the same category, 5 years is hardly "ancient history", especially considering you're bringing up actions from 40+ years ago.

You are right about Lott though, he resigned, to open a lobbying firm about a block from the White House. He wasn't forced into resignation for his views on homosexuality or his opposition to the civil rights act, the voting rights act, or his opposition to aforementioned Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. The obvious reason for his resignation was because of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which forbids lawmakers from lobbying for two years after leaving office. Those who leave by the end of 2007 are covered by the previous law, which demands a wait of only one year.

Lott's resignation became effective at 11:30 p.m. on December 18, 2007.

January 7, 2008 the opening of Lott's lobbying firm was announced.

Oh and miles,

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I don't have to go any farther than You to start with. Any internet message board where the right wing spews. I visit several every day just to LOL. McCain will probably be smart enough to stay above it but the work Will be done, Nay, is being done.

You see, Dems doing it is kind of like a black calling a black, nigger. And the Hillary perverts will stop in June. Then right wing will CRANK IT UP.

Dizzybooby isn't the only one by a long shot..

Tune into just about any right wing radio program at random, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Humphries. All spewing the same nonsense.. Obama is a Muslim (he's not).. His middle name is Hussein (so what?).. The terrorists want Obama to win ...because he's a Muslim.

 

[busybody..]

I don't have to go any farther than You to start with. Any internet message board where the right wing spews. I visit several every day just to LOL. McCain will probably be smart enough to stay above it but the work Will be done, Nay, is being done.

You see, Dems doing it is kind of like a black calling a black, nigger. And the Hillary perverts will stop in June. Then right wing will CRANK IT UP.

ahhh yes, THE MUTT defense

there are NO REPOZ

only

BUSYBODY

and you are so smart, you WILL KNOW THE FUTURE?

 

[busybody..]

Dizzybooby isn't the only one by a long shot..

Tune into just about any right wing radio program at random, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Humphries. All spewing the same nonsense.. Obama is a Muslim (he's not).. His middle name is Hussein (so what?).. The terrorists want Obama to win ...because he's a Muslim.

BAM is a MUSLIM

His middle name IS HUSSEIN

and the TERRORISTS do want him to win, they say so daily!

 

[busybody..]

ATTN: LIBZ, LLONZ, DUMOZ, RETARDS, DISEASED DICK DANGLERS, FEMINAZIS, KNEE GROWS, TERROR APPEASORS (aka) The usual DUMOH voter!


The first one with a good answer gets a special prize from me, BUSYBODY


If the middle name of Oh!Bama, HUSSEIN, doesnt mean anything

Why are you always so up in arms when its used????????????????

I await an answer

I assume I will get none

get to it

 

[busybody..]

I don't have to go any farther than You to start with. Any internet message board where the right wing spews. I visit several every day just to LOL. McCain will probably be smart enough to stay above it but the work Will be done, Nay, is being done.

You see, Dems doing it is kind of like a black calling a black, nigger. And the Hillary perverts will stop in June. Then right wing will CRANK IT UP.

every visit LEFTY message boards?

 

[busybody..]

Lies and more LIES by BAM

He sounds like the CLITS

ALL LIARS


Obama had greater role on liberal survey
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/31/08



But the questionnaires provide fodder to question BarackObama’s ideological consistency and electability.




During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion– positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he’s projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he “never saw or approved” the questionnaire.

They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who “unintentionally mischaracterize(d) his position.”

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago non-profit group that issued it. And it found that Obama – the day after sitting for the interview – filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes adding to one answer.


The two questionnaires, provided to Politico with assistance from political sources opposed to Obama’s presidential campaign, were later supplied directly from the group, Independent Voters of Illinois – Independent Precinct Organization. Obama and his then-campaign manager, who Obama’s campaign asserts filled out the questionnaires, were familiar with the group, its members and positions, since both were active in it before his 1996 state Senate run.

Through an aide, Obama, who won the group’s endorsement as well as the statehouse seat, did not dispute that the handwriting was his. But he contended it doesn’t prove he completed, approved – or even read – the latter questionnaire.

“Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires – a staffer did – and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now,” said Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama’s campaign, in an emailed statement. “He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire at the meeting, but that doesn't change the fact that some answers didn't reflect his views. His eleven years in public office do.”

But the questionnaires provide fodder to question Obama’s ideological consistency and electability. Those questions are central to efforts by Obama’s presidential rival Hillary Clinton to woo the superdelegates whose votes represent her best chance to wrest the Democratic nomination from Obama.

Taken together – and combined with later policy pronouncements – the two 1996 questionnaires paint a picture of an inexperienced Obama still trying to feel his way around major political issues and less constrained by the nuance that now frames his positions on sensitive issues.

Consider the question of whether minors should be required to get parental consent – or at least notify their parents – before having abortion.

The first version of Obama’s questionnaire responds with a simple “No.”

The amended version, though, answers less stridently: “Depends on how young – possibly for extremely young teens, i.e. 12 or 13 year olds.”

By 2004, when his campaign filled out a similar questionnaire for the IVI–IPO during his campaign for U.S. Senate, the answer to a similar question contained still more nuance, but also more precision. “I would oppose any legislation that does not include a bypass provision for minors who have been victims of, or have reason to fear, physical or sexual abuse,” he wrote.

The evolution continued at least through late last year, when his campaign filled out a questionnaire for a non-partisan reproductive health group that answered a similar question with even more nuance.

“As a parent, Obama believes that young women, if they become pregnant, should talk to their parents before considering an abortion. But he realizes not all girls can turn to their mother or father in times of trouble, and in those instances, we should want these girls to seek the advice of trusted adults - an aunt, a grandmother, a pastor,” his campaign wrote to RH Reality Check.

 

[busybody..]

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“Unfortunately, instead of encouraging pregnant teens to seek the advice of adults, most parental consent bills that come before Congress or state legislatures criminalize adults who attempt to help a young woman in need and lack judicial bypass and other provisions that would permit exceptions in compelling cases.”

Both versions of the 1996 questionnaires provide answers his presidential campaign disavows to questions about whether Obama supports capital punishment and state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.”

He responded simply “No” and “Yes,” respectively, to those questions on both questionnaires.

But a fact sheet provided by his campaign flatly denies Obama ever held those views, asserting he “consistently supported the death penalty for certain crimes, but backed a moratorium until problems were fixed.” And it points out that as a state senator, he led an effort to reform Illinois’ death penalty laws.

On guns, the fact sheet says he “has consistently supported common sense gun control, as well as the rights of law-abiding gun owners.”

After Politico’s story on the first questionnaire, Clinton aides seized on the handgun-ban answer in particular, which a campaign press release asserted called into question Obama’s electability.

That was a curious argument to make in a Democratic primary. But Republicans will certainly seek to make it in the general election if Obama is the Democratic standard-bearer against the presumptive GOP nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.

It could also provide ammunition for a line of attack quietly peddled for some time by Republicans. They allege Obama has a penchant for blaming his staff for gaffes ranging from missing a union event in New Hampshire to circulating opposition research highlighting the Clintons’ ties to India and Indian-Americans to underestimating the amount of cash bundled for his campaigns by his former fundraiser, indicted businessman Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

And the questionnaires play into storylines pushed by both Republicans and Clinton suggesting Obama has altered his views to appeal to differing audiences.

That suggestion is galling to many members of IVI-IPO, some of whom have relationships with Obama that date back nearly 15 years. The group had endorsed Obama in every race he’d run – including his failed long-shot 2000 primary challenge to U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) – until now.

The group’s 37-member board of directors, meeting last year soon after Obama distanced himself from the first questionnaire, stalemated in its vote over an endorsement in the Democratic presidential primary. Forty percent supported Obama, 40 percent sided with Clinton and 20 percent voted for other candidates or not to endorse.

“One big issue was: Does he or does he not believe the stuff he told us in 1996?” said Aviva Patt, who has been involved with IVI-IPO since 1990 and is now the group’s treasurer. She volunteered for Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign, but voted to endorse the since-aborted presidential campaign of Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and professed disappointment over Obama’s retreat from ownership of the questionnaire.

“I always believed those to be his views,” she said, adding some members of the board argued Obama’s 1996 answers were “what he really believes in and he’s tailoring it now to make himself more palatable as a nationwide candidate.”

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[busybody..]

It’s more benign than that, contended fellow board member Lois Dobry, who voted to endorse Obama last year and hosted the 1996 interview session at her home.

That “was a long time ago,” she said. “And anybody who hasn’t refined their ideas over that period of time … is not anybody I’m interested in,” she said. Dobry asserted Obama’s views have evolved mostly at the margins and that he’s still the same person she met in the 1990s.

“He always was right from the start very, very clear on where he was coming from on most issues,” she said, “and he certainly wasn’t letting anybody else decide that for him.”

Dobry, Patt and current IVI-IPO state chairman David K. Igasaki, a Clinton supporter, agreed Obama likely didn’t write every word of his campaign’s 1996 answers. But they all dismissed as unbelievable his presidential campaign’s assertion that Obama never saw or signed off on the state Senate questionnaires.

Campaigns are routinely bombarded with all manner of questionnaires from advocacy groups of every stripe, so it’s not uncommon to have staffers fill them out in candidates’ names. But usually there’s some process by which the answers are vetted to insure consistency with the candidates’ views.

And there were plenty of reasons to believe that occurred in the case of Obama’s 1996 IVI-IPO questionnaire.

The group was very influential in Obama’s South Side district. It also was a leader on government reform issues, which Obama has made a centerpiece of his political persona.

He and his campaign manager, Carol Harwell, both were active with IVI-IPO prior to his candidacy, and had once helped interview candidates seeking the group’s endorsement, according to Igasaki.

Dobry called Harwell “an extremely experienced person, also someone highly familiar with IVI. And she would know perfectly well that the candidate would have to answer questions based on these answers and to suddenly have the candidate discover that somebody else had written answers that they were in no way in agreement with would be pretty embarrassing, right?”

Harwell, a veteran Democratic operative who got her start working for the late Chicago Mayor Harold Washington in the 1980s and now works for Cook County Clerk David Orr, last year told Politico she filled out the first questionnaire.

But she did not return several telephone messages asking about the second questionnaire and the handwritten notes on it.

They appear under a question asking candidates to “list all endorsements you have received so far.” In typed text that matches that of the rest of the answers, both of Obama’s questionnaires list four local Democratic organizations and two aldermen. But the latter questionnaire adds to that with hand-written notes listing another 10 endorsements, including an Illinois seniors group, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, Sierra Club, IBEW and unions representing nurses and firefighters.

Igasaki said Obama was shoo-in for the IVI-IPO endorsement, but that it was important to have a strong showing because “our chapter basically was his field operation. … Those people were already working for him and it was important for him to identify with us.”

Patt, though, conceded the inevitability of the group’s endorsement could have led Harwell to be “less than 100 percent careful” in filling out the questionnaire “because it probably didn’t matter that much at the time. It’s only in the context that it’s now found that has much greater importance than anyone could have imagined it would back in 1996.”