'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[SweetGigi]

I know there are several individuals here who have expressed interest, in varying forms, in bestiality and zoophilia. I am just curious as to how far and to what degree those of you interested are willing to go. Are they just fantasies or would you like them to become reality at some point? What lengths will you go to to fulfill these fantasies? If you are willing or able, please feel free to share any stories you have- the pros, cons, the good, bad and ugly.

Dive in kiddos.

 

[IsabellaKing]

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[TeachMeSir]

Kittens

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[catalina_francisco]

LOL, based on past experiences of this topic in this forum, I would suspect you are not going to get any revelations and admissions of anything too meaty from most of those who have ventured in such directions. Never know though, given we have a lot of masochists, perhaps some will reveal their dark secrets for the expected payoff.

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[SweetGigi]

*sniggers* I'm not necessarily looking for meaty morsels here... just thoughts and opinions really. I would never want to out anyone or make someone feel uncomfortable in any way, ya know?

 

[twysted73]

* strips down to nada and wades in buck * (no pun intended)

It's intreaguing. It's appealing. It's primal and in some states, illegle.

It's a line that some aren't mentally arranged to cross. Like those who are foot fetishists or scat players, blood players or tens fans. Perhaps even breath play fans.
There is something inherently taboo and "wrong" about it.

"And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:16)

Hmm..even the Bible sayeth "nay unto thee".
But then why is it so hot?
We've all (or most of us) have been privy to some clip or two on the subject.
Having the open mind that I do I looked into groups and "How To" sites devoted to the safe and sanitary practices.
I've read the thoughts of those who oppose it stating it to be a form of abuse to the animal on the grounds that the animal has not the freedom of choice.
(though a friend of mine has a dog who choses to assault the legs of almost every guest she has over)

It has a morality issue to be sure. But so does anything non-traditional. (or anything else we D/s'ers try)
So having placed it into that context it then falls to the individual's choice since it becomes a kink like any other. Something for some but not all.

- Wiki sez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestiality#Health_and_safety
It's the "hustler secreted under our comic book pile in the closet".
It casts all our previous canine interractions into persepective including those of our own beloved Lassie from childhood which gives some the pre-pubescant ick-factor.

However, as with most kink expressed here, it is a matter of one's own preference. One of the few things left in this lifestyle that people still only whisper to one another about in dark corners off to the side.
"Piss on her and order her to drink it? Sure if she enjoys it! Whip her till she bleeds and then brand her? Hell yeah if she gets off on it! Have her orally service the family pet? Whaoh! What? Hell no!"
But then they think about it....
It's human nature.
And I believe it's a line that, as I mentioned before, some are mentally geared to cross while others are restricted to the sidelines only, if even in the arena to begin with.

It has profound subjugation potential. Dehumanizing at a sub-human level. The suffering with a side order of mental scars to be carried on with them so long as they wish them to be there.
Eating from the dog bowl being a prequal to having intercourse with the thing that owns the dog bowl. Now THAT is demoralizing!
It's delightful. It's deliciously evil.
It's a means to an end.

I have spoken with a few regulars here who have vested interests and curiousities.
I applaud them as they peek from the shadows at what makes them wet.
Because they ARE peeking. And it's that courage that I admire in them most and not necessarily the activity per se`.

*shrugs*



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[FurryFury]

For me it would take a Dom I loved and respected who was into it and a more than willing animal.

About a cat's tongue and for that matter fur. My cat licks me usually only on my arm or hand frequently. I tell her no but she has a tendency to do that. I think they find us salty. Anyway, I secretly love that velvet sand paper feeling.

I don't know how much sex my cat got before being fixed but she seems way too interested in what my husband and I are doing sexually. She has ridden his back while he was fucking. She has grabbed my nipple and bitten it while he was playing with them. She's a funny cat.

 

[IsabellaKing]

I don't know how much sex my cat got before being fixed but she seems way too interested in what my husband and I are doing sexually. She has ridden his back while he was fucking. She has grabbed my nipple and bitten it while he was playing with them. She's a funny cat.

Isn't that illegal?

 

[FurryFury]

Isn't that illegal?

Hell no! My cat won't go! To jail that is. LOL!

 

[twysted73]

Hell no! My cat won't go! To jail that is. LOL!

Very cool cat.
I imagine it to be jet black in coloring for some reason.

 

[SweetGigi]

I suppose I just don't get the social stigmas sometimes. Like Twyst said, in our lifestyle, its ok to shat and piss on a person, but to copulate with another creature is gross? Where is the true logic in that?

 

[HottieMama]

I suppose I just don't get the social stigmas sometimes. Like Twyst said, in our lifestyle, its ok to shat and piss on a person, but to copulate with another creature is gross? Where is the true logic in that?

It's "gross" to me because IMO an animal cannot truly give consent. It violates a lot of what this community stands for, again IMO.

 

[JamieB]

It's "gross" to me because IMO an animal cannot truly give consent.

You could argue this. An animal can't vocalize consent, but if you smear peanut butter on your pink parts and the animal comes over and removes it orally, that's sort of like implied consent. Certainly there's no coercion.

Not advocating or defending here...just philosophizing I guess.

J

 

[SweetGigi]

You could argue this. An animal can't vocalize consent, but if you smear peanut butter on your pink parts and the animal comes over and removes it orally, that's sort of like implied consent. Certainly there's no coercion.

Not advocating or defending here...just philosophizing I guess.

J

Thank you, I was about to say something to the same effect here.

I'm not trying to start a throw down here... I'm just trying to gain some insight.

Consent is a human concept. So does that idea still apply if the subject in question has no concept of it by it's own nature?

 

[catalina_francisco]

You could argue this. An animal can't vocalize consent, but if you smear peanut butter on your pink parts and the animal comes over and removes it orally, that's sort of like implied consent. Certainly there's no coercion.

Not advocating or defending here...just philosophizing I guess.

J

If you want the opinion of many on this, they will still claim there is not valid consent, even if the said animal instigated sexual contact and more, and even if all without the amusing effort of applying various food stuffs to try and entice the unsuspecting animal to its fate. Of course a lot of the argument also comes down to people viewing their animals as their children and their dislike of the idea they would have sex with their child, anyone's child. Then there is the argument it could be harmful to the animal which has been the foundation of many legal charges where there is no concrete laws against bestiality, such as many states in the US where it theoretically is not illegal, but can be charged through animal cruelty laws.

Of course, given the push of the extreme right, it is not likely to change anytime soon, and has brought about the ruling in The Netherlands last week that it is now illegal here. LOL, I am not sure the government is going to feel they made a good choice when they begin losing the huge revenue they must have been reaping from the porn industry which was heavily NL dominated in terms of beastie type porn DVD/video production and online sites.

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[catalina_francisco]

I suppose I just don't get the social stigmas sometimes. Like Twyst said, in our lifestyle, its ok to shat and piss on a person, but to copulate with another creature is gross? Where is the true logic in that?

LOL, not to mention you can throw up in another person's mouth, make them lick their own vomit from the floor, lick out a toilet, lick someone's shitty butt clean, eat shit, lick a floor clean, pierce and cut off things that many would cringe at the thought of cutting off or mutilating, and it is all OK, but be a zoophile or someone who engages in bestial behaviour and it is gross and unmentionable. Humans are strange creatures, beats me why any animal would even want to lower themselves to jumping our bones.

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[Xelebes]

I suppose I just don't get the social stigmas sometimes. Like Twyst said, in our lifestyle, its ok to shat and piss on a person, but to copulate with another creature is gross? Where is the true logic in that?

Potential for disease, primarily. While it is possible to abate the toxins in urine and feces, the fear of disease from copulating with an animal is always a good instinctive fear. Doesn't mean we can't forgo that fear and possibly try it out but on many people's mind it is a fear.

Anyways, I have watched some beastie porn, have managed to wank off to it. Sometimes get a guilt trip on the fear associated with watching it. But that's it.

 

[FurryFury]

Very cool cat.
I imagine it to be jet black in coloring for some reason.

I love black cats but mine looks more like this:

http://www.kispiox.com/thecatandi/images/cat3.jpg

She is my heart and my handle here is really all about her.

 

[00Syd]

I've been sort of avoiding this thread because I know I'm probably going to get some heat for this, but...

I'm a big carnivore and it takes some SERIOUS convincing for me to look at animals as anything than, well, animals. So the consent thing is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I agree that consent is a human concept, and so it does not apply to animals, and trying to make it apply to animals is as stupid as talking to a dog like it understands and treating it like a human (no offense all you dog-lovers).

To me, bestiality is disgusting because its an animal. We are human, so we have sex with humans, not other species. It just seems wrong, unnatural, and disgusting to me on a base level. (Someone is going to compare that to homophobia, right?)

I'm all for everyone doing their own thing, and if someone wants to fuck a horse, okay, I'll just politely avert my eyes.

 

[WriterDom]

It's intreaguing. It's appealing. It's primal and in some states, illegle.

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In what state is it legal?

 

[FurryFury]

Humans are animals IMO.

I sort of object to calling sex "making love" regardless cause it sounds so grandioise, time comsuming and not what I'm into at all. I prefer to fuck. I'm an animal that way.

I've looked at some beastiality sites and I've found some that seem awfully strange to me and some that were interesting.

One of the strangest to me personally was some guy fisting a horse and calling it making love. I mean, really, did you bring her flowers? Did you massage her first? Did you play romantic music? No? I didn't think so.

LMAO!

Diseases sometimes but rarely cross species. That is the reason why I discourage my mouthy cat from licking me.

 

[BiBunny]

I've really no opinion one way or the other about the consent and bestiality issue. I will say that I've spent my entire life around horses, and a horny stallion will just as soon hump his water bucket or a round bale of hay if it happens to tickle his fancy that day. They're not all this way, but some of them are. I do think the tendency to anthropomorphize animals is where the "oh, that poor dog/cat/sheep/goat/horse" thing comes from.

That being said, bestiality as a kink doesn't interest me at all. I don't find it disgusting, rather kind of boring. I can think of way more fun things than that.

 

[Homburg]

Not my thing. I'm one of those people that considers a consent issue to be a core problem here. A smart dog and a baby starting to walk have comparable levels of cognition. Can the baby give consent?

That said, as Bibunny said, some animals are rather enthusiastic about. That would mitigate that whole consent issue.

Either way, not my thing.

Note: Some forms of beastiality are actively harmful for the animal. The old saw about sheep farmers comes to mind. A male human of normal length has a good chance of rupturing an ewe's vaginal cavity. This generally results in having to put the animal down.

 

[FurryFury]

One should not harm animals in my book. That could help explain why I'm a veggie too.

LOL!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Actually, on the intelligence and cognitive level argument, research is proving that dogs, particular birds, dolfins, some apes are all capable of cognitive thinking on a much higher level than previously thought, and far above the level of a baby or child. Seems the old reference to dumb animals is making more fool of the humans who thought they were incapable of anything but the most basic thought processe if that. Of course many of us who have had animals all our lives and watched them think and behave have known they were not dumb animals and had cognitive ability beyond what was supposed, but science in its usual way could not accept it until, they devised a way to prove it beyond doubt.

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